Was the trade up necessary? 🤔

[StHustle]

Ok so Im like many of us Bills Mafians. I HATE the thought that we traded up unnecessarily for a pick Beane decided to make in earlier drafts. Welp here we are again, another draft, another trade up in the first. Some of Beane's previous trade ups were understandable while many others were highly questionable. FOR THIS SPECIFIC TRADE UP, do you feel Beane was completely justified? Even if you believe the Cowboys would have indeed selected Kincaid and for us to get him, trading up was necessary. If you dont feel the pick was worth the sacrifice, STILL VOTE NO. So my polling question here is, DO YOU FEEL THE TRADE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE 2023 DRAFT WAS WORTH IT? Put your current opinion on the matter on the record RIGHT NOW!

[DrDawkinstein]

Yes.

 

Last guy with a 1st round grade, and he was a need. And Dallas was going to take him. Had to happen.

[Conlan58]

If Kincaid ends up being a bust, No. If he ends up being a second coming of Ertz or Kelce, Yes. 

[SCBills]

If we use him correctly, emphatically yes. 
 

Kincaid should be an immediate impact WR/TE. 
 

I have no worries about the player.. all my concern resides with Dorsey and Allen’s usage of him. 

[skibum]

I'm going with a soft 'no', because there were still a lot of great players on the board, and this was something of a luxury pick. Don't get me wrong, I like the player a lot, but he will have to make a pretty big impact for this to be a square deal. As with all draft picks, we don't know if that will pan out. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

oh nooooo, we gave up a 4th round pick to get a splash player and screwed over Dallas in the process 

 

This makes me very unhappy

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 minute ago, Conlan58 said:

If Kincaid ends up being a bust, No. If he ends up being a second coming of Ertz or Kelce, Yes. 

 

This is where I'm at. If he's a good player, beane did good. If he's a bad player, Beane did bad.

 

But if you ask me today and you need an answer now, I say: "I don't know". Perhaps a "maybe".

[Fr. Jerk]

No matter how he pans out sticking it to the Cawboys and getting Skips panties in a bunch was worth it, ya dig? 

[MPL]

Beane should have traded our 3rd to save himself from making the typical dumb 3rd round pick. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by MPL

[Alphadawg7]

If they wanted Kincaid, it was definitely necessary as he was as close of a lock as there is in a draft to go to Dallas.  So it honestly strictly comes down to how they felt about Kincaid, and they definitely stated he was their guy.  Beane also stated if Kincaid was gone, they had a trade back in place because none of the other players had first round grades on his board.  

 

Leading up to the draft I kept saying Dallas was a problem and the Giants at 25 make sense for his to move up to and it would cost exactly a 4th this year.  And the reason I said Dallas was a problem was because any of the offensive players people thought we might covet if they fell near us were also going to be guys on Dallas's board too.  Bijan for example, Kincaid obviously, or also even one of the WR's...all depending on how the board fell.

 

The board fell in a way where there was only one obvious player sticking out and that was Kincaid.  Now some can differ on whether or not Kincaid should have been their guy, but based on them being Beanes target when the 25th pick came up, he had to make that move to get him IMHO. Personally, I agree that he was the BPA on the board, so I was fine with them going after the best player. 

 

Just hope Dorsey gets this kid the ball now.  

[Dunkirk Donski]

5 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

If Kincaid ends up being a bust, No. If he ends up being a second coming of Ertz or Kelce, Yes. 

Exactly.  Way too early to tell, some mocks had him as high as #9

[StHustle]

2 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

This is where I'm at. If he's a good player, beane did good. If he's a bad player, Beane did bad.

 

But if you ask me today and you need an answer now, I say: "I don't know". Perhaps a "maybe".

 

Guys, hindsight is 20/20 for any such move. Im asking you to plant a flag on the decision RIGHT NOW! 

[Gregg]

Cowboys were going to take him.

[Rc2catch]

I’m a firm believer you do what you gotta do to get the guy you want. If Beane didn’t receive trade interest in the original pick and moving back, better go up and get someone you think is a difference maker. As I said last night I think this is a genius red zone move, an area that has been pretty difficult for them. This guy along with Knox, Davis and Diggs should be a red zone nightmare for defenses when you add in Allen’s run ability or Harris’s strength or cook/Hines speed. 

[MJS]

We gave up a later round draft pick. People are crying about that?

[JohnNord]

Not sure how anyone can make this decision the day after the draft.  

[Southern_Bills]

Something tells me Beane didn't trade up for fun. He felt he wouldn't be there at 27. 

 

He was in the room and I wasn't, who am I to say he was wrong?

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Cowboys were going to take him.

It’s always interesting to me to see how these things play out.  
 

Everyone knew Dallas wanted Kincaid IF he was there.  
 

However, from the video snippets and reporters witnessing their war room, it seems they were quite unsettled when we jumped them for Kincaid.  
 

Surely, if we all knew what they wanted to do, they would put the word out to have the chance to match/exceed a trade offer if someone tries to jump them, no?

