Beane’s mediocre draft record

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 hours ago, Billl said:

Traded for Diggs

Need more than Diggs and Josh

[NastyNateSoldiers]

10 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Stop looking around for players and coaches to blame. The last 4 drafts haven’t given this team a single star. 
A couple decent role players like Oliver, Rousseau, Knox, Singletary and Dane and that’s about it.  Brutal misses like AJ, Boogie, Moss and Ford. 
The most egregious being the OL and DL.  
So when Josh plays bad, this team is not good because Beane has done an awful job in 1-3 rounds the last 4 years. 

I agree, I guess some people don’t like the truth around here. Beane is borderline average at drafting in top 3 rds of draft. His players are not monumental busts but none are elite either. He does his best work in rds 4-7 . This team desperately needs some talent in the trenches . We’re not built for the weather conditions in yesterday game. 

[Matt_In_NH]

8 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

That is not a misprint WGR did some research and found the last Bills player drafted to make a pro bowl is Wyatt Teller who as we all know isn’t here right now. 
Brandon Beane your draft picks got exposed today. 

That same year they drafted Edmunds  and Allen who have made the pro bowl.   Saying teller is the most recent is like a twin arguing he is older than his brother by one minute. 
 

they have players but no superstars since.  But it is also true the bills have the highest percentage of draft picks on the team in recent years. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

That same year they drafted Edmunds  and Allen who have made the pro bowl.   Saying teller is the most recent is like a twin arguing he is older than his brother by one minute. 
 

they have players but no superstars since.  But it is also true the bills have the highest percentage of draft picks on the team in recent years. 

There is no defending him after that game yesterday. None of his draft picks on D showed up 

[Matt_In_NH]

6 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

We’re not built for the weather conditions in yesterday game

My opinion.  They did not game plan for the weather conditions yesterday.  They come out playing all zone and watch them get to a 14 point lead before adjusting.  They should have known they had to play more man.  I understand they are not built for man like they are for zone but they could have put up a better plan. 
 

on offense they were handing it to cook on a wide sweep when he had no ability to put his foot in the ground d and cut.  They simply did  not plan for the conditions. 

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

There is no defending him after that game yesterday. None of his draft picks on D showed up 

 Or really defending him just being pragmatic 

[chef4131]

I think Isiah Hodgins and Wyatt Teller had solid seasons 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Need more than Diggs and Josh

This is a perennial 5-12/6-11 team without Allen who shoulders more than any player in the history of the game.

[peterpan]

Part of draft I do believe is coaching.  I’m not sure Allen is as good as he is without Daboll.  we saw him regress this year with his Footwork and pocket presence with Daboll gone.

 

 

also another point I’d like to make - TRADE YOUR DRAFT PICKS.   We got Diggs with a trade.  Dolphin got hill with a trade.  SF got mccaffrey in a trade.  We had no safety’s before the trade deadline - no trade for one.  We finished the game with #4 at Safety.  I have to use his jersey number because I don’t know the name of our 5th string FS. 

[DCOrange]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

With Von Miller coming back and Rousseau in his 3rd season I don't see DL as a big need. They could use to add a DT in the 3rd round or later but they're pretty much set on the DL until 2024. We were down our two best DL today. That's just unlucky, not a reason to panic. WR, OG, OT, safety, in that order are all bigger needs. The defense overall does not need a lot of investment this offseason. Put all of our available resources into the offense.

We have no idea what version of Von we’re getting next season and Rousseau hasn’t shown much reason to believe he can be our best pass rusher either.

 

Don’t get me wrong, I want us to prioritize WR and OLine, but DL is still very much a serious need IMO. 

[Nitro]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Eh this is the 3rd offseason in a row I'm going into it wondering if Oliver will finally put a complete season together next year. He's been mostly invisible since after Thanksgiving. This is where someone will mention his pectoral injury as an excuse but like Josh Allen said some players figure it out and some players get figured out. Still waiting for Oliver to figure it out. He's here next year no matter what and we can live with him as our starter but I'm not planning my future around him. If we have to push salary into 2024/2025 in order to make a splash move for an offensive player and that means we ultimately let Oliver walk I won't lose any sleep over that.

