JJ Watt retiring

[DCbillsfan]

I'm going to miss JJ Snot lol

[GreggTX]

I wonder if he'd feel the same way if he'd signed here. I suppose it wouldn't have worked out, but I've much respect for him.

 

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Arizona was becoming irrelevant, needed to bring the spotlight back on him

 

You're saying he's a prima donna? I've never gotten that impression. Look where he spent his career. I never heard anything negative from him. Did I miss something?

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

Didn’t Bruce get suspended for roids?

As stated above, Bruce's performance enhancer of choice was cocaine.  

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

did he run afoul of the PED regs and they gave him a choice?

wouldn't shock me.  him and Cushing were basically built in laboratories. (add Hopkins to that mix too).

13 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

As stated above, Bruce's performance enhancer of choice was cocaine.  

Well, based on Bruce's career stats, "it's a hell of a drug."

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, eball said:

I bet he's glad he picked Arizona over Buffalo so he could get a shot at a ring before retiring...

 

If anyone ever believed it was more about winning than it was money then I have a bridge to sell them.

[Bobby Hooks]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

Why announce it now?  Why not just play out the season then announce?

He wanted to get his chance in the media. Probably knows of some other big names retiring (Brady, maybe?) and realizes his news will be dwarfed. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Bobby Hooks

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

No proof but just seemed like this guy was more steroid than athlete.  Probably a first ballot HOF inductee because before the injuries set in he was being compared to LT in terms of dominance on the defensive side of the ball. 

Understand and agree what you’re getting at, we will all watch him shrink rapidly upon retirement, tis the nature of stopping the steroid / HGH use. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

Thank GOD!  So tired of hearing this guy’s knob get slobbered every time he’s televised. 
 

I’m always interested in seeing what these roid boys look like a few months to a year after retiring. 

 

It is not just the roids but 6K calorie diets, tremendous amount of lifting and other exercise, professional help such as personal cooks, masseuses' and trainers, etc.  I worked with coworker who used to play for Jets and he still was in great shape but he was still into athletics but has less mass since he does not eat so much.  He is a high end identity and security engineer who while is not making as much as he was as a player is making mid 100Ks and sometimes over 200K with project bonuses.  He was not drafted so constantly had to work to stay in league and I guess he got tired of it.

37 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

He wanted to get his chance in the media. Probably knows of some other big names retiring (Brady, maybe?) and realizes his news will be dwarfed. 

 

He needs to pick right year for his Hall of Fame eligibility and may have a job lined up already.

[Gugny]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

It is not just the roids but 6K calorie diets, tremendous amount of lifting and other exercise, professional help such as personal cooks, masseuses' and trainers, etc.  I worked with coworker who used to play for Jets and he still was in great shape but he was still into athletics but has less mass since he does not eat so much.  He is a high end identity and security engineer who while is not making as much as he was as a player is making mid 100Ks and sometimes over 200K with project bonuses.  He was not drafted so constantly had to work to stay in league and I guess he got tired of it.

 

The roids make them as big as they are.  Just look at how much these guys shrink after they stop playing.  Jeff Saturday is barely recognizable. 

 

Eric Wood looks like Thurman Merman in Bad Santa 2.  

 

It's the roids.

 

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Von Miller was already taken but Cam Heyward and Cam Jordan who are both still elite were available to the Bills.

Seems like I remember a video of the Bill's brass celebrating when Von Miller was taken thus leaving the preferred Dareus for the Bills. 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Ah yes, JJ Watt.

 

Fortunately for the Bills, JJ Watt help expose EJ Manuel for the inept  player he was.

 

I was in the stadium with a perfect angle when EJ lofted a ball to Watt who proceeded to run it 80 yards for a TD.  It was like watching a car wreck in slow motion, you could see it coming all the way.  

 

 

Imagine, a DT returning a interception 80 yards.  It was the second half when they finally benched EJ

So was I. Horrible performance but This game spawned the rebirth of Kyle Orton who played well, but decided to retire as well after the season.

[Dr.Sack]

JJ Watt would have been a great Bill instead of Dareus. 

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I wonder if he'd feel the same way if he'd signed here. I suppose it wouldn't have worked out, but I've much respect for him.

 

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Arizona was becoming irrelevant, needed to bring the spotlight back on him

 

You're saying he's a prima donna? I've never gotten that impression. Look where he spent his career. I never heard anything negative from him. Did I miss something?

 

I was against the Bills signing him as a FA because the whole situation reeked of him wanting to get a final big payday rather than a Super Bowl. He was a tremendous player who sadly was injured too much. He also used his celebrity status for charity purposes as the excerpt below from Wiki describes. 

