Gabe Davis is a 2023 Captain...let the board erupt!

[PBF81]

20 hours ago, Success said:

Gabe is going to quite a few critics this season, imo.  

 

 

And then a lot of people are going to be saying we should have extended him while he was less expensive.  

 

I don't see how he'll stay on the team if he has the big season that we're expecting.  

 

 

[Utah John]

All these captains are talented, dedicated, hard-working, elite or near-elite.  The Bills are trying to promote a core group of leaders to solidify the roster's will to fight.  I think this goes back to the playoff loss to the Bengals, where for whatever reason the team came out flat and never recovered.  The brass is trying various things to keep the team motivated through the postseason.

 

The risk is that factions will coalesce around various players, and instead of unifying the team, there could be pockets of guys talking only to each other. 

 

I hope this works out and the team stays completely unified, while each captain seeks out and destroys slackerhood and defeatism.

[AuntieEm]

7 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

 

Yeah, they were all banging on the door willing to sign for the minimum 

 

They didn't this fa period but there are alot of young talented qbs in the league now that are intriguing  to talented  wrs.  As Josh does pull away from the pack to cement his skills as superior (I believe he will prove he's the best) more and more of the top guys looking to have a chance at a ring will be giving the Bills a lot of consideration.  Not every top wr will be open to taking a lower paying contract but there will be those that will trade  salary for opportunity for Lombardi.  Then you got some players that only want to play for their favorite teams they grew up cheering for.  I expect we will see more vet signings with Bills because they are a top contender.  I prefer some vets that want the ring but firmly believe they are a missing piece to a talented contender rather than the vet who wants a ring and doesn't need to feel he contributed in any big way.  Like shady McCoy ended up with 2 Rings but in either case do any of us feel he earned them by his stellar playing during those winning teams sb seasons?  I certainly don't think he was a f a coordinator in either of his sb winning seasons, other than being on those teams rosters.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 hours ago, Success said:

Gabe is going to quite a few critics this season, imo.  

 

What will he do when he reaches them? 

[The Wiz]

The best time of year right now, extension season. Between the end of preseason and the start of regular.

 

You gotta thing beane and his agent have been talking for sure.

 

If it doesn't happen now I don't think it's going to and he's gone.

Edited August 31, 2023 by The Wiz

[Thrivefourfive]

Hate it. Manufactured and looks desperate. 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

I think he hasn't been a captain since 2020, maybe I'm off a year.

 

Difficult to argue with the list, and think it's strictly player-voted.

 

But yeah to your point, Dion is definitely a team leader/great teammate from various reports.  Nice to have a group of young/vet leaders, pretty good balance on both sides of the ball.  Another reason I like the Kirksey signing too, he's another leader-type that should help.

Maybe they’re letting Dion know.  Holding him accountable.  Lose some weight fatty.  Get in better shape.  Work harder.  Like Gabe.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

What will he do when he reaches them? 

Prove ‘em wrong!!

 

 

sorry, I couldn’t resist.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

59 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Prove ‘em wrong!!

 

 

sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Well then it all makes sense!!

[machine gun kelly]

The players can vote for whoever they believe are their leaders.  McD doesn’t hand pick them.  It’s the way the locker room is supposed to be.

[Bubba Gump]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:27 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

QB Josh Allen

WR Stefon Diggs 

WR Gabe Davis

C Mitch Morse 

S Jordan Poyer 

S Micah Hyde 

LB Von Miller 

LB Tyler Matakevich

 

Bad ass Tyler Bass should be on that list. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Diggs said he worked with a personal trainer this summer, so hopefully he chiseled up his physique more than last year. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:27 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

QB Josh Allen

WR Stefon Diggs 

WR Gabe Davis

C Mitch Morse 

S Jordan Poyer 

S Micah Hyde 

LB Von Miller 

LB Tyler Matakevich

So what are the Captain’s duties during a game and/or practice? I’m genuinely asking. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:20 PM, Success said:

Gabe is going to quite a few critics this season, imo.  

 

I don’t think so. Saw the same guy vs Chicago in preseason. He’s not very good overall. He’ll get numbers because he plays with Josh Allen in a heavy passing offense.