AS an undersized DT he needs a space eating DT next to him.  That is where a problem may have popped up with injuries to Daquan Jones and Jordan Phillips.  

[HappyDays]

 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

I don’t know how you can defend his track record at this point. I think he’s a great person personally but he’s got a generational talent at QB who’s legs have a limited shelf life.  4 straight years of non impact role players is just gonna waste another golden opportunity for the Bills. 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I say it half jokingly, but seriously, how many needs do we have that you’d rank ahead of the DL? There’s a few for sure but DL remains a major need for us unfortunately. We just can’t get it right. 

 

They're not great, but I'm willing to let them suffer for a season.  O-line, WR and RB. 

 

Should have pulled the trigger on McCaffrey.

[ngbills]

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

 

Keep going all the way back to 2000. It’s insane how badly we have drafted for decades. There are hardly any elite stars during this stretch. Without Allen and Diggs, we would be in major trouble. 

[Einstein]

I know the Pro Bowl is nonsense, but that’s still remarkable. I don’t think we even went 4 years without drafting a Pro-Bowler during the drought, did we?

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Einstein

[Gunsgoodtime]

Take away Josh Allen, and mediocre would be a compliment. He has been awful drafting the last few years and now it is catching up to them and hurting the team.  It looked like a college game yesterday with the difference in talent on the field.  I dont look for it to change either, not with this Defensive regime

15 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

That same year they drafted Edmunds  and Allen who have made the pro bowl.   Saying teller is the most recent is like a twin arguing he is older than his brother by one minute. 
 

they have players but no superstars since.  But it is also true the bills have the highest percentage of draft picks on the team in recent years. 

That would be an impressive stat, if most of them didn't stink

[BuffaloRebound]

I think part of it is drafting players for a stale non-aggressive defensive system, part lack of opportunity due to a quality roster, and part just missing on guys.  

[Chaos]

The real question: Is Beane still a wizard?



https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/search/?q=wizard beane&quick=1

[Shortchaz]

Bass hasn’t made a pro bowl?

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The real question: Is Beane still a wizard?
 

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

On 1/22/2023 at 7:22 PM, Mynamemike said:

Call me crazy but I could see Pegula firing Beane and keeping McDermott.  Sean was here before Brandon and Beane hasn’t been all that great with the picks he’s used on the defensive side of the ball. We went all in with the Von contract and that is gonna hurt us next year.  
 

Beane and Frazier out.  Dorsey stays imo especially if we lose Joe Brady.  McDermott is too close and has done too much for Terry to can him, for better or for worse.

Another Mike here ... (real name) 

I think this is a reasonable hypothesis. The real systemic problem I am beginning to think is Brandon Beane's poor drafting.

[Scott7975]

23 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Chiefs got a more productive and faster RB in the 7th round than we got in the second round.  That is how teams get better,  hitting on late picks

 

I think that is more to do with our coaches and o line.  Our coaches dont seem to like to develop rookies and put them on the field.  Our offense doesnt like to run the ball much so how would one develop much anyhow.  I dont think Dorsey even knows how to use players like that.  Our O line is terrible so the backs dont get the same holes other teams get.  If a team like the Jets drafted Cook, I bet he would have looked like a stud on that team.

[BillsVet]

2 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Another Mike here ... (real name) 

I think this is a reasonable hypothesis. The real systemic problem I am beginning to think is Brandon Beane's poor drafting.

 

I just like that your screen name currently shows you have 180 posts, or the year Marcus Aurelius died.  

 

If anything, their 1st round picks indicate that their board is weighted toward defense with 5 1sts out of 7 used there.  That strikes me more as a McD influence than the GM.  

 

I'll go back to being stoic now. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Yep - the problem is the front office more than coaching.  The drafts have been bad; incredibly, pro personnel scouting has been even worse.  ONE value free agent (DaQuan Jones) in Beane’s entire tenure.

 

ONE.

