Why is Tyrod Taylor not more revered in the Bills fan base?

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I sometimes wonder why people bring up Tyrod. People must like reading posts about how he was average. I know you can't have loved his time in Buffalo that much. 

 

Now we have more Dynamic versions of him around to say he was the broke mans Lamar Jackson. 

 

He was alright until he wasn't. It was cool at first, you hope for the guy then you get bored with how he plays. I'm glad he got a shot and did decent but after while it was time to move on. 

 

I've seen back ups come along and have a nice little run to the point people talk about them being the starter. Then they fizzle out for one reason or another. 

 

You can't be a hater if your not thinking about or talking about Tyrod. It's not hard to understand he was not that memorable. I've seen a backup win the Superbowl and the fans probably don't give him the love that some of you feel for Tyrod. 

 

He had some haters at the end of his run but that was more people hating on when people still talking about him being good making excuses for him. 

 

Yeah it does kinda seem like he is brought up a bit more than other QBs from the past. Maybe some haven't moved on yet for some reason

[Doc]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Not true. He is listed as 7-6 on his player page for 2015, and if you scroll down on the second link, you'll see that while the Bills went 8-8, he is listed as having won 7 games and Cassell 1 game. All of the Bills 8 victories were ones in which Taylor was the starter. Hence he was 23-20, as I said.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2015.htm

 

Weird because on the 2015 gamebook page, they had him starting that first game and having an overall 8-6 record.

[Yawning Frog]

this thread is so dumb.  

[Maine-iac]

We haven't even won a SB with Allen and people complain.  Taylor never had a chance.  He wasn't a first round pick, he wasn't ever invested in to be a franchise QB, and by his final season (the playoff year) the plan was already in stone to draft a QB.  When Watkins and Woods were healthy (which wasn't often especially together) Taylor was good passer.  He was always a great runner and for a defensive team he did not turn the ball over.  Problem was our defense didn't show up time and time again his first few seasons starting and the final season we were mortgaging everything for our next QB and Taylor was throwing to Deonte Thompson and Zay Jones (and people complain about Davis).  Taylor was never as good as Allen would become and I'm happy we moved on but I'll be the first on to say if Watkins hadn't been a bust and we had a defense Taylor would have seen the playoffs several times.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

he could be entertaining...

 

 

 

[Spiderweb]

22 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Taylor has a 5.7 yards per carry career stat line (same as Allen.)Cam Newton averages 5 even. Vick is 7. So I think that puts him on that list. 

No one is questioning his running ability. It was his pitiful passing that we all recall and he was barely a single-threat at best anyway.

[ddaryl]

[Just in Atlanta]

Got us over the hump but, as many here have said, he was even more cautious and risk averse than Trent Edwards. 

The Cleveland Browns played him in only a few games the next year. 

 

I'm sure most fans remember him fondly for the first playoff berth but, yes, he was frustrating to watch, particularly in that Jags game. 

 

Having said that, we should've kept him one more year. The idea of Nate Peterman being a bridge clearly blew up in our faces. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

57 minutes ago, Yawning Frog said:

this thread is so dumb.  

What do u want me to say? lol Then visit another thread. 

[Patrick Duffy]

41 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

he could be entertaining...

 

 

 

 

Lol, I recall vividly that very play so much that out of all the MANY times back then I would shake my head in disgust yelling WTF, this however is one that I recall specifically for some reason 

[White Linen]

Revered? 

[Shaw66]

Why isn't he more revered?  Well, us old guys remember Joe Ferguson, and Joe was the real deal.  Tyrod wishes he could play like Joe.  

[DC Grid]

23 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I never ever understood the hate for Tyrod Taylor. He was a dynamic athlete that defenses had to properly game plan against and played a big role in breaking the 17 year drought. I think he is one of the better dual threats of all time and it’s cool seeing the contrast between TT and Allen as runners. Why is he not a bigger part of Bills’ lore? He got done what a **** load of previous QBs couldn’t. It’s not like Losman, Bledsoe, or Fitz didn’t have good defenses too. So I really don’t wanna hear how the defense alone propelled us there. It was also Tyrod’s legs and low turnover rate + big play ability as well. 

 Because he was a more athletic Trent Edwards when it came to his inability to take risks.  The guy could run, and he could throw it deep, but he needed guys to be college level open on 10-15 yard out routs to even consider throwing it.  He didn’t work midrange over the middle so he became really easy to figure out.  Play your safeties back and play contain and he’ll just throw it away or throw it too short.  He was the king of throwing it to the flat on 3rd and long.  
 