 

Its not like they just said, oh well.. we’ll just go Mazi Smith now.. they took their time and had, what clearly seemed to be, some animated discussions about what to do. 

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

No matter how he pans out sticking it to the Cawboys and getting Skips panties in a bunch was worth it, ya dig? 

Second year in a row we jumped them 

[JJGauna]

A 4th rounder in a “weak draft class” to ensure you get the last highly rated player on the board, every time that’s a yes. Getting Josh a new target was clearly the focus of the first round. Plus it was no secret that Dallas needed a TE and will now settle for a day two prospect.

[BillsfaninSB]

Feel better about this trade up than the Elam trade up last year. 

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Ok so Im like many of us Bills Mafians. I HATE the thought that we traded up unnecessarily for a pick Beane decided to make in earlier drafts. Welp here we are again, another draft, another trade up in the first. Some of Beane's previous trade ups were understandable while many others were highly questionable. FOR THIS SPECIFIC TRADE UP, do you feel Beane was completely justified? Even if you believe the Cowboys would have indeed selected Kincaid and for us to get him, trading up was necessary. If you dont feel the pick was worth the sacrifice, STILL VOTE NO. So my polling question here is, DO YOU FEEL THE TRADE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE 2023 DRAFT WAS WORTH IT? Put your current opinion on the matter on the record RIGHT NOW!

 

Kincaid is an elite weapon, so yes.

[ddaryl]

there were not alot of players left on the board with a 1st rd grade

 

so the move up for a weapon on the O side of the ball works for me

 

4th rd pick be damned

[BillyBilliams]

4th round pick....who cares

[ndirish1978]

18 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Ok so Im like many of us Bills Mafians. I HATE the thought that we traded up unnecessarily for a pick Beane decided to make in earlier drafts. Welp here we are again, another draft, another trade up in the first. Some of Beane's previous trade ups were understandable while many others were highly questionable. FOR THIS SPECIFIC TRADE UP, do you feel Beane was completely justified? Even if you believe the Cowboys would have indeed selected Kincaid and for us to get him, trading up was necessary. If you dont feel the pick was worth the sacrifice, STILL VOTE NO. So my polling question here is, DO YOU FEEL THE TRADE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE 2023 DRAFT WAS WORTH IT? Put your current opinion on the matter on the record RIGHT NOW!

Yes, the difference in value was 40 pts, our 4th rounder was worth 42 pts. We wanted a specific player, the team before us was long attached to the player. We made a move and drafted the player we wanted. Why don't you just add more instructions to this poll and tell everyone to vote not. Or better yet, just remove the option to vote yes. The question is valid, your attempt to get everyone to agree with you is not great.

[0017]

Worth it just for the look on the faces of jerry jones and crew😂

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, skibum said:

I'm going with a soft 'no', because there were still a lot of great players on the board, and this was something of a luxury pick. Don't get me wrong, I like the player a lot, but he will have to make a pretty big impact for this to be a square deal. As with all draft picks, we don't know if that will pan out. 

I feel like the only alternative was to trade back there and we would not really have a chance at a high impact offensive player

[PBF81]

Entusiasm runs high this time of year.  

 

I remember the euphoria over Oliver and how he was the next Aaron Donald, and Cook last year, that he wouldn't just be another role player, yet many were hoping for a RB and still are in rounds 2 or 3.  And Rousseau.  

 

We'll see what happens, but rookie TEs typically don't make an immediate impact.  I'm not sure how many more years Beane and McD have left before cries for their replacements begin to surface.  

 

For now talk is cheap and the sky's the limit.  

 

Time will tell as it always does.  But going by popular opinion here is meaningless.  

 

 

[StHustle]

Wow ok so after 20 minutes it has become CLEAR it's not even close and that Bills Mafia feels Beane was completely justified by the move up this year. I created this poll because last year I felt it was purely "getting antsy"  and was unnecessary for Bean to trade away assets for Elam. I also with the camp that this year, he ABSOLUTELY was warranted and wasnt "seeing ghosts" on this trade and made the absolutely beast mode chess move. Of course how Kincaid pans out will ultimately judge this decision, but I definitely wanted to capture the overall feelings of the mafia during the immediate aftermath. 

[JimBob2232]

Below are our 4th round picks in the last 15 years.  Which ones would you not trade to get the player you absolutely wanted in the draft?  Gabriel Davis for sure.  Only Bradham and Johnson were even decent players on this list.  Its fine.  Don't lose sleep over it.  You can quibble over the player if you want.  Maybe they should have done it earlier to get a WR.  But don't quibble over the strategy and the loss of a 4th.

 

Gabriel Davis 

Taron Johnson

Cardale Jones

Ross Cockerel

Duke Williams

Nigel Bradham

Ron Brooks

Da'Norris Searcy

Chris Harriston

Marcus Easley

Shawn Nelson

Reggie Corner

Derrick Nelson

Dwayne Wright

Derek Fine

[Reed83HOF]

It was a good trade, the cost to go after the WRs was apparently higher than we wanted to pay. The choice of taking the top rated player in the positional group vs the 3rd or 4th based on this wr class was a no brainer imo. Elite hands and if we believe beane at his word, he will mostly be a pass catcher, it lessens the developmental aspect you traditionally see with TEs. That doesn't mean he doesn't have to learn to block, but it seems the priority in his training and development will be on route running, reading defenders and making the same route tree decision josh does.