[BillsVet]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yep - the problem is the front office more than coaching.  The drafts have been bad; incredibly, pro personnel scouting has been even worse.  ONE value free agent (DaQuan Jones) in Beane’s entire tenure.

 

ONE.

 

They had RT Daryl Williams on a 1 year deal for 2020...whom they then re-signed and promptly stopped playing hard.  But yeah...not much talent for a lot of big UFA money over their tenure.

 

But it's the price you pay when the the drafting doesn't result in many value types there either.  For all their "wizardry" McBeane have drafted (to date) in 6 years one decent OL, 1 TE, and 1 WR3 (Davis).  But sure spent a lot of picks on RB, DL, DB...many of whom are OK, but not the money positions or not solid starters.  I'd say aside from Milano and Taron Johnson they've gotten nothing in the way of good starters from Round 3 and beyond.  

 

Lot of work to do.  

[The Jokeman]

48 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yep - the problem is the front office more than coaching.  The drafts have been bad; incredibly, pro personnel scouting has been even worse.  ONE value free agent (DaQuan Jones) in Beane’s entire tenure.

 

ONE.

Quinton Spain was good during his one season here, I don't think John Brown was over paid. I could continue but am sure you'd dispute it. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Quinton Spain was good during his one season here, I don't think John Brown was over paid. I could continue but am sure you'd dispute it. 

 

Won't speak for others but yea, I'd add those two and Williams and Beas. Williams and Spain went south after extensions were signed  

[Manther]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:10 PM, Best Williams Available said:

Everyone plays their rookies except McD. Then Beane will sign a geezer off the street to take a rookies spot to “learn under”. Babying these players for 3 years to earn trust in them forces you to drag their assessment out, when all you had to do was put them in games and assess their development from the beginning.

Totally agree.  

 

The DL draft picks bother me due to the "process".  If you are going to rotate your DLine as much as we do, why would we spend high draft picks on rotational players.  Part time players with picks in the first 2 rounds.

 

And, if you look at AJ and Boogie...they have been asked to make major physical and style changes.  They are 2 & 3 years into a 4 year contract, haven't played much and we don't know what we have.  

 

It is a flawed approach where the system does not set up well with the player acquisition.

[Wayne Cubed]

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yep - the problem is the front office more than coaching.  The drafts have been bad; incredibly, pro personnel scouting has been even worse.  ONE value free agent (DaQuan Jones) in Beane’s entire tenure.

 

ONE.

 

Also, teams that have drafted fewer WRs since 2018 in the first 3 rounds than the Bills? NONE. San Fran has drafted 5 WRs in the first 3 rounds since 2018. The Bills have drafted 5 DL since 2018 in the first 3 rounds. Teams that have drafted more? NONE.

[Mopreme]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:50 PM, Niagara Dude said:

Bernard was a total waste,  another high motor no size or speed player who will but cut in 2years. Had he drafted Metcalf or Brown they would not have had to trade for Diggs and could have drafted Jefferson. Everyone hails him as genius but he has blown many picks and it has cost us.

 

 

Wow. Metcalf and Jefferson. Beane is a bum. 

[Marcus Aurelius]

10 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I just like that your screen name currently shows you have 180 posts, or the year Marcus Aurelius died.  

 

If anything, their 1st round picks indicate that their board is weighted toward defense with 5 1sts out of 7 used there.  That strikes me more as a McD influence than the GM.  

 

I'll go back to being stoic now. 

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam!

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Also, teams that have drafted fewer WRs since 2018 in the first 3 rounds than the Bills? NONE. San Fran has drafted 5 WRs in the first 3 rounds since 2018. The Bills have drafted 5 DL since 2018 in the first 3 rounds. Teams that have drafted more? NONE.

Wow. Worse than you think it is.  😱

 

This post is such an eye opener, it deserves to be its own thread and pinned right through the draft.  

Edited January 24, 2023 by LabattBlue

[Wayne Cubed]

15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Wow. Worse than you think it is.  😱

 

This post is such an eye opener, it deserves to be its own thread and pinned right through the draft.  

 

It's pretty mental when you think about it. Beane has failed Josh to my eyes.