Sadly he was still a better QB than Losman, and he could’ve been better than Fitz or the Bills Era Bledsoe, IF he had any guts at all.  But he learned behind Flacco to never take a risk and only make the throws you can guarantee will be complete, and without flaccos rocket arm, that meant not a ton of throws.  It’s also part of why Flacco fell off a cliff himself because the second he lost a few MPH on his fastball he became too scared to play.  
 

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by DC Grid
Typos

[FITZamishRIFLE]

Tyrol was special because it was at the time when you could truly see a light at the end of the tunnel.   3rd best QB since JK12

[BigAl2526]

Taylor had a useful skill set.  I didn't hate him.  However, I thought his ceiling was not high enough to enable the Bills to ever be a serious threat to do anything in the playoffs, or perhaps even to make the playoffs.  For that reason, I was never opposed to getting rid of him if the Bills could find a QB with a higher ceiling.    Fortunately, they did.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

20 hours ago, QB Bills said:

The fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick is revered here and Tyrod Taylor isn't should answer this question for you. Not very complicated.

Yes. One is black and one is white.

[harmonkillebrew]

T was great. Beautiful deep ball, exciting runner. He's easily in the top echelon from the past 20 years.

Fitz gets more love b/c he gives it back. I don't think Tryod has expressed his love for B-lo in the same way.

But T is way over Losman, EJ Manuel, Captain check-down and other duds from the 17 years of futility

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Why isn't he more revered?  Well, us old guys remember Joe Ferguson, and Joe was the real deal.  Tyrod wishes he could play like Joe.  

Why must he be compared to Joe Ferguson ?

[Dablitzkrieg]

Has Tyrod ever been brought out as a legend of the Bills?

5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

he could be entertaining...

 

 

 

Yes, it's always great to lineup behind the guard in shotgun

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 6/29/2023 at 7:34 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

“Pure trash.” 
 

Proves the point of my thread and the hate he receives for no reason. 

As my esteemed college statistics professor said, “one result does not prove a hypothesis” 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

19 hours ago, I am leaving for good said:

Because Tyrod Taylor wasn’t here very long with the Buffalo Bills. Let’s not act like Tyrod Taylor was like Joe Ferguson who was here for over a decade and is all but forgotten about by a lot of today’s Buffalo Bills fans over shadowed by Jim Kelly era. Which I understand why that is but just saying Tyrod Taylor forget about him. I don’t understand why Joe Ferguson is basically ignored by this Buffalo Bills fans and the Bills franchise today. Is it really that hard to just retire Joe Ferguson number 12 it’s not like the Buffalo Bills are using the number anyway because it’s retired for Jim Kelly. Same Tom Barrasso’s number 30 not like the Buffalo Sabres are using it anyway Ryan Miller.
 

The Buffalo Sabres Rene Robert is more revered than Buffalo Bills Joe Ferguson. I was a fan of both but Rene Robert has his number retired really didn’t do all that much more than Joe Ferguson in professional sports in Buffalo. I think Joe Ferguson was overshadowed by the Electric Company with OJ. Then in the early 1980’s Joe Ferguson was in his prime that main problem was Ralph Wilson’s cheap ness not paying coaches and players to stay together. Joe Ferguson was always getting use to new coaches and players because Ralph Wilson didn’t want to pay to keep the team together until the 1990’s. When Ralph Wilson was older and I think realized I can’t take the money with me so Ralph Wilson had a change of heart and started spending more money on retaining his talent. But we wasted those early 1980’s teams. If Chuck Knox was kept there is no way the Bills are 2-14 in 1984 and 1985 in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I loved those teams … butler, Lewis, cribbs … on defense Ben Williams, Sherman white, Jeff Nixon and bill simpson.  Their playoff loss to the chargers was my first of many bills heartbreaks 

12 hours ago, Gregg said:

Tyrod was meh. He had his moments, but he was just another average "at best" Bills QB. In the Bills history there are only 4 QB's worth mentioning. In order of their time in Buffalo. It's Kemp, Ferguson, Kelly, and Allen. That's it. Lamonica could have been on the list, but he made his mark as a Raider. Bledsoe was at the end of his career when he came here, and Flutie was only a Bill for about 5 minutes.

You forgot Bruce mathison and Joe dufek 😂

[Dr.Sack]

Gimme TRods low turnover rate with JA17 overall dominance. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

On 6/29/2023 at 5:28 PM, Mynamemike said:

I don’t ever see much hate for Tyrod.  Good dude, decent qb who didn’t take risks but wouldn’t lose you games with boneheaded plays.  He had the physical tools to be great imo but seemed hesitant to take risks to win games.  Just my two cents.  One of the better qbs we had during the drought

It's not hate but he's definitely under appreciated.   He was qb when we broke the drought.   Maybe he shouldn't be revered but just given some props, despite flaws.