 

He also raised over $37 million ($100,000 of which he personally donated) to help Houston recover from Hurricane Harvey, surpassing his initial goal of $200,000.[178]

After the Santa Fe High School shooting on May 18, 2018, that left eight students and two teachers dead, Watt offered to pay for the funerals of the dead.[179]

Watt covered the funeral costs for the victims of the Waukesha Christmas parade attack, which left six people dead.[180]

[bigduke6]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Von Miller was already taken but Cam Heyward and Cam Jordan who are both still elite were available to the Bills.

oh man,  could you imagine Cam Heyward in the middle of our defense for all those years.   would have been nice.

[dave mcbride]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

The roids make them as big as they are.  Just look at how much these guys shrink after they stop playing.  Jeff Saturday is barely recognizable. 

 

Eric Wood looks like Thurman Merman in Bad Santa 2.  

 

It's the roids.

 

Doubt it’s that given that they’re fairly easy to detect. There’s a reason the NFL really doesn’t test for HGH, which I suspect is rampant among players.

[BillsPride12]

He was talented in his prime but he was such a Diva....Don't think he would've fit in well with the locker room we have

[Nephilim17]

Way back I thought Watt could challenge Bruce's sack record. But it requires an elite guy staying healthy for about two decades. 

I once thought Bruce's record was untouchable but with Gretzky's goal record in jeopardy it goes to show there's not such thing as a "safe" record any more.

[RyanC883]

50 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

The roids make them as big as they are.  Just look at how much these guys shrink after they stop playing.  Jeff Saturday is barely recognizable. 

 

Eric Wood looks like Thurman Merman in Bad Santa 2.  

 

It's the roids.

 

 

or the constant weight lofting and supplements, etc. 

[Reks Ryan]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

No proof but just seemed like this guy was more steroid than athlete.  Probably a first ballot HOF inductee because before the injuries set in he was being compared to LT in terms of dominance on the defensive side of the ball. 

I have no idea if he took steroids or not.    But I have heard many NFL teammates and opponents talk about how impressive an athlete and football player.   I think he was blessed with amazing natural ability and has been a special athlete for his size, even by NFL standards, and a super hard worker.   

 

His best years you can put against any d-lineman that ever played.  I thinks he's the only player with more than 1  20-sack season. 

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

He just wants to spend more time with Kyler playing call of duty.

Kyler Murray is a waste of talent picked at #1 overall in the 2019 draft. On the short side for a QB but his tremendous physical talent can't balance out his poor intangibles. The guy wasn't born on 3rd base, he was born on home ***** plate and he isn't putting the effort into his profession to max out his capabilities. It is amazing to me that NFL franchises often don't do the deep homework that will give them the indication of how much effort a player is going to put into his own development, yet they are willing to spend the kind of money that will financially cripple them if they make a mistake on a player. It seems like way too many high draft picks fail to live up to their draft status because of work effort and attitude. While Darnold and Mayfield may be able to salvage their careers, other recent high draft picks like Mac Jones and Zach Wilson are looking like they don't have what it takes to lead their teams. Bills fans should be thankful that McBeane did their due diligence on a raw QB like Allen with a high physical ceiling and determined that he was the kind of guy that was motivated enough to diligently work on his craft. Just as important but in a different way is Josh's tremendous leadership skills that have his teammates praising him and willing to go through a wall for the guy.

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, eball said:

I bet he's glad he picked Arizona over Buffalo so he could get a shot at a ring before retiring...

 

 

   I personally think he chose AZ over Buffslo was weather.  Having his injuries and also if he was a ped user don't know if the Bills would look other way if he were doping. I think main reason is cold weather can aggravate previous injury areas if arthritic conditions developed  at those sites.

 

 

[benderbender]

Lost respect for him after the FA fanbase phishing debacle. He did good things for his community and I will not call his philanthropic work into question. Especially when he "married" that little girl for a make a wish. But I soured on him as a person after stringing so many fanbases along and then washing his hands of any responsibility for it. There. It's a compliment sandwich. Best I could do. 

[3rdnlng]

24 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Way back I thought Watt could challenge Bruce's sack record. But it requires an elite guy staying healthy for about two decades. 

I once thought Bruce's record was untouchable but with Gretzky's goal record in jeopardy it goes to show there's not such thing as a "safe" record any more.

Ovechkin is 37 years old, playing on a team that is aging too and 92 goals behind Gretzky. I'm not saying it's out of Ovechkin's reach but it's not yet in jeopardy.

[Nephilim17]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Ovechkin is 37 years old, playing on a team that is aging too and 92 goals behind Gretzky. I'm not saying it's out of Ovechkin's reach but it's not yet in jeopardy.

