Beane’s mediocre draft record

[iccrewman112]

4 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

A couple decent role players like Oliver, Rousseau, Knox, Singletary and Dane and that’s about it.  

a top 10 pick isn’t supposed to be a role player!

[uticaclub]

15 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Context.  Needs to the team versus talent in the draft.  Some drafts do not have the talent you want but you get the best available.  Take Epenesa.  They needed a pass rusher.  Did not have one on the roster to pair with Hughes.  When the Bills were up in the second round, he was it.  If you look at the guys taken after him you will find roll players.  No impact players.  Saying it was a bad draft is flaccid without the totality of analysis. 

Now look at interior linemen when we took Oliver

[DCOrange]

24 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

No f'n way, unless a top prospect happens to fall.

I say it half jokingly, but seriously, how many needs do we have that you’d rank ahead of the DL? There’s a few for sure but DL remains a major need for us unfortunately. We just can’t get it right. 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

6.5 sacks this season isn't poor production. 

You didn’t mention that he only had 13 total tackles and fell to #4 on the depth chart even after Von went down. So obviously the coaches think he’s not very good as well.  It’s also his 3rd year and you’d hope for him to at least push to be a starter.

[Nitro]

14 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

AJ was never a pure pass rusher.  Aj would been much better off keeping or even adding weight and playing 5 tech or even playing 3.  He was never a bender or an athlete -  he was heavy handed and powerful with good technique and that’s how he got to the QB.  Instead we draft him and slim him down taking away his best asset, which was power and he’s been completely useless since coming here.  So instead of drafting need, which there were other players on the board that we needed, why not draft the best player or trade back?  How’s that context?

Yet the team needed a compliment to Hughes.  6.5 sacks this year is a solid return for a guy who rotates in.  What McD and Frazier wanted out of him is a different conversation. 

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

You didn’t mention that he only had 13 total tackles and fell to #4 on the depth chart even after Von went down. So obviously the coaches think he’s not very good as well.  It’s also his 3rd year and you’d hope for him to at least push to be a starter.

Yetur Gross-Matos was a 2nd Rounder in the same draft and started all 17 games for the Panthers this season. He had 2.5 sacks, I guess Beane was dumb for not trading up for him huh? 

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Wait are you serious?  KC has gotten a ton of production and snaps from 6 of their top 7 picks this year.  Karlaftis, Mcduffie and Watson all start. Moore, Cooke, WIliams and Chenal all play a ton.  

Cody Ford, AJ, Boogie?

Benford, Elam, Cook did nothing? Even the others played at points. Most top DEs star of the bat, McDuffie was hurt much of the season and Watson JUST started coming on. Hence the trade for Toney.

AJ has had moments, few, as has Boogie as far back as last week. C’mon now. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by WyoAZBillfan

[Billl]

1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Benford, Elam, Cook did nothing? Even the others played at points. Most top DEs star of the bat, McDuffie was hurt much of the season and Watson JUST started coming on. Hence the trade for Toney.

AJ has had moments, few, as has Boogie as far back as last week. C’mon now. 

Watson is a CB.  He had nothing to do with the Toney trade.  And McDuffie is a number 1 Corner.

[BananaB]

Is it the Beane or is it the slow way McD grooms his players? 

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, balln said:

Pacheco rb kc - is absolutely impactful 

now rb 1

 

karlaftis de kc. Gets pressure . Looks like he belongs in the nfl unlike aje 

Yup, not horrible for a RB (Cook been that bad when given chances? Pacheco didn’t start until mid season after the others did zip, zero and nada. DE is expected to perform when in top of draft (see giants and lions), not everyone baby steps draft picks like the Bills. They are just much better than say AJE or Maybin lol

[buffblue]

5 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Is it the Beane or is it the slow way McD grooms his players? 

I'm not a McD critic but this is a fair point to raise. Our player usage and development is very questionable at times

[Nitro]

14 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Now look at interior linemen when we took Oliver

Lindstrom OG was taken 14 and Bradberry C at 18.  Lindstrom finally made a pro bowl this year and Bradberry did not get his option picked up.  Taking Oliver up grade the interior D line with Star, Harrison Phillips and Jordan Phillips.  Oliver is a keeper IMO

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I'm not a McD critic but this is a fair point to raise. Our player usage and development is very questionable at times

McD is slow to use young guys.  Only way to learn is through play and they will make mistakes.  