[BringBackFlutie]

On 6/29/2023 at 5:12 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

Where’s the dual threat?  I see just rushing numbers.

 

BOTH legs.

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Gimme TRods low turnover rate with JA17 overall dominance. 

That barley happens when your a qb who pushes the ball downfield 

 

you don’t get 5-1 TD to Int ratio 

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Why must he be compared to Joe Ferguson ?

fine. Compare him to his peer QBs then….all done?  He’s still not good bro. He was never good.
 

Jesus this is an odd take to die on. You’re wrong in your analysis of TT and you’re way wrong questioning why he doesn’t get more accolades. 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Gimme TRods low turnover rate with JA17 overall dominance. 

That's literally only Aaron Rodgers

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Why must he be compared to Joe Ferguson ?

They seem similar to me.

[Estro]

Tyrod Taylor was a replacement level player. Replacement level players are rarely revered by fan bases.

[Rocky Landing]

A "why doesn't Tyrod get more respect" thread probably wouldn't have generated ten pages when he was actually playing on the team.

[Figster]

5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

It's not hate but he's definitely under appreciated.   He was qb when we broke the drought.   Maybe he shouldn't be revered but just given some props, despite flaws.

Despite having my top WR traded for peanuts after training with him through the off season.

 

Hate it when that happens...

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

On 6/29/2023 at 5:14 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I never ever understood the hate for Tyrod Taylor. He was a dynamic athlete that defenses had to properly game plan against and played a big role in breaking the 17 year drought. I think he is one of the better dual threats of all time and it’s cool seeing the contrast between TT and Allen as runners. Why is he not a bigger part of Bills’ lore? He got done what a **** load of previous QBs couldn’t. It’s not like Losman, Bledsoe, or Fitz didn’t have good defenses too. So I really don’t wanna hear how the defense alone propelled us there. It was also Tyrod’s legs and low turnover rate + big play ability as well. 

[jethro_tull]

He was 22 and 20 as a Bills starter.  

[Big Turk]

For what?

 

Basically if he didn't have an early lead the team lost because he wasn't bringing them back.

 

Had some high scoring offenses but mostly did damage against bad teams. Looked inept far too often for a starting QB. I mean 50 yards passing in the 4th quarter with him was a thing against good teams.

 

If the Bills got down more than 10 points, the game was essentially over.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Big Turk

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

He was 22 and 20 as a Bills starter.  

43-37-1 overall. A winning record is a winning record. I think TT was coached to play super conservative so they could ride Shady & the D and eek their way into the playoffs.  I don’t think he was necessarily gun shy. 

[McBean]

On 6/29/2023 at 4:14 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I never ever understood the hate for Tyrod Taylor. He was a dynamic athlete that defenses had to properly game plan against and played a big role in breaking the 17 year drought. I think he is one of the better dual threats of all time and it’s cool seeing the contrast between TT and Allen as runners. Why is he not a bigger part of Bills’ lore? He got done what a **** load of previous QBs couldn’t. It’s not like Losman, Bledsoe, or Fitz didn’t have good defenses too. So I really don’t wanna hear how the defense alone propelled us there. It was also Tyrod’s legs and low turnover rate + big play ability as well. 

Without reading every post in this long thread, I’ll sum it up for you:

 

He was a RB trying to play QB. This is a passing league.

[Southern_Bills]

11 minutes ago, McBean said:

Without reading every post in this long thread, I’ll sum it up for you:

 

He was a RB trying to play QB. This is a passing league.

 

I Disagree, when he got outside the pocket he was on the money, he had the arm.

 

But as I'm typing this out I remember he was atrocious in the picket from every aspect, so yeah probably more of a RB with an arm? Lol

[Bobby Hooks]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

43-37-1 overall. A winning record is a winning record. I think TT was coached to play super conservative so they could ride Shady & the D and eek their way into the playoffs.  I don’t think he was necessarily gun shy. 

I have hours and hours of time invested watching him that refutes this point completely. 
 

Run, run, pass. Run, run, pass. One third of his drives were clearly passing plays with 5 to 8 yards needed. Dude wouldn’t let it go until the last second and that was to a guy no one was covering because he wasn’t beyond the first down marker. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Bockeye]

Getting excited about Tyrod is like celebrating a ‘C’ on your report card. 

[dave mcbride]

5 hours ago, jethro_tull said:

He was 22 and 20 as a Bills starter.  

23-20. See above.