[John from Riverside]

Do they get extra free wings for having that Captain status?

[LabattBlue]

19 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

why does the board need to erupt over this?

Just eball’s way to whine about anyone who says anything negative about the Bills. 😉

[BADOLBILZ]

21 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

why does the board need to erupt over this?

 

 

 

Because @eball has a terrible track record of brutally bad takes stretching from the drought to today............so in an attempt to offset that he creates totally false narratives so that he can shout them down and look like a voice of reason.     That's @eball as a straw man.

 

It's just another version of a bad take by him but it fools those who think that someone has actually been banging the drum against the idea that Gabe Davis liked by his teammates.

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think so. Saw the same guy vs Chicago in preseason. He’s not very good overall. He’ll get numbers because he plays with Josh Allen in a heavy passing offense.

 

 

In fairness....... @Success said "quite"(quiet I believe he meant) "a few" of his critics.   

 

Gabe could rise to 150th in catch % and still have a passer rating that's way below Josh Allen's average(like a 90) with only 8% drops and still be largely the same player.........but those would all be improvements.........so that might quiet "a few" critics even if he just keeps looking like he has pretty much since his rookie season and doesn't have that break-out season.

 

Success would have to be more specific about what he expects..........he's left it exceptionally vague intentionally, I believe.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

A couple of points about Gabe's catch percentage.

 

Its not like Gabe plays in a short precision, timing passing WC offense like Reid and Mahomes with tons of YAC.

 

Gabe plays in a different deep ball EP system where routes are typically 40-45 yard deep outs to him.  He's playing the Z position where Diggs is playing the X position.

 

On top of that, as it gets colder its much tougher to catch longer passes in 8 degree buffalo weather, frozen field where the ball is hard as a rock.

 

Would Gabe flourish in miami or san fran for example that has the WC system in warm weather on natural grass ?  Tough to say.

 

My point is catch percentage in our system/weather is not an apples to apples comparison to a warm weather WC system.

[Warcodered]

 

[Chicken Boo]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:41 PM, Virgil said:

This is going to sound terrible, but I'm so afraid of him going off this year since he's due for a new contract.  

 

The guys who find a way to finally put it all together in the last year drives me nuts

 

I'm more worried about him being extended, mid-season, before he proves himself worthy of such.  

[Fr. Jerk]

He needs a cool touchdown dance, ya dig?

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Fr. Jerk said:

He needs a cool touchdown dance, ya dig?

I actually like his connor mcgregor swagger walk.

 

[Fr. Jerk]

Oh snap! I forgot about that.

 

But its actually the Vince McMahon strut. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Fr. Jerk

[The Wiz]

14 minutes ago, Fr. Jerk said:

Oh snap! I forgot about that.

 

But its actually the Vince McMahon strut. 

I dunno, looks more like mcgregor to me.  Either way, it's a good one.

 

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

A couple of points about Gabe's catch percentage.

 

Its not like Gabe plays in a short precision, timing passing WC offense like Reid and Mahomes with tons of YAC.

 

Gabe plays in a different deep ball EP system where routes are typically 40-45 yard deep outs to him.  He's playing the Z position where Diggs is playing the X position.

 

On top of that, as it gets colder its much tougher to catch longer passes in 8 degree buffalo weather, frozen field where the ball is hard as a rock.

 

Would Gabe flourish in miami or san fran for example that has the WC system in warm weather on natural grass ?  Tough to say.

 

My point is catch percentage in our system/weather is not an apples to apples comparison to a warm weather WC system.

It's 2023... There is a huge difference between verbiage systems and schemes now

 

For all intensive purposes, since you compared the EP and WC...  Today they are verbiage systems ... Aka how you get the play in ... Not necessarily the type of play 

 

"South Right Clamp Fake 67 Slant Naked Right Zebra Slide Can 67 Slant"

 

That could be a call in the West Coast... Very wordsy 

 

The same call in EP offense could be ...

 

F Right 72 Ghost/Tosser... Simpler and easier to get out 

 

Every single play has been run.. it's 2023 football is well over 100 years old

 

You can run a west coast zone run scheme  with an EP system ... 

