78thealltimegreat Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I’d love to have Jordan back but hey it’s the market… someone like Duron Harmon or Adrian Amos I wouldn’t exactly hate the Bills signing to pair with Micah https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free-agent-rankings-safety 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I'd add Taylor Rapp from LA, and also draft a Safety somewhere. Great potential there and likely affordable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, Yantha said: I'd add Taylor Rapp from LA, and also draft a Safety somewhere. Great potential there and likely affordable. Sydney Brown(Illinois) or Riley Moss(Iowa) are good late round prospects at safety 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Terrell Edmunds. Lose an Edmunds, add an Edmunds. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Like the optimism, but not sure of the feasibility. Before this season, were one to project that McBeane would have to address so much for ‘23, most would have scoffed. Wasn’t keen on them until JA17 started wowing, but now feel they deserve to be entrusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Like the optimism, but not sure of the feasibility. Before this season, were one to project that McBeane would have to address so much for ‘23, most would have scoffed. Wasn’t keen on them until JA17 started wowing, but now feel they deserve to be entrusted yes, McBeanes have earned our trust. 55-21 the past 4 years just doesn't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Sydney Brown(Illinois) or Riley Moss(Iowa) are good late round prospects at safety Yep, just check that medical on Moss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 John Johnson if cut by Browns could be a 2nd wave signing. Problem being he is a deep field cover guy which is primarily Hyde's gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I may ultimately be proven wrong but the safety position is way down my list of roster concerns going into 2023. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Probably an unpopular opinion: With all of the injury concerns he showed this season combined with his age I think it's better to let him walk. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 This tax issue is real, and may account for Buffalo having some issues signing free agents. Buffalo Bills player Jordan Poyer is the latest to slam New York taxes and says he’d ‘love to go to a state that doesn’t take half my money’ (yahoo.com) Just now, bigK14094 said: This tax issue is real, and may account for Buffalo having some issues signing free agents. Buffalo Bills player Jordan Poyer is the latest to slam New York taxes and says he’d ‘love to go to a state that doesn’t take half my money’ (yahoo.com) Sorry, the link didn't come over? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 With payroll so top heavy, this team needs an injection of young cheap talent. The pro and college scouting depts have their work cut out this offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: This tax issue is real, and may account for Buffalo having some issues signing free agents. Buffalo Bills player Jordan Poyer is the latest to slam New York taxes and says he’d ‘love to go to a state that doesn’t take half my money’ (yahoo.com) Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% 4 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: Probably an unpopular opinion: With all of the injury concerns he showed this season combined with his age I think it's better to let him walk. Poyer has been amazing. He also had some mental errors back there this season. He's not the same player he was even a year ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Malazan said: Poyer has been amazing. He also had some mental errors back there this season. He's not the same player he was even a year ago. He also had to cover for Hyde's replacements and young corners screwing up a lot. Edited March 2, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Yantha said: I'd add Taylor Rapp from LA, and also draft a Safety somewhere. Great potential there and likely affordable. I think the draft piece has to depend on what McBeane truly think of Benford, no? I'd let Poyer walk, sign a vet S, transition Benford and bring back Marlowe. That gives us Hyde - Vet Safety, with Benford and Marlowe as depth. Hamlin, we'll see how that goes. Then draft a CB on Day 3 to compete with Dane Jackson for depth behind White and Elam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I wouldn't mind if we snagged Julian Love and then drafted a guy on Day 3. Maybe a guy like JL Skinner, who could possibly drop because of a torn pec. Big, athletic freak type of player who loves to hit people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthekeg Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think the draft piece has to depend on what McBeane truly think of Benford, no? I'd let Poyer walk, sign a vet S, transition Benford and bring back Marlowe. That gives us Hyde - Vet Safety, with Benford and Marlowe as depth. Hamlin, we'll see how that goes. Then draft a CB on Day 3 to compete with Dane Jackson for depth behind White and Elam. Have they actually said anything about this in an official capacity? I have seen a sorts of fans and talking heads talking about it, but is there anything from the Bills saying they are going to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Gregthekeg said: Have they actually said anything about this in an official capacity? I have seen a sorts of fans and talking heads talking about it, but is there anything from the Bills saying they are going to do that? I'm pretty sure Beane and/or McDermott made mention that Benford could move to Safety. Nothing concrete, but they've definitely addressed the possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 hours ago, RG Murdock said: Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% When you account for total tax burden (Income Tax, Property Tax, Sales Tax, etc.) New York is the highest taxed state in the union. Yay, we're #1 in something. https://taxfoundation.org/tax-burden-by-state-2022/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 14 hours ago, uticaclub said: Terrell Edmunds. Loose an Edmunds, add an Edmunds. Steelers fans in understand don’t like their Edmunds either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Josh Johnson please 9 minutes ago, boater said: When you account for total tax burden (Income Tax, Property Tax, Sales Tax, etc.) New York is the highest taxed state in the union. Yay, we're #1 in something. https://taxfoundation.org/tax-burden-by-state-2022/ You make up for it by paying $1000 less a month on your mortgage tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 hours ago, RG Murdock said: Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% This chart is wrong. PA is only 3.07. https://www.revenue.pa.gov/Tax Rates/Pages/default.aspx Poyer is also likely accounting for county and other