The guy just had a 50-goal season (oldest to ever do it) and has 22 goals in just 36 games THIS year. So I respectfully but vociferously disagree.

Growing up I loved Guy LaFleur — six straight 50-goal and 100-point seasons. Then he hit a wall at 30. Guys today are in such good shape they are extending their careers and playing at a high level well into their 30s.

If Ovenchkin ends up with another 20 goals this year, he'll be 72 goals behind the record. with 2 more 36-goal years, he can match it; or 3 more 25-goal years. Considering he has 22 in 36 games I think those are achievable goals unless he gets a bad injury or falls off of a cliff. We'll see...

EDIT: I see now you're debating the use of the word "jeopardy"; so I'll meet you in the middle and say it could be in jeopardy. If I had to bet $1000 I might take Ovi in that bet.

Edited December 27, 2022 by Nephilim17

[The Wiz]

17 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Kyler Murray is a waste of talent picked at #1 overall in the 2019 draft. On the short side for a QB but his tremendous physical talent can't balance out his poor intangibles. The guy wasn't born on 3rd base, he was born on home ***** plate and he isn't putting the effort into his profession to max out his capabilities. It is amazing to me that NFL franchises often don't do the deep homework that will give them the indication of how much effort a player is going to put into his own development, yet they are willing to spend the kind of money that will financially cripple them if they make a mistake on a player. It seems like way too many high draft picks fail to live up to their draft status because of work effort and attitude. While Darnold and Mayfield may be able to salvage their careers, other recent high draft picks like Mac Jones and Zach Wilson are looking like they don't have what it takes to lead their teams. Bills fans should be thankful that McBeane did their due diligence on a raw QB like Allen with a high physical ceiling and determined that he was the kind of guy that was motivated enough to diligently work on his craft. Just as important but in a different way is Josh's tremendous leadership skills that have his teammates praising him and willing to go through a wall for the guy.

But how do you really feel? 😆

[LanderPoke]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

he’ll be 100lbs in 3 years

He'll have saggy man boobs in 3 1/2

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

The guy just had a 50-goal season (oldest to ever do it) and has 22 goals in just 36 games THIS year. So I respectfully but vociferously disagree.

Growing up I loved Guy LaFleur — six straight 50-goal and 100-point seasons. Then he hit a wall at 30. Guys today are in such good shape they are extending their careers and playing at a high level well into their 30s.

If Ovenchkin ends up with another 20 goals this year, he'll be 72 goals behind the record. with 2 more 36-goal years, he can match it; or 3 more 25-goal years. Considering he has 22 in 36 games I think those are achievable goals unless he gets a bad injury or falls off of a cliff. We'll see...

The question that none of us can answer is when a world class athlete is going to hit a wall. Some players are like the Energizer Bunny and just keep going on and on while others hit the wall at 30, just when people in normal jobs start to become really productive.  There are a lot of variables that are out of the specific player's control that will affect their effectiveness. Hockey is a very physical sport and a significant wrist injury or the other teams finally figuring out that they might want to defend Ovechkin's shot from the right face off circle might be all that is needed to shut him down. Anyway, I'm not disputing that he could reach Gretzky's goal total but 894 is not yet "in jeopardy". Sounds like if you are old enough to be a fan of Guy LaFleur you're old enough to remember how much of a lock Tiger Woods was for breaking all of Jack Nicklaus's records.

17 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

But how do you really feel? 😆

I only share that with my therapist. 

[ProcessTruster]

pretty sure he retired a few years ago....

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, ProcessTruster said:

pretty sure he retired a few years ago....

Shh.. The Gig is up!

 

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The question that none of us can answer is when a world class athlete is going to hit a wall. Some players are like the Energizer Bunny and just keep going on and on while others hit the wall at 30, just when people in normal jobs start to become really productive.  There are a lot of variables that are out of the specific player's control that will affect their effectiveness. Hockey is a very physical sport and a significant wrist injury or the other teams finally figuring out that they might want to defend Ovechkin's shot from the right face off circle might be all that is needed to shut him down. Anyway, I'm not disputing that he could reach Gretzky's goal total but 894 is not yet "in jeopardy". Sounds like if you are old enough to be a fan of Guy LaFleur you're old enough to remember how much of a lock Tiger Woods was for breaking all of Jack Nicklaus's records.

The Great 8 has already shown he is a physical freak and he is already maintaining a high degree of fitness as he plays into old age.  He is also (probably) the greatest pure goal scorer of all time!  Well, top 3 at least.

 

If I was a gambling man, I'd say he does it.  He catches--and passes--the Great One.

 

If it happens it will be a GREAT moment in hockey, as Gretz will be plenty young to go out there and have a big ceremony and what not and it should be pretty magical.  