 

Sure there is a west coast scheme but when you compare it to EP, you are comparing verbiage systems , only 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I dunno, looks more like mcgregor to me.  Either way, it's a good one.

 

Definitely the Vince strut 

 

He's been doing it since Connor was in diapers

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Its not like Gabe plays in a short precision, timing passing WC offense

 

Well he would be terrible in that kind of offense. We have seen that when he is targeted on slants, curls, and digs - the sorts of plays you're talking about - he is below average as a separator.

 

He also struggles to catch the ball in those situations where there's any kind of traffic around him.

 

His usage isn't a function of the offense, it's a function of the player.

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by HappyDays

[Dr.Sack]

Nothing running with being a deep route runner, as long as you like running. 

[Virgil]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'm more worried about him being extended, mid-season, before he proves himself worthy of such.  

If they can extend him now for less than 15 mil, I think I’m all for it 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well he would be terrible in that kind of offense. We have seen that when he is targeted on slants, curls, and digs - the sorts of plays you're talking about - he is below average as a separator.

 

He also struggles to catch the ball in those situations where there's any kind of traffic around him.

 

His usage isn't a function of the offense, it's a function of the player.

 

 

 

Yeah @JakeFrommStateFarm.............c'mon dude...........you are here all the time you haven't seen all of these graphics about Davis' extreme variance between his strengths and weaknesses?

 

The Bills had an excellent short passing game in 2020 when Cole Beasley was the clear cut WR2 and an All Pro as a slot receiver........and they had a good short game in 2021 despite Beasley's drop-off.

 

And even then Davis was just a 56% catch guy over those two seasons.

 

His efficiency dropped more in 2022 because he moved up the pecking order and it's hard to find 6 good targets per game for him with his limitations.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[FilthyBeast]

I don't see anything wrong with this. Just hope Terry Pegula shuts down any idea of prematurely extending Davis and let things play out this year with him because still not sure what he really is and he's another player on a long list in which injuries are an annual issue.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

I don't see anything wrong with this. Just hope Terry Pegula shuts down any idea of prematurely extending Davis and let things play out this year with him because still not sure what he really is and he's another player on a long list in which injuries are an annual issue.

Well now we know @FilthyBeast wants to sign him to the Chiefs once the season is over.

[pi2000]

Career year upcoming.

 

Kincaid will free up Davis downfield.

[Southern_Bills]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:16 PM, 4merper4mer said:

Luckily that patch is sewn to jersey or else he’d drop it.  So sayeth the football gurus on this site.

 

Regardless if I agree, this is funny

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, pi2000 said:

Career year upcoming.

 

Kincaid will free up Davis downfield.

 

 

Even the most skeptical of Davis' critics would have to agree that he should have a career year regardless of whether Kincaid breaks out like we hope or not.

 

Because Gabe only just became a starter for the first time last season.........and I'm not sure he can do worse than 10% drops and only 50% catches.   

[maddenboy]

On 8/31/2023 at 4:46 PM, Thrivefourfive said:

Hate it. Manufactured and looks desperate. 

when was the last time we had a non-QB rookie be named / voted a Captain?

 

because that's when you know Captain is an earned honor on that team.  And also that you have drafted quite well.  Your team is full of mature men who give credit where its due.

 

otherwise, if its just a popularity contest or coach-driven, or a gift to the media who have nothing else to cover for 2 weeks of dead time, then fans like us / me will wonder "what's really goin on?  and why should i care?"

[maddenboy]

12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'm more worried about him being extended, mid-season, before he proves himself worthy of such.  

if he is extended but hasnt proven much, I'd suspect he gambled on himself preseason, saw he was losing that bet, and approached the team to see what he could get.

 

so, since we do (apparently, according to well reasoned opinions about him in our system) have use for him, i'd be happy.  because it would mean it was not a top-dollar deal, for somebody we were gonna keep in 2024 almost no matter what.

[Chicken Boo]

17 hours ago, Virgil said:

If they can extend him now for less than 15 mil, I think I’m all for it 

 

I was going to complain about the number, but looked up receiver contracts. 

 

Kind of wild, you only have to be serviceable to earn 8 figures at the position.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Gabe talking the next step is critical in the Bills success 

[Bills!Win!]

What happens if all 8 captains get injured?