[WyoAZBillfan]

11 minutes ago, Billl said:

Watson is a CB.  He had nothing to do with the Toney trade.  And McDuffie is a number 1 Corner.

Look up McDuffies stats and tell me he’sa number 1. Watson, 40 something tackles, 7th round. Benford 24 and a pick, Elam 29 & 2 picks both limited time. 🤷🏼‍♂️ hardly game changers. 
 

also Watson I was thinking is GB. My bad. Point still there, how many teams have fear of KC defense this year?? Houston? Denver? Oh yeah, Indy…nobody fears them with exception of Jones and Clark. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by WyoAZBillfan

[BananaB]

5 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I'm not a McD critic but this is a fair point to raise. Our player usage and development is very questionable at times

How many teams you see with a CB rotation? 😂 

[Nitro]

1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Look up McDuffies stats and tell me he’sa number 1. Watson, 40 something tackles, 7th round. Benford 24 and a pick, Elam 29 & 2 picks both limited time. 🤷🏼‍♂️ hardly game changers. 

I think it is the coaches and not the players.  Rotating in CBs.  McD's achilles heel is his fear of mistakes.   Benford and Elam are the future.  White is not which is sad.   

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

17 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Yet the team needed a compliment to Hughes.  6.5 sacks this year is a solid return for a guy who rotates in.  What McD and Frazier wanted out of him is a different conversation. 

The pick was a complete failure.  You keep going back to the 6.5 sacks like he’s some kind of pass rush specialist.  He was drafted in the 2nd round - the first pick of that draft - to start and make an impact on every down.  He literally only recorded stats in 9 of 17 games, was inactive for a couple and dropped to 4th on the DC after Von went down.  And what they did with his development is exactly the problem. Their vision to slim him down and take always his best attribute was completely wrong. 
 

 

15 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Yetur Gross-Matos was a 2nd Rounder in the same draft and started all 17 games for the Panthers this season. He had 2.5 sacks, I guess Beane was dumb for not trading up for him huh? 

Did I mention him? There were plenty of guys there when we drafted - it didn’t need to be an edge player - which AJ wasn’t. 
 

 

12 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Benford, Elam, Cook did nothing? Even the others played at points. Most top DEs star of the bat, McDuffie was hurt much of the season and Watson JUST started coming on. Hence the trade for Toney.

AJ has had moments, few, as has Boogie as far back as last week. C’mon now. 

There draft class is far better and doubled the snaps of ours.  They’re also in the AFCCG logging serious snaps so there’s that. 
AJ “having moments” is exactly the problem.  It’s his 3rd year.  He was a 2nd rounder.  He should be starting not 4th in the DE rotation.  Boogie is beyond underwhelming no matter how you want to spin it. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

3 minutes ago, Nitro said:

I think it is the coaches and not the players.  Rotating in CBs.  McD's achilles heel is his fear of mistakes.   Benford and Elam are the future.  White is not which is sad.   

This I can’t/won’t argue. White might get back to his old self🤞🏻 but he’s not at this point. Really liked the rookies when given opportunity, even though they took lumps at times. Benford was a steal it appeared. Hence Beane looks brilliant in that respect. I’m with others on improve the O line, skill players. Just at the end of the day Defense can and does win, Ravens, Niners and even eagles show this giving ball ball to the O. I hate they hang it all on 17.

[WyoAZBillfan]

3 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

The pick was a complete failure.  You keep going back to the 6.5 sacks like he’s some kind of pass rush specialist.  He was drafted in the 2nd round - the first pick of that draft - to start and make an impact on every down.  He literally only recorded stats in 9 of 17 games, was inactive for a couple and dropped to 4th on the DC after Von went down.  And what they did with his development is exactly the problem. Their vision to slim him down and take always his best attribute was completely wrong. 
 

 

Did I mention him? There were plenty of guys there when we drafted - it didn’t need to be an edge player - which AJ wasn’t. 
 

 

There draft class is far better and doubled the snaps of ours.  They’re also in the AFCCG logging serious snaps so there’s that. 
AJ “having moments” is exactly the problem.  It’s his 3rd year.  He was a 2nd rounder.  He should be starting not 4th in the DE rotation.  Boogie is beyond underwhelming no matter how you want to spin it. 

