LyndonvilleBill Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, BananaB said: Davis had a bad year and proved we can’t go into next season with him as our #2. Do you have faith in this staff drafting a player that can contribute right away, I sure the ***** don’t. We gotta bring in vets because our draft picks ain’t getting the job done. I think thats a big problem, our young players just don’t contribute and their development is way too long. I think a lot of that has a lot to do with McD and him being so fearful of mistakes. Some players have shown promise but McD sticks with the vet even when they are underperforming. I'll repeat myself again, I have no problem getting another #2 wr. I have issue with what Hopkins cost. I do believe this staff can draft a player that can contribute right away. BUT, I also belive that a new player has to earn the spot and beat the incumbent for play time. I like this approach. They showed it with Ford (cough), Groot, Oliver, Benford as well several others They are willing to start you if you earned it. As long as the NFL season is and the level of competition is much higher, just throwing a rookie onto the field because they were drafted at a certain point is asking for failure. Confidence is important and shouldn't be taken lightly. Promise is one thing, performance is another. Think about it. If we put Elam out there and he was going against Hill and had a hard time or Shakir and he had a couple of drops. Would you be saying the same thing? He shows Promise or would you be complaing about them not making (or performing) on the play? So many people are out for instant gratification. Slow down and enjoy the ride a little. Life is about the journey, not the destination. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) Bump 😃😇 (Belinda for all you geezers) Edited March 25, 2023 by JoeF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: So many people are out for instant gratification. Slow down and enjoy the ride a little. Life is about the journey, not the destination. 😉 Been following the team since 1963. I'm ready for the destination. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Green Lightning said: Been following the team since 1963. I'm ready for the destination. Had a feeling some old coot would say this.🤣🤣 Not quite where you are but since the early 70s. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Been following the team since 1963. I'm ready for the destination. No kidding...Just one before I expire....unless God has YouTubeTV with the streaming package or errrrrrrr the other guy has YouTubeTV with the streaming package 😈 (more likely in my case).. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 If Beane is serious about winning the SB and actually has a head on his shoulders, he will figure out how to get DHop on a team-friendly deal. A reliable #2 to consistently move the sticks is what Allen needs. DHop is probably like Von -- willing to get creative with a deal that pushes money down the road to when he retires with his rings. This needs to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Had a feeling some old coot would say this.🤣🤣 Not quite where you are but since the early 70s. 😉 Born and raised in B-lo and now in Rochester. Old but not cootish, and want to see a championship in B-lo before some Gen Z is feeding me oatmeal at the home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) https://sports.yahoo.com/hefty-price-cardinals-reportedly-want-192451574.html If there is a team willing to pay a "Christian McCaffrey" level deal - it most certainly won't be us. Initial reports that they were looking for a Cooks level deal or less was surely what made us look into it. But if all this is true that they've since jacked their price up to even higher than before, that's it for us It's been said we were interested "at the right price". This isn't that. Edited March 25, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I'll repeat myself again, I have no problem getting another #2 wr. I have issue with what Hopkins cost. I do believe this staff can draft a player that can contribute right away. BUT, I also belive that a new player has to earn the spot and beat the incumbent for play time. I like this approach. They showed it with Ford (cough), Groot, Oliver, Benford as well several others They are willing to start you if you earned it. As long as the NFL season is and the level of competition is much higher, just throwing a rookie onto the field because they were drafted at a certain point is asking for failure. Confidence is important and shouldn't be taken lightly. Promise is one thing, performance is another. Think about it. If we put Elam out there and he was going against Hill and had a hard time or Shakir and he had a couple of drops. Would you be saying the same thing? He shows Promise or would you be complaing about them not making (or performing) on the play? So many people are out for instant gratification. Slow down and enjoy the ride a little. Life is about the journey, not the destination. 😉 Go back and watch the first Miami game and tell me Kaiir did when put to that challenge. McD also liked what Nate Peterman showed in practice, so I’m sorry if I don’t fully trust judging a player by earning it in practice. The guys that have stepped in and showed potential on Sunday have usually taken a back seat to veterans when they returned from injury. And the CB rotation at the end of last season was total bull#### and proof MCD loves his vets. Edited March 25, 2023 by BananaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again - he said he expects it but only if Arizona drops their price. That's no guarantee. Article from Bleacher Report yesterday says they're waiting for leverage, which logic would say waiting until after teams have missed out on WR's in the Draft and are more desperate. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade the report on ESPN said other teams do expect a trade in the near future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Somebody needs to throw some gas back on the fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: the report on ESPN said other teams do expect a trade in the near future For the third time - that's not what was said. The exact quote was: "Talking to other teams around the league, they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future - but Arizona would have to come off their asking price. I've talked to teams who say that Arizona has wanted a second-round pick and more, almost like a Christian McCaffrey package that you saw during the season last year ... Teams aren't willing to do that as of yet" There's no saying that Arizona will move from their asking price. And if that doesn't happen, a deal will not come in the near future. One thing's absolutely for sure - if a team does meet that price, it won't be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) Again. From the video: “talking to other teams around the league they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future” 11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: For the third time - that's not what was said. The exact quote was: "Talking to other teams around the league, they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future - but Arizona would have to come off their asking price. I've talked to teams who say that Arizona has wanted a second-round pick and more, almost like a Christian McCaffrey package that you saw during the season last year ... Teams aren't willing to do that as of yet" There's no saying that Arizona will move from their asking price. And if that doesn't happen, a deal will not come in the near future. One thing's absolutely for sure - if a team does meet that price, it won't be us. you ignored the first part of the quote…. ”Talking to other teams around the league they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future” Edited March 25, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again - he said he expects it but only if Arizona drops their price. That's no guarantee. Article from Bleacher Report yesterday says they're waiting for leverage, which logic would say waiting until after teams have missed out on WR's in the Draft and are more desperate. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade They will not wait until after the draft. They'll want draft capital this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Again. From the video: “talking to other teams around the league they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future” you ignored the first part of the quote…. ”Talking to other teams around the league they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future” I have not ignored it. But you can't just take one part of a statement and ignore the other. That's not the complete statement. The complete statement was they expect something in the near future BUT that Arizona would have to come off their asking price. I could say "you'll become president but only if it snows in hell" and you'd read that as you're becoming president. Edited March 25, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: They will not wait until after the draft. They'll want draft capital this year. The can want in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first. We should offer the Bucs and a package for Mike Evans and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The can want in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first. We should offer the Bucs and a package for Mike Evans and see what happens. Good idea….but I’d rather have Hopkins. Better hands than Evans. I view Evans as a completed version of Gabe Davis Edited March 25, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 God help us all if this drags out and becomes a draft week trade. I can definitely see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Did they get him yet? Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 If the Bills can get Hopkins then getting a RT and MLB with their first two picks would be what I’d like to see. Bring back Shaq, Jordan Phillips and With that the team is set to compete and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) The only way this is happening for us in the near future is if Arizona comes off their asking price in the near future. Simple as that. As it stands right now, looking for a Christian McCaffrey style deal of multiple picks starting with a 2nd plus a complete taking of a 31 year old WR's massive contract - Beane will not and cannot do that. We got involved a few days ago when the story was that they'd have to take less than what Houston got for Brandon Cooks. Since then there's been nothing and today it's that they're now asking for more than they ever have. This is why there's been nothing and will continue to be nothing, unless that price changes. Edited March 26, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: the report on ESPN said other teams do expect a trade in the near future You absolutely reek of desperation about this entire thing.... Scrapping to find any random person tweeting about the Bills being involved...then deciding which people tweeting you will believe, now... picking parts of someone's statement and twisting to fit your narrative. At some point you'll wise up and realize this trade won't happen for us, then you can decide whether to blame Beane or understand we have other ways to improve (draft). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Did you know that your eyeballs never grow after you’re born? Same size today as they were then. Weird right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Beane should just show the Cardinals new GM this thread and tell him how many fans he’d have when he makes this trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Just now, stevestojan said: Did you know that your eyeballs never grow after you’re born? Same size today as they were then. Weird right? Very weird. 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Did you know that your eyeballs never grow after you’re born? Same size today as they were then. Weird right? Hmmm.. google is telling me otherwise … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Did you know that your eyeballs never grow after you’re born? Same size today as they were then. Weird right? But that’s not true tho: https://www.healthline.com/health/do-your-eyes-grow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Still no update on Boogie Basham and what he thought he had figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 that account did have the David Edwards signing before anyone else 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: that account did have the David Edwards signing before anyone else Would LOVE this to be true, but I don’t have any faith in this account. Let’s be honest, any of us could have called the Edwards signing. He was in town for a visit, not exactly calling a shot out of left field. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, TOboy said: Would LOVE this to be true, but I don’t have any faith in this account. Let’s be honest, any of us could have called the Edwards signing. He was in town for a visit, not exactly calling a shot out of left field. I bet you don't believe in Santa, either. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I just checked one of the Patriots boards, talking about the prospect of Hopkins going to the Bills. Honestly - it would almost be worth mortgaging much of the future just to see them melt down about it. Not quite, though. If the Bills pull it off, I hope it's in a reasonable way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Hmmm.. google is telling me otherwise … Google is backwards in Australia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, TOboy said: Would LOVE this to be true, but I don’t have any faith in this account. Let’s be honest, any of us could have called the Edwards signing. He was in town for a visit, not exactly calling a shot out of left field. well, he hasn’t been wrong yet at least. With the Edwards signing he stated the night before it happened he was told we agreed to terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: well, he hasn’t been wrong yet at least. With the Edwards signing he stated the night before it happened he was told we agreed to terms Fingers crossed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummernut74 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, TOboy said: Fingers crossed It was actually 2 nights before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I bet you don't believe in Santa, either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: that account did have the David Edwards signing before anyone else To help some people step away from the ledge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 They are going to have to come off their asking price and I fully expect them to Dhop is in his 30s he’s not 26 and his market is pretty limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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