[mannc]

38 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

It's pretty mental when you think about it. Beane has failed Josh to my eyes.

The Bills have the rarest and most precious asset in today’s NFL: A certified franchise quarterback, a guy who can win you games when everything else is going wrong.   Beane of course deserves credit for drafting Josh Allen (and he probably would have been fired by now if he had not) but from that day forward, he and McDermott should be judged by one standard: How well have they leveraged this most precious asset?

 

Unfortunately, the answer is “poorly”.  Instead of loading up the offense to take advantage of JA, they have used most of their premium picks (and FA $) on a defense that still can’t slow down good offenses.  The real bottom line is this: With Mahomes, the Chiefs have won a Super Bowl and reached the AFCC every year. The Bengals with two years of prime Burrow have reached the Super Bowl and at least the AFCC game this year.  With three years of prime JA, we’ve reached one AFCC in which we were blown out.  That represents a huge failure by the FO and the HC.  How are these same guys going to turn that around?  I have no idea…

[Best Williams Available]

3 hours ago, Manther said:

Totally agree.  

 

The DL draft picks bother me due to the "process".  If you are going to rotate your DLine as much as we do, why would we spend high draft picks on rotational players.  Part time players with picks in the first 2 rounds.

 

And, if you look at AJ and Boogie...they have been asked to make major physical and style changes.  They are 2 & 3 years into a 4 year contract, haven't played much and we don't know what we have.  

 

It is a flawed approach where the system does not set up well with the player acquisition.

Dude look at Elam. Round 1 pick from SEC school and “has to earn it”, while Cincy put a 2nd round Cam Taylor Britt starting the whole year and this rookie from crappy Nebraska (I live here) shut down Big Game Gabe Davis. This frustrates me to no end.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

The Bills have the rarest and most precious asset in today’s NFL: A certified franchise quarterback, a guy who can win you games when everything else is going wrong.   Beane of course deserves credit for drafting Josh Allen (and he probably would have been fired by now if he had not) but from that day forward, he and McDermott should be judged by one standard: How well have they leveraged this most precious asset?

 

Unfortunately, the answer is “poorly”.  Instead of loading up the offense to take advantage of JA, they have used most of their premium picks (and FA $) on a defense that still can’t slow down good offenses.  The real bottom line is this: With Mahomes, the Chiefs have won a Super Bowl and reached the AFCC every year. The Bengals with two years of prime Burrow have reached the Super Bowl and at least the AFCC game this year.  With three years of prime JA, we’ve reached one AFCC in which we were blown out.  That represents a huge failure by the FO and the HC.  How are these same guys going to turn that around?  I have no idea…

Its just like I asked in another thread, How many years can one go without making the SB with Josh Allen as your QB and not get fired?   The media is calling for it now.

[Brand J]

OBD should institute a live poll during the draft with 5 players they’re considering. Then have Bills fans pick the player. I have no doubt this team would be in a better position if such a thing existed.

[TheFunPolice]

Beane hit on the QB, which buys you 5-7 years. 

 

Sadly, all the draft assets of any significance seem to go to defense, and this year I expect the same. Gotta replace Poyer, and you ALWAYS need a 1st or 2nd rounder on the DL who can stand there and get manhandled by the OL. 

 

I expect CB/S and DL in the first 2 picks. Those of you who aren't Edmunds fans better PRAY he gets re-signed or there is ZERO chance of a WR until at least round 3, because they'll add LB to the mix for rounds 1 and 2. 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Eastport bills]

Beane has benefited from the Allen pick and Diggs trade. His off-season acquisitions have been just OK. This off season is crucial. KC bounced back from losing Hill and the loss of Edwards-Helaire by adding 2 dynamic rbs that give them an explosive run game. They added JuJu. Marquez Scantling and picked up Toney midseason to arguably make them better at receiver. We need a creative manipulation to improve this roster amidst cap issues which were self inflicted wounds. The Bills fans don’t need reasons why improvement can’t happen. They need to maximize Josh’s prime. If Beane can’t do it, next off-season should be directed by someone else. Any team with a HOF QB has a window to get a championship.