Your in the part of thinking every first/second rounder is immediate starter, all star. Statistically speaking how does that work? I guess players like mayfield, Darnold and Rosen are all playing next week? How about Chase (DC), the lions, giants and my favorite Kyle Pitts. Wilson, Jones, Lance? The WR for Atalanta or rock solid Sauce. All those teams still in it due to their play and coaches?🤷🏼‍♂️ dig deep enough and you can find the flaws in every single player in the NFL, the coaches and owners. At the end of the day how many were still in it before last week?

[HappyDays]

42 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I say it half jokingly, but seriously, how many needs do we have that you’d rank ahead of the DL? There’s a few for sure but DL remains a major need for us unfortunately. We just can’t get it right. 

 

With Von Miller coming back and Rousseau in his 3rd season I don't see DL as a big need. They could use to add a DT in the 3rd round or later but they're pretty much set on the DL until 2024. We were down our two best DL today. That's just unlucky, not a reason to panic. WR, OG, OT, safety, in that order are all bigger needs. The defense overall does not need a lot of investment this offseason. Put all of our available resources into the offense.

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Oliver is a keeper IMO

 

Eh this is the 3rd offseason in a row I'm going into it wondering if Oliver will finally put a complete season together next year. He's been mostly invisible since after Thanksgiving. This is where someone will mention his pectoral injury as an excuse but like Josh Allen said some players figure it out and some players get figured out. Still waiting for Oliver to figure it out. He's here next year no matter what and we can live with him as our starter but I'm not planning my future around him. If we have to push salary into 2024/2025 in order to make a splash move for an offensive player and that means we ultimately let Oliver walk I won't lose any sleep over that.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

3 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Your in the part of thinking every first/second rounder is immediate starter, all star. Statistically speaking how does that work? I guess players like mayfield, Darnold and Rosen are all playing next week? How about Chase (DC), the lions, giants and my favorite Kyle Pitts. Wilson, Jones, Lance? The WR for Atalanta or rock solid Sauce. All those teams still in it due to their play and coaches?🤷🏼‍♂️ dig deep enough and you can find the flaws in every single player in the NFL, the coaches and owners. At the end of the day how many were still in it before last week?

My expectation isn’t to have every player hit.  I’m we’ll aware that there are busts on every team. Not drafting a single pro bowler or elite player in 4 years is not acceptable. There are plenty of rookies that start.  If AJ or Boogie were good picks  we wouldn’t have go blow out our cap to sign Von.  Do you see how those two misses not only efect games like today but negatively impact next year as well?

[TheFunPolice]

Beane needs to draft a big, sloppy, angry DT.

 

Forgot slim DL. We need maulers who can play physical 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

The two positions we’ve invested in the most the last few years is DL and RB and well…we may need to invest in DL some more. 

 

Yep. And any investment at all in RB is really just dumb. Three out of four seasons, investing at RB is criminal. 

[BFLO]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

The two positions we’ve invested in the most the last few years is DL and RB and well…we may need to invest in DL some more. 

I think we’re at the point where we need to acknowledge that McBeane are terrible at evaluating DL talent. 
 

Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson, Ed Oliver, Harrison Phillips, Jordan Phillips, Tim Settle, Greg Rousseau, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Shaq Lawson, and DaQuan Jones.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I don’t want to but it remains probably our #2 or #3 biggest need. It’s just sad. 

 

It was before Beane's time running the draft but man, TJ Watt was on the board when we selected White in 2017. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

6 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

My expectation isn’t to have every player hit.  I’m we’ll aware that there are busts on every team. Not drafting a single pro bowler or elite player in 4 years is not acceptable. There are plenty of rookies that start.  If AJ or Boogie were good picks  we wouldn’t have go blow out our cap to sign Von.  Do you see how those two misses not only efect games like today but negatively impact next year as well?