 

Ovetchkin is one of the very few Russians I have ever been able to tolerate.   But I don't just tolerate him, I love him.

He's a HUGE guy and would love to drive you through the glass as much as score a pretty goal.  Guys like that are as rare as unicorns.

 

By the way, our young D-man Dahlin is kind of wired the same way! He's the biggest bad ass on the team right now, and with all that talent...

 

PS:  Definitely remember The Flower flying up and down the wing with his hair flowing in the wind.  At the same time, I loved him (for his skating and playing) and hated him for the way he and his teammates shredded the Sabres.

 

Another Hab in the same vein is Stephane Richer.  What a Sabre killer that guy was!

 

Now, back to "JJ Watt Retiring".  LOL

 

 

 

 

 

[Tenhigh]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

Thank GOD!  So tired of hearing this guy’s knob get slobbered every time he’s televised. 
 

I’m always interested in seeing what these roid boys look like a few months to a year after retiring. 

Like, whatever

 

[3rdnlng]

48 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The Great 8 has already shown he is a physical freak and he is already maintaining a high degree of fitness as he plays into old age.  He is also (probably) the greatest pure goal scorer of all time!  Well, top 3 at least.

 

If I was a gambling man, I'd say he does it.  He catches--and passes--the Great One.

 

If it happens it will be a GREAT moment in hockey, as Gretz will be plenty young to go out there and have a big ceremony and what not and it should be pretty magical.  

 

Ovetchkin is one of the very few Russians I have ever been able to tolerate.   But I don't just tolerate him, I love him.

He's a HUGE guy and would love to drive you through the glass as much as score a pretty goal.  Guys like that are as rare as unicorns.

 

By the way, our young D-man Dahlin is kind of wired the same way! He's the biggest bad ass on the team right now, and with all that talent...

 

PS:  Definitely remember The Flower flying up and down the wing with his hair flowing in the wind.  At the same time, I loved him (for his skating and playing) and hated him for the way he and his teammates shredded the Sabres.

 

Another Hab in the same vein is Stephane Richer.  What a Sabre killer that guy was!

 

Now, back to "JJ Watt Retiring".  LOL

 

 

 

 

 

To this day when I see Ovechkin I remember the time Danny Briere dumped the puck into the Capitals end and peeled off to go to the bench. Your Great 8 hit #48 from behind and into the boards in the neutral zone, injuring him and keeping him out for numerous games. There was no way that Ovechkin or anyone else could claim that it wasn't an intentional dirty hit with the intent to cause injury to Danny. The intent of that hit was every bit as bad if not worse than the Gronkowski hit on Tre White. I admire tough and rugged play but abhor actions that are intended to injure the other player. With that in mind I couldn't wait for the next game between the Sabres and Capitals and completely approved of Briere's retaliation when he forcibly jammed the butt end of his stick into the Russkie's nuts. Yes, I have a personal animus for that jerk.

[BillsDude]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Not if I have my say. Just hear me out. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by BillsDude

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 hours ago, Ben said:

Been washed for a while,but man was he a beast in his prime.

 

 

 Yeah he’s had several bad seasons since getting 16 sacks in 2018, but this has been his best season since then. He needs a 1/2 a sack to hit double digits.

 

 

 

[mikemac2001]

Idk I could see him trying to bail ship get cut in this process and then say something like for the love of the game I wanted to come back and sign with a contender next year 

Edited December 28, 2022 by mikemac2001

[SMAKCruiser]

Did you know there's people out there that think he is just as good if not better than Bruce?  

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by SMAKCruiser

[UKBillFan]

30 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Idk I could see him trying to bail ship get cut in this process and then say something like for the love of the game I wanted to come back and sign with a contender next year 

Followed by a public split from his wife as she wanted him to quit… why does this sound familiar?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

9 hours ago, Ben said:

Been washed for a while,but man was he a beast in his prime.

 

I believe he had 9.5 sacks thus far this season … hardly washed

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 hours ago, eball said:

I bet he's glad he picked Arizona over Buffalo so he could get a shot at a ring before retiring...

 

I think it more so had to do with preference of living and the amount of money whatever team was going to pony up for him. I highly doubt Beane was offering the same or more than what Arizona ended up giving him. Also the cold weather wouldn’t have been kind to his injuries. I think we should be happy that we dodged a bullet by not getting him. He wasn’t necessarily lighting up the world when he was playing healthy for Arizona

Edited December 28, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[Fan in Chicago]

He will un-retire in July quoting "xxx team really wanted me and I realized I love the sport too much..."

Gives the media two reasons to keep him in the news cycle which of course he loves