Bills have shown interest in Lavonte David.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He was one of the best off the ball LBs in the NFL last season.

 

 

I don’t know what these people are smokin that say lavante is bottom of the barrel 😂. What the heck is edmunds then by that scale lol

[Nephilim17]

I don't wanna give this guy at three-year deal at his age but one, maybe two years, sure — if the money is right.

Athletes these days are better conditioned and eating better and playing at a top level later than ever. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Nephilim17 said:

I don't wanna give this guy at three-year deal at his age but one, maybe two years, sure — if the money is right.

Athletes these days are better conditioned and eating better and playing at a top level later than ever. 

It’s not your $$$ what’s the difference between 2-3 years? Sign him. The Cap keeps going way up

[Governor]

41 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Really, really, really bad in coverage in 2021, not great in 2022. Maybe McD can coach him up?

I’m not saying I don’t want either old LBers, but Father Time is unbeaten. Losing Edmunds sucks, I think he’ll be harder to replace than fans want to admit… 

 

Hope I’m wrong. 

The defense is going to suck regardless so it doesn’t matter much. I would rather suck in cheaper fashion and spend the resources on the side that matters before Josh demands a trade after next season.

[Dan in Owego]

6 minutes ago, Governor said:

The defense is going to suck regardless so it doesn’t matter much. I would rather suck in cheaper fashion and spend the resources on the side that matters before Josh demands a trade after next season.

While i doubt it will be dominant, i'm quite sure it won't suck. 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

While i doubt it will be dominant, i'm quite sure it won't suck. 

It will likely be the same "bend but don't break" defense.  Keep the long stuff in front of the safeties and stop it.  Just a matter of how effective it is with new personnel.

[Nephilim17]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

It’s not your $$$ what’s the difference between 2-3 years? Sign him. The Cap keeps going way up

No, it's not my money but I don't want the Bills cutting a player after one year into a three-year deal and taking on a chunk of dead cap. A little doesn't kill a team but it adds up.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Nephilim17
Was drinking and typed incorrectly

[Gugny]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Has this dude ever broken any news? I feel like he churns out rumors every year with not a lot of fruit. 

His cousin covers the Bills for upstateny.com or something like that. 
 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

You don’t dedicate 10 million a season to a 32 year old safety who last year started showing his age in coverage and with his body(multiple injuries). This is the perfect time to walk away from him

 

I agree. Wasn't arguing that at all, it has been my position for over a year. Just saying whatever they do at that spot they will miss Jordan. Replacing what the Bills had with Jordan and Micah is nigh on impossible. That level of natural chemistry does not come around often. 

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Interesting post. What were your thoughts on Poyer being out of position at times toward the end of last season and in the playoffs?

 

He was playing on one knee and trying to compensate for the physical limitations by over trusting his instincts - he was guessing to try and get there in time basically. Had Micah Hyde not already been out Jordan Poyer would have been on IR last year. He should not have been our there but he gutted it out for the team because we saw how exposed our safety depth was. Jordan Poyer played at an all pro level for multiple years for the Bills even though the recognition only came in 2021. Ironically he was voted to the ***** Pro Bowl in 2022 during what was comfortably his worst season as a Bill (because of the injury) which is no doubt due to the slew of early interceptions before he tore the knee up. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, brianthomas said:

Idk, we knew what we had didn't we? Thats why we paid them back then & thought of them as the best safety tandem in the league right? The 2 of them worked together like hand in glove & you didnt have to worry about much when they were out there together on the field. Surely a dropoff was to be expected when you lose 1 or both of them?

But them being gone last season is part of the reasoning to move on. Availability is the best ability & Hyde was out the whole year injured & Poyer missed another 4 weeks.

Their availability as they age will not improve... it likely should only get worse. Spending top dollar on 2 safeties past 30 isn't my ideal way to allocate limited resources. All that being said i'd like 1 more year to run it back if Poyer would take it, since on the surface we're so close to the SB & have many other positions to focus on. Otherwise i say move on

 

To an extent, sure. But even then I don't think most fans, or even the organisation, quite realised it. They had exceptional safety play for 5 years straight from two fantastic players who were even better together and hardly missed a game. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

The defense is going to suck regardless so it doesn’t matter much. I would rather suck in cheaper fashion and spend the resources on the side that matters before Josh demands a trade after next season.