White, Milano, Dawkins, Allen (Diggs) are pro bowlers. Personally I don’t see many out of the Covid draft classes as all stars and certainly not those two, not sure steam wouldn’t jump at signing Von regardless (a tried). Also there are players I’d have loved the Bills to take in place of the two named, as well as Elam, Cook, Edmonds and even White. 🤷🏼‍♂️ A few shoes I should keep my day job and the others, well I should keep my day job cause capital taken to get wouldn’t justify the moves. 
Pro bowl is a popularity contest anyways. Give me the unsung hero who plays his guts out to get the W, as noted earlier Pacheco or even the D lineman Buffalo stole a few wells back kings-something lol the Jason Peters of the world have more value. Brock Purdy looks decent enough if given an opportunity. 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

2 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

White, Milano, Dawkins, Allen (Diggs) are pro bowlers. Personally I don’t see many out of the Covid draft classes as all stars and certainly not those two, not sure steam wouldn’t jump at signing Von regardless (a tried). Also there are players I’d have loved the Bills to take in place of the two named, as well as Elam, Cook, Edmonds and even White. 🤷🏼‍♂️ A few shoes I should keep my day job and the others, well I should keep my day job cause capital taken to get wouldn’t justify the moves. 
Pro bowl is a popularity contest anyways. Give me the unsung hero who plays his guts out to get the W, as noted earlier Pacheco or even the D lineman Buffalo stole a few wells back kings-something lol the Jason Peters of the world have more value. Brock Purdy looks decent enough if given an opportunity. 

I clearly said in the last 4 years.  I started the thread saying the same. You sound drunk.  This is pointless LOL

[TheFunPolice]

Worst part is they draft linemen and the first words out of Beanes mouth are that they need to slim down.

 

Stop starving our lineman! 

Edited January 23, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

What gets me is all these other teams who hit on absolute play makers within two years in the league. We NEVER get those. 

Yep, when was the last time we drafted an elite player outside of Allen?  Tre White? Before that Lynch? Our drafts have sucked. Maybe we can draft some more Cody Fords,  Kolby Listenbees, TJ Grahams, and Aaron Maybins. 

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Which others are you referring? Please elaborate. 49’s with Mr irrelevant and a horde of firsts? Eagles? KC? Do tell. 

Two or more were big contributors for cin today. 
Kc has karlaftis, Pacheco, Moore, mcduffie

 

i could go on

Edited January 23, 2023 by ngbills

[Milanos Milano]

30 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Beane needs to draft a big, sloppy, angry DT.

 

Forgot slim DL. We need maulers who can play physical 

I will absolutely vomit if anything Defense is taken within the first 4 rounds. 

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Lindstrom OG was taken 14 and Bradberry C at 18.  Lindstrom finally made a pro bowl this year and Bradberry did not get his option picked up.  Taking Oliver up grade the interior D line with Star, Harrison Phillips and Jordan Phillips.  Oliver is a keeper IMO

McD is slow to use young guys.  Only way to learn is through play and they will make mistakes.  

Im sure Utica Club meant interior defensive linemen. Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence and Jeffery Simmons were all taken in the 1st, after Oliver. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

 

[pigpen65]

Epenessa sucks. Such a huge disappointment 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

I mentioned this another thread too, but Beane has done a solid job of stocking the team with “good” players. But very very very few “elite” players. We have no Bosa’s, or Watts, or Chris Jones etc.

 

And he doesn’t seem to want to give up draft assets to acquire an elite asset like McAffrey.

 

Exactly, not trading for mccaffery was a huge mistake.

 

Trying to be competitive every year is pointless if you never win the Superbowl. Id rather load up and win then rebuild with higher draft picks .

 

Dont want to be 12-5 forever and get bounced every year like the bucs did.

 

 

[QCity]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Exactly, not trading for mccaffery was a huge mistake.

 

 

We already have 2 pass catching RBs that we don't utilize in the passing game. You wanted 3?

[pigpen65]

Just now, QCity said:

 

We already have 2 pass catching RBs that we don't utilize in the passing game. You wanted 3?

Dorsey threw 42 times and handed the ball to the back 11 times. Thank God they didn't trade for McCaffrey 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, QCity said:

 

We already have 2 pass catching RBs that we don't utilize in the passing game. You wanted 3?

 

You have a point ,but if used properly he is dynamic as is evident since he joined the Niners who i think will be in the Superbowl

[John from Riverside]

So I just wanna point out that the fact that being drafted a franchise QB negates all of that, even if all he did was draft a franchise QB, and a bunch of good players not great once
 

Do you know how I know this because we just went 13 and 3

[Dr.Sack]

If they aren’t fixing the DL or OL by getting younger what are they thinking in 2023? QB needs time to throw, and weapons to throw to. Better the OL easier it is to run. Remaining teams all have top 10 OLs as ranked by PFF.