Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) He says: "If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' " It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein? This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to. Edited April 18, 2023 by Pine Barrens Mafia 8 5 11 1 4 11 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 They have to get their precious comp pick first. He mention that at all? I don't give florio clicks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 This is just dumb on Florios part. The Bills are up against it as far as the cap goes because they’ve spent on Diggs, Miller, Milano, etc. Buffalo has been spending! 13 1 12 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) Um I believe they used the extra $ on some guy named Von Miller. & the restructure was to get below the cap. Edited April 18, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Does Florio have any insight into what conversations Josh and/or his agent are or are not having with Beane and the Bills? The answer to that question is "no." Regardless, players don't run personnel departments. Just ask Aaron Rodgers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, eball said: Regardless, players don't run personnel departments. Just ask Aaron Rodgers. I'm not sure that's the best example to be using here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 we spent it on von miller who blew his knee out and we lost our pass rush. same with tre, hyde 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I'm not sure that's the best example to be using here It's the perfect example. Aaron tries to manipulate the front office all the time...and you see what happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, eball said: It's the perfect example. Aaron tries to manipulate the front office all the time...and you see what happens. We basically save money on Josh then, Diggs aside, spend it on defense. 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, eball said: It's the perfect example. Aaron tries to manipulate the front office all the time...and you see what happens. Is Rodgers wrong, though? Green Bay has HORRIBLY mismanaged things. Just now, UKBillFan said: We basically save money on Josh then, Diggs aside, spend it on defense. Exactly, it's negotiating in bad faith. That money should have been used to actually help Josh out there. 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Maybe Josh already did so privately? Or more likely Stef has. Perhaps I see him through rosé coloured glasses but I don’t see Josh as the type to come out publicly put the front office on blast. Regardless, let’s hope Beane sees the need to beef up the offense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) The Bills strategy is keep the team that has won 13, 11 and 13 games in the 2020-2022 regular season as intact as possible. So that means Milano extended, Poyer brought back, Dane Jackson tendered, Lawson & Phillips back, Boettger and Quesenberry back, Dodson, Tyler M, Klein all back at LB. Because of high dollar contract core of Allen, Miller, Diggs, Milano, White, Knox, Morse, Dawkins, and to a lesser extent Poyer & Hyde, it is harder to add blue chip difference makers to the offense. 2023 Free Agency was a similar approach on the Offensive Line - bargain rate starters. At WR, it was more of the same under the radar signings, albeit with a pivot to younger players than in years past. The Bills could have made a play for Orlando Brown Jr and put him at LT, and Dawkins at RT - but that obviously would have meant Poyer and several other familiar faces not coming back. Same with Hopkins. If the Bills FO wanted him Day One, they could have made that happen. Edited April 18, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: They have to get their precious comp pick first. He mention that at all? I don't give florio clicks I know this is a complicated concept, but ... stay with me here ... third round picks are cheaper than expensive free agent offensive weapons. With that third round pick ... again, buckle up because this is tough ... they can draft a Wide Receiver and then layer on other free agents after June 1st who don't count against their comp formula. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Yeah, I am broke too Where's the Ashtray ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Josh Allen should only be upset if we neglect to address the offensive line in the draft If the coaching staff wants Allen to drop back in the pocket and go through his reads instead of scrambling, he can't have a defender in his face immediately. The o-line was our weakest positional group last season and it's holding the offense back. 12 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: This is just dumb on Florios part. The Bills are up against it as far as the cap goes because they’ve spent on Diggs, Miller, Milano, etc. Buffalo has been spending! I mean, even the Chiefs fan knows why this is a dumb question. Cmon, Florio/OP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: we spent it on von miller who blew his knee out and we lost our pass rush. same with tre, hyde Every time we spend money on good toys, they break. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) Bills like their roster. Josh likes his weapons, at least from what he says, They do have a hole at slot WR. They will probably add a WR. Edited April 18, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills like their roster. Josh likes his weapons, at least from what he says, Do you really think Allen is going to say otherwise publicly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills like their roster. Josh likes his weapons, at least from what he says, They do have a hole at slot WR. They will probably add a WR. Problem with that, didn't Josh ask to have both Brown and Bease back last year? If so, he clearly didn't like the weapons he had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 "It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein?" It's NOT a good question. It's very ignorant. - The question/statement implies that Allen restructuring somehow negatively affects his contract. (Hint: it does not) - Restructuring NEVER hurts the best players. Never, ever, never. - This also implies that the Bills did not deliver on something Allen wanted. If so, what exactly? - The media dude is offers zero proof that Allen expected anything in particular that was not delivered. You took it hook line and sinker. - Tell us where the Bills spent poorly? Poyer? Milano? Diggs? White? Knox? Morse? Von Miller? Which one don't you like? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, even the Chiefs fan knows why this is a dumb question. Cmon, Florio/OP. Most teams can afford a wideout and an edge plus more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, whorlnut said: Do you really think Allen is going to say otherwise publicly? Allen and the Bills love Gabe Davis. They love Knox. They love Diggs. From everything I see and hear they love the OL. The guy they signed has a great relationship with Bates. They do have a hole at slot WR for the first time in a long time entering the draft. Last year they had McKenzie and Crowder. I think we’ll see a WR added. This year they have unknowns. They don’t run the ball. I don’t think Josh wants to run the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: "It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein?" It's NOT a good question. It's very ignorant. - The question/statement implies that Allen restructuring somehow negatively affects his contract. (Hint: it does not) - Restructuring NEVER hurts the best players. Never, ever, never. - This also implies that the Bills did not deliver on something Allen wanted. If so, what exactly? - The media dude is offers zero proof that Allen expected anything in particular that was not delivered. You took it hook line and sinker. - Tell us where the Bills spent poorly? Poyer? Milano? Diggs? White? Knox? Morse? Von Miller? Which one don't you like? Miller. Thought that was a strategic error. I probably wouldn't have brought Poyer back, either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: He says: "If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' " It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein? This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to. Allen‘s contract was at fair market value when he signed it and the restructure was for the team’s benefit, so Florio has that wrong. Still, Allen would be justified in asking why he hasn’t been given more help on the offensive side of the ball. He’s right about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: He says: "If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' " It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein? This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to. Florio says whatever he believes will give the Patriots an advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gambit said: Problem with that, didn't Josh ask to have both Brown and Bease back last year? If so, he clearly didn't like the weapons he had. They had injuries and depth concerns at WR. Slot is definitely a spot that can add. Beane said the plan was to split slot between Crowder and McKenzie but they never got the chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Most teams can afford a wideout and an edge plus more Right, and looking at the top of our cap spending, we have a top-3 WR, a HoF DE, AND... an All-pro CB, a LT, a Center, 2 DTs, and another top CB. Compared to other teams, all we're missing is another highly touted, highly paid WR2. So maybe one missing piece that Josh (Florio) could ask about. Doesnt seem very news worthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Well, we got Poyer back so there's that. I get what he's trying to point out, but the Bills cap situation was not great to make a splash. LAST offseason was the splash with Von Miller. I think the OL is already better even before the draft and that was arguably the weakest link last season. I expect a rookie or two added.... Not much of a loss at RB and I'd say we have some upside there.... Some interesting adds at WR, and I expect a rookie add. Tremaine Edmunds is OVERPAID by another team, and if we can add an early round rookie that can compete at MLB, I'd say we're in pretty good shape for the season. White HOPEFULLY will be back to 100%, and I've got my fingers crossed for Von Miller by game 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 The Bills are one of the top teams in the NFL in terms of results and talent. Dumb take. Dumb for Bills fans to entertain this. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 It's like some don't understand the basics of math. What did anyone expect? We had no cap space. Allen & others had to restructure just to be able to retain good players we already have. And it's been a solid FA period, even with that. A good starting guard, 2 good receivers who should get solid playing time, and a running back who everyone here is going to love if he can stay healthy. It makes no sense how anyone thinks we could have had a splashy FA period. Our signings have exceeded my expectations. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 38 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: He says: "If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' " It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein? This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to. They signed a decently priced OL player instantly in FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I think it's a decent question if the Bills neglect the offense (again) in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Florio’s take isn’t wrong his belief is that you have a coach and GM who are defense first guys it’s just their way… and you have an all world QB who realizes since Beane barring the Diggs trade is reluctant to use high assets to help you. What exactly is your plan here? Since when I have an off game and defense needs to help me they can’t see the bengals game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Florio’s take isn’t wrong his belief is that you have a coach and GM who are defense first guys it’s just their way… and you have an all world QB who realizes since Beane barring the Diggs trade is reluctant to use high assets to help you. What exactly is your plan here? Since when I have an off game and defense needs to help me they can’t see the bengals game. Defense 1st that throws the football a lot and has one of the highest scoring offenses in the NFL. We can all agree the Beasley replacement didn’t work last year. That’s 1 season. Edited April 18, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They had injuries and depth concerns at WR. Slot is definitely a spot that can add. Beane said the plan was to split slot between Crowder and McKenzie but they never got the chance. For now they have Khalil Shakir penciled in at slot . 6' 4.43 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, ALF said: For now they have Khalil Shakir penciled in at slot . 6' 4.43 I doubt he’s penciled in. They don’t operate that way. Not even Gabe Davis was penciled in his 2nd season and he made a lot more plays as a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Right, and looking at the top of our cap spending, we have a top-3 WR, a HoF DE, AND... an All-pro CB, a LT, a Center, 2 DTs, and another top CB. Compared to other teams, all we're missing is another highly touted, highly paid WR2. So maybe one missing piece that Josh (Florio) could ask about. Doesnt seem very news worthy. I think that's the point tho For those interested here's the breakdown: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills imo it is totally fair to question whether this is a responsible use of the cap re: investing in your offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 45 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: He says: "If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' " It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein? This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to. Except I don't think this draft will tell us anything. Because it is a bad draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Maybe they could invest in teaching him to throw a check down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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