This is such a troll post
The defense was top-five last year, and so far the only thing that we have actually lost from. It is the linebacker.

 

Regression is possible it’s not going to suck

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This is such a troll post
The defense was top-five last year, and so far the only thing that we have actually lost from. It is the linebacker.

 

Regression is possible it’s not going to suck

Well they sure have sucked in elimination games, which is what matters. 
 

Being a regular season bully against crap QBs isn’t moving my needle. 
 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Well they sure have sucked in elimination games, which is what matters. 
 

Being a regular season bully against crap QBs isn’t moving my needle. 
 

The Eagles and 49ers, had the very top defenses and it didn’t matter whenever the 🦅 got to the Super Bowl
 

These things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. You can have a good defense that needs help. Once you start playing against playoff teams it still doesn’t make it a bad defense.

 

We need more playmakers on offense that is obvious

[MJS]

5 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He had a good amount of TFL (10) but lots of missed as well (9).

 

I’d pass on him till wave 2 or 3.

Most of the defense has double digit missed tackle rates. 6.8% is not that bad. Edmunds was like the only player on our defense with a decent missed tackle rate last year.

Edited March 14, 2023 by MJS

[LeGOATski]

I would love this signing. Due to the loss of Edmunds, the Bills have to spin their wheels at LB, but depending on who the sign/draft will determine if the keep climbing or get stuck in the mud.

[JGMcD2]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

Being a regular season bully against crap QBs isn’t moving my needle.

Per PFF grades we played 3 top 10 QBs last year.

 

We went 3-1. Only loss was the first Miami game. 

 

 

[Johnnyp566]

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

[Buffalo03]

10 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

No, it's not my money but I don't want the Bills cutting a cut after one year into a three-year deal and taking on a chunk of dead cap. A little doesn't kill a team but it adds up.

How do you cut a cut?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said:

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

So tell us all what is the alternative reliable source?  We're all ears?

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

I don't wanna give this guy at three-year deal at his age but one, maybe two years, sure — if the money is right.

Athletes these days are better conditioned and eating better and playing at a top level later than ever. 

everyone posts this....you forgot to add team friendly deal

[Warriorspikes51]

2 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said:

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

Not a reliable source. 

Sal C retweeted it so I'd say it's credible we are interested in signing him 

[Nebillzfan]

Watching the YouTube highlights of David and his speed and knowledge is what we need at linebacker. To me it makes too much sense as well. 

[Nephilim17]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

How do you cut a cut?

It starts with some cheap but easy-drinking Pilsner and ends with some double vodkas.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, Nebillzfan said:

Watching the YouTube highlights of David and his speed and knowledge is what we need at linebacker. To me it makes too much sense as well. 

For sure, I just worry about Father Time (idk why my phone keeps capitalizing that). Every single one of our 32+ aged players last year either hit a wall or sustained serious injuries.

 

Holcomb would be a good pickup too, though.

 

Raasan Evans and Leighton Vander Esh are great athletes and run defenders, LVE was great vs pass as a rookie, but both struggled last year vs the pass

[Cray51]

David is an ELITE linebacker.  He allows Devon White to play the way he does - downhill, attacking football.

 

David can cover incredibly well, and is a sure tackler.  He would do a fantastic job in this defense, as we force our MLB to dissect and manage this defense play to play.

 

He would be a top target on a one or two year deal while his body is up to the task

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Per PFF grades we played 3 top 10 QBs last year.

 

We went 3-1. Only loss was the first Miami game. 

 

 

 

That's great........being able to beat KC early in the season the past two years should have been part of attaining the #1 seed( if not for the annual mid-season McMalaise).

 

But playoff football is where they lag.

 

The Bills defense hasn't been able to raise their level of play against good QB's when needed in the playoffs..........which appears to be an issue with the system......and the system is built around Tremaine...........and other contenders have been able to adapt better to their opponents.   

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

I think I’d rather bring back poyer than sign a 33 year old LB.  

[JohnNord]

16 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He’s an older player but I think they need him

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That's great........being able to beat KC early in the season the past two years should have been part of attaining the #1 seed( if not for the annual mid-season McMalaise).

 

But playoff football is where they lag.

 

The Bills defense hasn't been able to raise their level of play against good QB's when needed in the playoffs..........which appears to be an issue with the system......and the system is built around Tremaine...........and other contenders have been able to adapt better to their opponents.   

