vanhalen26 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 The bills sent out two emails this morning about the new stadium and season seats. The first was to tell current season seat holders they are at the front of the line for the new stadium. The second was to app subscribers etc inviting them to make a $150 deposit to hold a place in line for seasons to the new stadium. Given the seating capacity reduction in store for the new stadium, makes me a bit nervous to see that they anticipate they will have season seats available to new subscribers / members. Makes me thing they expect a lot of attrition and turn over with the PSL pricing and new seat pricing. I do expect to be priced out of my seats but I’ll still get something. Mine are behind the bills bench in a low row. I anticipate them rebranding those seats as clubs and pricing accordingly. When I look at other teams and stadiums, many of the seats between the 35s on the lower bowls are sold as club seats … but in Buffalo they’ve traditionally been regular seats sold at a small premium, but nowhere near club pricing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 This is exactly what the Jets and Giants did. When MetLife was deemed safe to tour (it still wasn't finished) both teams allowed fans to take tours in the place. Gives fans an idea of where they may want to sit. Expect the Bills to do the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I have seasons and there is a group of about 8 next to us. They've told me that they are done when they switch over to the new stadium. They implied they can't afford it. 11 minutes ago, Gregg said: This is exactly what the Jets and Giants did. When MetLife was deemed safe to tour (it still wasn't finished) both teams allowed fans to take tours in the place. Gives fans an idea of where they may want to sit. Expect the Bills to do the same thing. Years ago, I met a Jets fan who had been a long time season ticket holder. When they moved to Met Life he dropped them. He said he didn't want to pay that much to see a game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhalen26 Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I have seasons and there is a group of about 8 next to us. They've told me that they are done when they switch over to the new stadium. They implied they can't afford it. Years ago, I met a Jets fan who had been a long time season ticket holder. When they moved to Met Life he dropped them. He said he didn't want to pay that much to see a game. I guess the plus side is the bills stay in Buffalo and I can still go to a game or two a year. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I have seasons and there is a group of about 8 next to us. They've told me that they are done when they switch over to the new stadium. They implied they can't afford it. Years ago, I met a Jets fan who had been a long time season ticket holder. When they moved to Met Life he dropped them. He said he didn't want to pay that much to see a game. Which is why the Bills new stadium will have a capacity of around 60K. They know many fans will be priced out with raised ticket prices and PSL fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I'm sure they won't have any problem selling out. It's not that many tickets, and now that they're good, it'll draw in plenty of more casual fans with disposable cash. In almost every case, I'd rather watch sports on TV rather than see them in person, especially football. You lose so much perspective by not being able to see the action as clearly as you can on TV and I feel like announcers and TV production in general can add a ton to the overall experience. It's cool to sit high at the 50 yard line to see all the strategy play out but you miss the details of the plays. The opposite is true for sideline and endzone seats, except in that case you end up watching msot of the game on a Jumbotron instead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 So, I guess when I watch the Bills play in the new stadium on TV, it'll be to check out the Who's Who of Buffalo. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, Gregg said: Which is why the Bills new stadium will have a capacity of around 60K. They know many fans will be priced out with raised ticket prices and PSL fees. True plus stadiums aren't as big as before to accommodate all the various amenities that fans want in a stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said: True plus stadiums aren't as big as before to accommodate all the various amenities that fans want in a stadium. I’m curious as to what amenities you think the new stadiums don’t have that fans want….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Gregg said: This is exactly what the Jets and Giants did. When MetLife was deemed safe to tour (it still wasn't finished) both teams allowed fans to take tours in the place. Gives fans an idea of where they may want to sit. Expect the Bills to do the same thing. think many of the folks who have senioity and are between the 35-35 gunna have some sticker shock, of that there is no doubt. I think i remember Ron Raccuia(sp) say on GR they will have a sales center with VR that will let you experience seat siight lines, concessions etc for every seat in the house just like you there. That i think will be up and running as soon as March of next year IIRC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: I’m curious as to what amenities you think the new stadiums don’t have that fans want….. A roof? 