taxes. Meanwhile, NYS tax is higher than in the chart, and for Poyer, likely 9.65% https://www.thebalancemoney.com/new-york-personal-income-tax-3193284 3 hours ago, RG Murdock said: Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% Not only is the above chart wrong (some states listed too high, others too low); but FL is not a net "taker". The state tax levels have zero impact on how federal taxes are distributed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, RG Murdock said: Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% he’s going to hate finding out federal tax was the issue and that half his game checks weren’t even taxed in NY Edited March 2, 2023 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Not to mention the Bills very likely could sign a guy who is currently a NB on another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Steelers fans in understand don’t like their Edmunds either This one is cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, NoSaint said: he’s going to hate finding out federal tax was the issue and that half his game checks weren’t even taxed in NY Pretty sure all of his bonuses which were close to 50% of his income last season are taxed at the state the team pays taxes to. Poyer earned $10.27 million or $10.01 depending on the source. $4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS $5.6 million was game day checks - half of those were played in NY so $2.8 million more was NYS taxable 4.4+2.8 = 7.2 4.6+2.8 = 7.4 either number you use, over 70% of his income was taxed by NYS income over $5m is taxed at 10.3% Its also not that hard to compare a game day check earned in NY, versus one earned in FL and see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Pretty sure all of his bonuses which were close to 50% of his income last season are taxed at the state the team pays taxes to. Poyer earned $10.27 million or $10.01 depending on the source. $4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS $5.6 million was game day checks - half of those were played in NY so $2.8 million more was NYS taxable 4.4+2.8 = 7.2 4.6+2.8 = 7.4 either number you use, over 70% of his income was taxed by NYS income over $5m is taxed at 10.3% Its also not that hard to compare a game day check earned in NY, versus one earned in FL and see the difference. Yes but 10% of 70% is not “half my check” status either if we are auditing claims 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Jordan is gone. He deleted all his Buffalo Bills pics and everything Bills related from his IG. See ya dude. Your time here was awesome, but your time as an elite player is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Just get Harrison Smith, problem solved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 10 hours ago, SCBills said: I think the draft piece has to depend on what McBeane truly think of Benford, no? I'd let Poyer walk, sign a vet S, transition Benford and bring back Marlowe. That gives us Hyde - Vet Safety, with Benford and Marlowe as depth. Hamlin, we'll see how that goes. Then draft a CB on Day 3 to compete with Dane Jackson for depth behind White and Elam. I don't know actually. Is this Benford "our" idea, or has Beane talked about it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 13 hours ago, freddyjj said: John Johnson if cut by Browns could be a 2nd wave signing. Problem being he is a deep field cover guy which is primarily Hyde's gig. Replace a safety from Browns for safety from Browns? People will start talking. One thing we will never get like we got with Jordan Poyer is a safety who would go one-on-one on an offense lineman and push him back. I was in a bar and and was asked who that LB was and I told him it was our safety pushing the lineman whose reaction was "Who the F are you?" (Lesley pulled a DL around end in a blitz and Poyer was supposed to occupy lineman and he did more) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: $4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS If this figure includes signing bonus prorated for the year, then maybe not. Someone posted an article by sports accountants and it said that signing bonuses could be taxable by state of residence. Not sure his state of residence. Now if some of this includes other bonuses, I'm not sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Bruffalo said: Probably an unpopular opinion: With all of the injury concerns he showed this season combined with his age I think it's better to let him walk. Fortunately it seems the Bills agree with this line of thinking. As productive as Poyer has been, you don't spend significant money for a 32 year old player at a non premium position given our limited resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 11:28 PM, uticaclub said: Terrell Edmunds. Lose an Edmunds, add an Edmunds. Do you think the Edmunds Brothers try to team up? Buffalo? Pittsburgh? Or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 21 hours ago, RG Murdock said: Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous..... Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!) Not an excuse. The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are: California 13.3% Hawaii 11% New Jersey 10.75% Oregon 9.9% Pennsylvania 9.8 Minnesota 9.85% Washington 8.95% New York 8.82% Iowa 8.53% Wisconsin 7.65% Not sure where you are getting your info from, but New York's highest rate is 10.9%. This is third highest state in the nation behind California and Hawaii. Federal is what does the most damage, though, with a 37% bracket. So Poyer is likely paying half his money to taxes, but the bulk is federal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 22 hours ago, somnus00 said: With payroll so top heavy, this team needs an injection of young cheap talent. The pro and college scouting depts have their work cut out this offseason. Well thought out point. We need a hit in this years draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: Jordan is gone. He deleted all his Buffalo Bills pics and everything Bills related from his IG. See ya dude. Your time here was awesome, but your time as an elite player is over. Hope he realizes that when he does that fans are less likely to donate to his charity as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 10:14 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: I’d love to have Jordan back but hey it’s the market… someone like Duron Harmon or Adrian Amos I wouldn’t exactly hate the Bills signing to pair with Micah https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free-agent-rankings-safety What about bringing the Edmunds in and keeping the brothers together. I think 49 has his best years ahead of him and I honestly wasn’t very impressed his first few seasons. But I believe the youngster is coming along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Get someone younger and cheaper. Spend the difference on the OL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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