 

If you take most of the targets we used last year on Isiah, Crowder, Singletary, and beasely and give them to Kincaid, that's a sizeable workload. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

If I were an NFL GM, I would sacrifice a 4th round pick to piss in Jerry Jone's Wheaties every year.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Feel better about this trade up than the Elam trade up last year. 

"I can find out where you live!"

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Entusiasm runs high this time of year.  

 

I remember the euphoria over Oliver and how he was the next Aaron Donald, and Cook last year, that he wouldn't just be another role player, yet many were hoping for a RB and still are in rounds 2 or 3.  And Rousseau.  

 

We'll see what happens, but rookie TEs typically don't make an immediate impact.  I'm not sure how many more years Beane and McD have left before cries for their replacements begin to surface.  

 

For now talk is cheap and the sky's the limit.  

 

Time will tell as it always does.  But going by popular opinion here is meaningless.  

 

 

To be fair Rousseau and cook still have the opportunity to be absolute beasts. They were both trending upwards last season for sure. 

cook pretty much wrestled the starting job away from singletary and made him expendable…I think calling him a role player is a bit underselling it. 
 

book has probably been written on Ed oliver though…he seems to be destined to be a pretty good dt but nothing special 

 

[gobills1212]

35 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Ok so Im like many of us Bills Mafians. I HATE the thought that we traded up unnecessarily for a pick Beane decided to make in earlier drafts. Welp here we are again, another draft, another trade up in the first. Some of Beane's previous trade ups were understandable while many others were highly questionable. FOR THIS SPECIFIC TRADE UP, do you feel Beane was completely justified? Even if you believe the Cowboys would have indeed selected Kincaid and for us to get him, trading up was necessary. If you dont feel the pick was worth the sacrifice, STILL VOTE NO. So my polling question here is, DO YOU FEEL THE TRADE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE 2023 DRAFT WAS WORTH IT? Put your current opinion on the matter on the record RIGHT NOW!

Pay better attention. The answer to this was everywhere - even casually mentioned in many articles 

[KDIGGZ]

26 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Cowboys were going to take him.

They said they had the DT from Michigan higher than any TE which also means they probably didn't have Kincaid #1 out of the TE's. The only person that said they wanted Kincaid was Skip Bayless who has no affiliation with the team, he was just hoping they would get him as a fan 

[Doc]

If it's true that he was the last 1st round talent left on their board and Jerruh wanted him, yes it was absolutely necessary to trade up to get him.  Whether he was worth the 25th pick, much less the extra 4th rounder, remains to be seen.

[Aussie Joe]

15 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

Below are our 4th round picks in the last 15 years.  Which ones would you not trade to get the player you absolutely wanted in the draft?  Gabriel Davis for sure.  Only Bradham and Johnson were even decent players on this list.  Its fine.  Don't lose sleep over it.  You can quibble over the player if you want.  Maybe they should have done it earlier to get a WR.  But don't quibble over the strategy and the loss of a 4th.

 

Gabriel Davis 

Taron Johnson

Cardale Jones

Ross Cockerel

Duke Williams

Nigel Bradham

Ron Brooks

Da'Norris Searcy

Chris Harriston

Marcus Easley

Shawn Nelson

Reggie Corner

Derrick Nelson

Dwayne Wright

Derek Fine

so they have picked twice out of 7 years in the McBean era and two good players ..

 

Whaley couldn’t pick anyone anywhere let alone in the 4th..

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[StHustle]

5 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Pay better attention. The answer to this was everywhere - even casually mentioned in many articles 

Ok well I agree with it so what must I pay better attention to? I'm just getting folks on record now cause the whole trade up thing is a very polarizing topic.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

To be fair Rousseau and cook still have the opportunity to be absolute beasts. They were both trending upwards last season for sure. 

cook pretty much wrestled the starting job away from singletary and made him expendable…I think calling him a role player is a bit underselling it. 
 

book has probably been written on Ed oliver though…he seems to be destined to be a pretty good dt but nothing special 

 

 

Actually, re: Rousseau that's not true.  Look at his game logs.  His best game was vs. Miami and he petered out after an early start.  Someone a while back said that as soon as Miller went out he began trending downward, but it happened before that.  He came out of the gates swinging for the first 4 games than played like JAG.  

 

We'll see on Cook, he's never even approached carrying the ball full-time, and while he got more carries, about twice as many, in the 2nd half of the season, he was still a role player.  Whether or not the team lets him shake that is up to Dorsey I suppose.  I'd like to see what he can do.  Then again, they brought in Himes and never used him as they said they would when they traded for him.  

Our problems are more coaching than anything else.