 

 

Being one of the only perennial playoff teams to feature a defensive minded head coach is only tenable if your defense consistently produces in big playoff moments, and ours very clearly has not done so.

Something's got to change, and they're clearly sticking with McDermott (as they should, at this point). Hopefully letting Tremaine walk and having our first signing be a guard is a sign that the front office realizes this.

[Solomon Grundy]

47 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

David is an ELITE linebacker.  He allows Devon White to play the way he does - downhill, attacking football.

 

David can cover incredibly well, and is a sure tackler.  He would do a fantastic job in this defense, as we force our MLB to dissect and manage this defense play to play.

 

He would be a top target on a one or two year deal while his body is up to the task

Or Bobby Wagner

[RyanC883]

don't get my hopes up.  

 

It's likely that Bean gets a LB to fill Edmunds, I hope it's an impact player, even for 1-2 years so a rookie does not need to start ASAP.  That said, I don't want to overpay (even Klien would be ok) at the determent of a WR or another OL.  

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

And Edmunds had 1 missed tackle all year and was better vs the pass. 
 

It’s all a moot point now, but let’s all stop acting like Edmunds was garbage, he did things better than Wagner/David did last year due to his superior athleticism and isn’t even in his prime. He did some things worse because he doesn’t yet still have great instincts and probably had too much responsibility.
 

If Bills land Davis/Wagner, awesome. They are instinctive vets who have a tendency for big wow plays.

 

IMO it’s a wash between them, you trade off. I’m worried about if we DON’T land David/Wagner, because now we might be talking significant downgrade. 

 

I'm not talking about Edmunds.

 

Look, first you said about David:  "He’s honestly a pretty significant downgrade at his age."

 

Now you are saying it would be "awesome" to get a guy like him----AND you're worried that not getting a guy like him will lead to "a significant downgrade".

 

lol--come on!

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm not talking about Edmunds.

 

Look, first you said about David:  "He’s honestly a pretty significant downgrade at his age."

 

Now you are saying it would be "awesome" to get a guy like him----AND you're worried that not getting a guy like him will lead to "a significant downgrade".

 

lol--come on!

My first take was wrong as I didn’t consider coverage know-how to make up for a decline athletically. I own that poor judgement and wording. I still think Edmunds was better vs the pass than David and Wagner, but that’s a moot point now. 
 

Instincts wise they should be a big upgrade, as long as they stay healthy. 

 

 

 

 

[DCOrange]

As someone that grew up a Bucs fan and still roots for Tampa, this would be awesome. Assuming this isn't the year that father time comes calling, David would be an upgrade over Edmunds at a cheaper price point.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

My first take was wrong as I didn’t consider coverage know-how to make up for a decline athletically. I own that poor judgement and wording. I still think Edmunds was better vs the pass than David and Wagner, but that’s a moot point now. 
 

Instincts wise they should be a big upgrade, as long as they stay healthy. 

 

 

 

 

I don't recall seeing amazing coverage skills during the Houston, Cincy and KC playoff loses.  I'd be perfectly fine with Klein or Al-Shaair/ Vander Esch type around 7M.  Lavonte would also do just nicely on a 2 yr deal but it'll cost 9M/ yr.  So take your pick?

[Southern_Bills]

5 hours ago, Nebillzfan said:

Watching the YouTube highlights of David and his speed and knowledge is what we need at linebacker. To me it makes too much sense as well. 

 

Him and Milano would be a problem. Both are instinctive and have a high football IQ. Opposing QBs wouldn't like this duo.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Him and Milano would be a problem. Both are instinctive and have a high football IQ. Opposing QBs wouldn't like this duo.

B I N G O!!! 

[NewEra]

This would be such a huge get

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That's great........being able to beat KC early in the season the past two years should have been part of attaining the #1 seed( if not for the annual mid-season McMalaise).

 

But playoff football is where they lag.

 

The Bills defense hasn't been able to raise their level of play against good QB's when needed in the playoffs..........which appears to be an issue with the system......and the system is built around Tremaine...........and other contenders have been able to adapt better to their opponents.   

 

 

Everyone should read this post and reread it several times. 

 

100% spot on post. 

[Warriorspikes51]

DO IT NOW!