NeverOutNick Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The Score's Jordan Schultz reports that the Cardinals plan to trade DeAndre Hopkins this offseason. i’ve been telling my buddies for the last month that if we could just get DeAndre Hopkins to be our 1b to Stefon Diggs 1a we would be set at receiver next year. Gabe Davis can then flourish as the third guy like he used to. And we know DeAndre Hopkins has some of the best hands this league has ever seen. Then the draft would be Offensive line galore with a sprinkle of secondary help 4 1 1 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I worry about paying a soon to be 31 receiver. He is great though. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I worry about paying a soon to be 31 receiver. He is great though. I would be more worried about Diggs thinking it’s gonna take away his well earned touches and keeping him happy 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: I would be more worried about Diggs thinking it’s gonna take away his well earned touches and keeping him happy As long as he doesn’t get paid more than Diggs I think it’ll be fine. We would be set for the next few years while we’re in prime dynasty window. Josh needs reliability outside of Diggs and this would be it 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 My thing is opportunity cost. There’s only so much cap money. Spend a huge chunk on WRs and there’s nothing left for other position groups. As much as I like Hopkins, I don’t think we can afford two high priced wideouts. It may not be as sexy, but I’d rather invest in an OL upgrade. 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 But the Cardinals want Murray's input on the HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said: As long as he doesn’t get paid more than Diggs I think it’ll be fine. We would be set for the next few years while we’re in prime dynasty window. Josh needs reliability outside of Diggs and this would be it I agree and would love this move…as long as Diggs approves 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 id rather draft somebody 4 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 this would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think it's a little too reckless, personally. Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver. Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Would love it, but how are we going to afford it with current cap situation and other needs? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 "This needs to happen" says 31 other NFL teams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think it would be the perfect offseason move for the Bills! Imagine what we'd be like this year if we had him. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'm amazed at the number of people who think it's a good idea to trade valuable draft assets for a high priced receiver on the downside of his career. It's very likely that we draft a receiver in the early rounds next year to continue adding to the current corps, while giving Gabe Davis another year to decide if he's worth paying in free agency The plan doesn't need to be more complicated than that, especially since we really need to start valuing having contributing players on rookie contracts. WR is a great position for that 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in Pasadena Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Rather draft the next Tee Higgins. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I would offer a round 3 or 2 pick for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Why not, we are loaded with cap space 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Would love it, but how are we going to afford it with current cap situation and other needs? I am generally not in love with giving up draft picks to get very expensive players, especially older ones. There can be exceptions (Von would be handy to have right now, if healthy), of course, but we need more young, “cheap” labor to have the cap space to keep the guys we need to extend. 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Why not, we are loaded with cap space Careful, we are going to ask YOU to chip in! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, MJS said: I think it's a little too reckless, personally. Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver. Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet. Correct. You want someone who is ready to ascend to #1 as Diggs descends into dependable #2. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Augie said: I am generally not in love with giving up draft picks to get very expensive players, especially older ones. There can be exceptions (Von would be handy to have right now, if healthy), of course, but we need more young, “cheap” labor to have the cap space to keep the guys we need to extend. Careful, we are going to ask YOU to chip in! Oh noooooo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This doesn't need to happen. $44 million for 2 WRs is too much to pay. 20 minutes ago, MJS said: I think it's a little too reckless, personally. Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver. Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet. Diggs was a #1 WR when he got here. Judging from Pro Bowl appearances is pretty lame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LABILLBACKER Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: I agree and would love this move…as long as Diggs approves 🤣 Diggs signing off on this would be necessary. We don't want an ego battle. Once this deal is done maybe we can coax JJ out of retirement for a 2 year deal to pair on the other side with Von. Rotate Groot as the 3rd DE. Then draft OL heavy. Guys come out of retirement all the time? Edited January 10, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, Warcodered said: But the Cardinals want Murray's input on the HC. Maybe that's why Hopkins wants out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 After Chicago trades down with Houston or Indianapolis, they can draft Anderson or Carter and then flip a couple picks to Arizona for Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Correct. You want someone who is ready to ascend to #1 as Diggs descends into dependable #2. You do that with someone