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: I’m curious as to what amenities you think the new stadiums don’t have that fans want….. A roller coaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: I’m curious as to what amenities you think the new stadiums don’t have that fans want….. Think he was saying with wider concourses, views of the filed from the concourse etc, stadiums have less seats/sq ft than with the older staduims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Pffff. Deposits?! I got a deposit for ya right here! 1 1 12 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Think he was saying with wider concourses, views of the filed from the concourse etc, stadiums have less seats/sq ft than with the older staduims Wouldn't fewer seats per square foot be an amenity? I don’t see how an overall larger facility is an amenity when you are getting wider concourses, better warming locations, standing room areas to eat, drink and socialize, more space around your seat, and many other new amenities that were never present at the Ralph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I wonder if seasons will be opened up to people beyond the 716 area now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: think many of the folks who have senioity and are between the 35-35 gunna have some sticker shock, of that there is no doubt. I think i remember Ron Raccuia(sp) say on GR they will have a sales center with VR that will let you experience seat siight lines, concessions etc for every seat in the house just like you there. That i think will be up and running as soon as March of next year IIRC The ticket center with VR capabilities will be in the Tony Walker Plaza on Main St in the Village of Williamsville. I believe it has been reported that it will be open at some point this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Wouldn't fewer seats per square foot be an amenity? I don’t see how an overall larger facility is an amenity when you are getting wider concourses, better warming locations, standing room areas to eat, drink and socialize, more space around your seat, and many other new amenities that were never present at the Ralph. Fewer seats per square foot are becoming a requirement. The average fan is "bigger" now than they were when the older stadiums were designed. Not trying to be snarky. It's morphological reality. Add in heavy winter clothing and it's like being sandwiched between the Michelin Man family. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, Whites Bay said: Fewer seats per square foot are becoming a requirement. The average fan is "bigger" now than they were when the older stadiums were designed. Not trying to be snarky. It's morphological reality. Add in heavy winter clothing and it's like being sandwiched between the Michelin Man family. I have not been to a winter cold game in quite a few years and it was Michelin Man surroundings back then!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 3 hours ago, vanhalen26 said: The bills sent out two emails this morning about the new stadium and season seats. The first was to tell current season seat holders they are at the front of the line for the new stadium. The second was to app subscribers etc inviting them to make a $150 deposit to hold a place in line for seasons to the new stadium. Given the seating capacity reduction in store for the new stadium, makes me a bit nervous to see that they anticipate they will have season seats available to new subscribers / members. Makes me thing they expect a lot of attrition and turn over with the PSL pricing and new seat pricing. I do expect to be priced out of my seats but I’ll still get something. Mine are behind the bills bench in a low row. I anticipate them rebranding those seats as clubs and pricing accordingly. When I look at other teams and stadiums, many of the seats between the 35s on the lower bowls are sold as club seats … but in Buffalo they’ve traditionally been regular seats sold at a small premium, but nowhere near club pricing. $150 doesn't seem like an indicator of the pricing and more "stop everyone from signing up regardless if they actually intend to buy tickets" and to keep the scalpers out. The tickets may end up being very costly, but I doubt this means anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhalen26 Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Malazan said: $150 doesn't seem like an indicator of the pricing and more "stop everyone from signing up regardless if they actually intend to buy tickets" and to keep the scalpers out. The tickets may end up being very costly, but I doubt this means anything about it. To me it does. If they were confident about selling out to season seat holders, they wouldn’t need a secondary list. I do agree that $150 isn’t much, but to me it’s the signal sent by creating a backup list of interested people. $150 is just enough to prevent people who don’t have a genuine interest from adding their name to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 It’s worth $150 to me to say “Yeah, I was on the list for a deluxe suite, but they sold out on me”. Call me Mr. Big Stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills742 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Jester said: I wonder if seasons will be opened up to people beyond the 716 area now. They did open it up. I live in Maryland and have been trying to get season tickets and was denied because of distance. I was able to get on the waiting list with a deposit when I called this past February. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 4 hours ago, vanhalen26 said: I do expect to be priced out of my seats but I’ll still get something. Mine are behind the bills bench in a low row. I anticipate them rebranding those seats as clubs and pricing accordingly. When I look at other teams and stadiums, many of the seats between the 35s on the lower bowls are sold as club seats … but in Buffalo they’ve traditionally been regular seats sold at a small premium, but nowhere near club pricing. @Kirby Jackson Used to say you can't raise prices that much in an old stadium, but you can reinvent your price structure in a new one. Which is probably as much a reason the NFL wanted the Bills to build something. That said I'd be surprised if the tickets are all priced sky high. Premium seating for sure, but on average I'm expecting a 25-30% bump. And before you say that Buffalo can't afford it, look at resale prices for games early in the year. Some games start at $200. That tells you the market can bear some increase, at least while the Bills are good. PSL's will be interesting. I'll bet they start at just under a grand. I've been anticipating this for the last decade and have planned accordingly. I look forward to my day at the Sales Center when I find out what I can afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I will be watching from home 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Can you get your deposit back if you change your mind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Malazan said: $150 doesn't seem like an indicator of the pricing and more "stop everyone from signing up regardless if they actually intend to buy tickets" and to keep the scalpers out. The tickets may end up being very costly, but I doubt this means anything about it. The $150 per seat for the new stadium, or the $250 for the current wait list is nothing more than an interest free loan to the Bills from the fans. They have been doing this for years. One of the benefits is that your season ticket seniority starts from when you make the deposit. Not when you actually get to buy tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, vanhalen26 said: To me it does. If they were confident about selling out to season seat holders, they wouldn’t need a secondary list. I do agree that $150 isn’t much, but to me it’s the signal sent by creating a backup list of interested people. $150 is just enough to prevent people who don’t have a genuine interest from adding their name to the list. This stadium / pricing isn’t designed to be sold entirely to existing season ticket holders. I’m sure they’re confident about selling out, just to a different demographic. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I have decent season tickets, but I do NOT anticipate extending them beyond 2025. Anything's possible, but there is only so much I can pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Jester said: I wonder if seasons will be opened up to people beyond the 716 area now. What do you mean? Like, Canadians from the 416? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I expect to see $10,000 PSLs. Hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 34 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: I expect to see $10,000 PSLs. Hope I'm wrong. In the 100 level between the 35s I believe you are right. Also believe your right with club seating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 12 hours ago, WotAGuy said: It’s worth $150 to me to say “Yeah, I was on the list for a deluxe suite, but they sold out on me”. Call me Mr. Big Stuff. plus a $3 fee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 As a current Bills STH I'm gonna make sure to enjoy these next 3 years(fingers crossed we get a Home AFC Championship game) and then it's gonna be time to retire as a STH...I'm completely at peace with it and part of me is looking forward to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I like the idea of smaller capacity. Less traffic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Irv said: I like the idea of smaller capacity. Less traffic. The next 3 years will be rough. The new stadium being built with games still being played at the current stadium. Less parking spots and traffic on game days will be more difficult. It will be a pain in the ass until the current stadium is taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: @Kirby Jackson Used to say you can't raise prices that much in an old stadium, but you can reinvent your price structure in a new one. Which is probably as much a reason the NFL wanted the Bills to build something. That said I'd be surprised if the tickets are all priced sky high. Premium seating for sure, but on average I'm expecting a 25-30% bump. And before you say that Buffalo can't afford it, look at resale prices for games early in the year. Some games start at $200. That tells you the market can bear some increase, at least while the Bills are good. PSL's will be interesting. I'll bet they start at just under a grand. I've been anticipating this for the last decade and have planned accordingly. I look forward to my day at the Sales Center when I find out what I can afford. Even a large bump like 30% won't provide more shared revenue for the League--ticket revenue isn't shared, except with the visiting team. If the annual sales go from 65 million to, say 85 million, that's an increase of 8 million for the visiting teams for 8-9 games. not significant bump for any team's total revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: I expect to see $10,000 PSLs. Hope I'm wrong. For the premium seats, yes you can expect that. Most will fall between $1500 and $5000...... which is my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: For the premium seats, yes you can expect that. Most will fall between $1500 and $5000...... which is my guess. Have the Bills said what the payment options are? The Jets allowed fans to pay in one shot (most fans couldn't do this) either by check or CC. Or they allowed fans to pay over 5, 10, 15 years by CC only. They did charge interest if fans chose to pay over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gregg said: Have the Bills said what the payment options are? The Jets allowed fans to pay in one shot (most fans couldn't do this) either by check or CC. Or they allowed fans to pay over 5, 10, 15 years by CC only. They did charge interest if fans chose to pay over time. Official no.... but I have some family who gets decent information fed to them and these were the numbers he was hearing. Sounds about right to me but again not official 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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