down the depth chart. You still need someone for the next year or two while that player gets up to speed. Hopkins on a 2-3 year deal would make total sense. However, his current cap hit is untenable. They're looking to trade him, because what they're really planning on doing is releasing him for the cap money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said: The Score's Jordan Schultz reports that the Cardinals plan to trade DeAndre Hopkins this offseason. i’ve been telling my buddies for the last month that if we could just get DeAndre Hopkins to be our 1b to Stefon Diggs 1a we would be set at receiver next year. Gabe Davis can then flourish as the third guy like he used to. And we know DeAndre Hopkins has some of the best hands this league has ever seen. Then the draft would be Offensive line galore with a sprinkle of secondary help I agree. If we have 2 of the top 10 WR’s in the entire league, we would be all set at that position. If we grab Justin Herbert I don’t think we would need a back up QB either. Travis Kelce would really set up our TE room nicely…. Edited January 10, 2023 by Mango 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Steph is an alphadog he wants his Super Bowl ring. He has his receiving records I highly doubt he would have any problem adding Deandre who would probably be in heaven having Allen throwing jump balls to him. Edited January 10, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Chiefs or Ravens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 He'll be 31 next season...not sure that's the path they need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, BullBuchanan said: You do that with someone down the depth chart. You still need someone for the next year or two while that player gets up to speed. Hopkins on a 2-3 year deal would make total sense. However, his current cap hit is untenable. They're looking to trade him, because what they're really planning on doing is releasing him for the cap money. I can't see how you add Hopkins even if he restructures his contract. If there's no salary cap consideration, of course, that would be a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I can't see how you add Hopkins even if he restructures his contract. If there's no salary cap consideration, of course, that would be a different matter. It's easy. You replace Edmunds with a rookie instead of Gabe. They should cost around the same. Edited January 10, 2023 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'd rather save that capital to hopefully re-sign Poyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, BullBuchanan said: It's easy. You replace Edmunds with a rookie instead of Gabe. They should cost around the same. Well, I like Edmunds better than many here. Maybe he's too expensive to keep. I understand LB is one of those positons like RB where you often cycle after the first contract. OP, I surmise [Vague title] is a euphemism for "no damn title at all." It can't be that hard to write "Bills should go get Hopkins" or some such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I like Edmunds better than many here. Maybe he's too expensive to keep. I understand LB is one of those positons like RB where you often cycle after the first contract. You also likely have Poyer coming off the books, which i don't like, but that covers half.. You can rework Taron johnson to get another 4-5. you release mckenzie and save 1.8. Void saffold and save 2. It's definitely doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, BullBuchanan said: You also likely have Poyer coming off the books, which i don't like, but that covers half.. You can rework Taron johnson to get another 4-5. you release mckenzie and save 1.8. Void saffold and save 2. It's definitely doable. Alright, I'll grant there's probably multiple ways to do it. Void Saffold is painless. Poyer, I'd rather find a way to keep, but I'm guessing he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Bills can’t afford to trade away draft picks for expensive vets. They have needs across the OL, likely RB (Singletary), possibly LB (Edmunds), S, pass rush, and yes, WR. Hopkins would cost them at least a 2nd + 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Correct. You want someone who is ready to ascend to #1 as Diggs descends into dependable #2. Yep. Work the draft or look for next year's Christian Kirk (though I think he was expensive, no?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You also likely have Poyer coming off the books, which i don't like, but that covers half.. You can rework Taron johnson to get another 4-5. you release mckenzie and save 1.8. Void saffold and save 2. It's definitely doable. 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Alright, I'll grant there's probably multiple ways to do it. Void Saffold is painless. Poyer, I'd rather find a way to keep, but I'm guessing he's gone. Actually not painless as you now need to spend money to replace him. And not at all saying they should keep him. My point is Saffords money is likely going to his replacement. Same with Poyer or Edmunds. You can draft some of the replacements for some of these guys, but don't think that makes much sense to have a bunch of rookies starting and replacing key players when in a win now mode. Coming up with the money is the easy part. The question is where is it best spent, not so sure you want to spend it to have two WR's both being paid top $$. While I agree we need better play from WR position, based on past few years of what's happened around the league, think you could draft a rookie in 1st round, start him and get the improvement we need plus sign a mid tier guy for backup due to injury. Having a QB like Allen makes any WR look much better too so don't need top level as much. With limited money to use, think it's better spent on mid tier WR, IOL, and maybe S to start to fill holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBear said: Yep. Work the draft or look for next year's Christian Kirk (though I think he was expensive, no?). Kirk was expensive. I may recollect amiss, but I believe Josh tried to recruit him. Fella didn't want to play in cold weather, or his wife/girlfriend didn't want to live in Blo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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