Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 sacks in 10 starts this season. His length is disruptive. You cant get into his radius and come out ok. He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders. Has said he keeps learning from Von. I wonder how many sacks Von has added by just training with our line? My guess would be at least 5. Groot looks like he will become a force 34 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, KzooMike said: 7 sacks in 10 starts this season. His length is disruptive. You cant get into his radius and come out ok. He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders. Has said he keeps learning from Von. I wonder how many sacks Von has added by just training with our line? My guess would be at least 5. Groot looks like he will become a force Did not know he had 7 sacks this year. Pretty impressive. I think he makes the leap into the elite category next year, but he is looking mighty good. Great draft pick 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) He's like a fly trap. If you get near him it triggers and you're done. I think he's the best pass rush finisher we have right now. Remember, he has been out for awhile. So as Von departs, Groot rejoins the party. It might even end up being a + situation. He's developing so quickly. Edited December 12, 2022 by KzooMike 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I say this statement alot but his presence is def felt. He's the Edmunds of the DL. Even if he didn't put up stats on the play, his size and length impacted the play that won't show up on the stat sheet 3 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Von did say Rousseau will become the best DE in the NFL… 5 1 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I thought he was going into another lull like last year, but has come back better than ever since his injury. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He is becoming a good starting defensive end rather than just a guy in a rotation. Elite is a pretty strong term. Maybe he will be there but right now elite is a long way off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He is a force against the run also and sets the edge tremendously well 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He is becoming a good starting defensive end rather than just a guy in a rotation. Elite is a pretty strong term. Maybe he will be there but right now elite is a long way off. On one series he basically wrecked the play on every down. 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He is becoming a good starting defensive end rather than just a guy in a rotation. Elite is a pretty strong term. Maybe he will be there but right now elite is a long way off. He's pacing for 12 sacks in his 2nd year. He's clearly different physically. His body is just different. He was puppy raw out of college. He sets the edge like defending the run matters just as much as generating sack totals. I think he's closer to elite than you're giving him credit for. Edited December 12, 2022 by KzooMike 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He is a force against the run also and sets the edge tremendously well If there’s something he’s “elite” at, it’s defending the run. He needs more moves when he’s rushing the QB, but it’s pretty much pointless to run at him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: On one series he basically wrecked the play on every down. If he can do that multiple times a game over an entire year than he will start getting into that elite category. Its probably just semantics but when I think elite, I think top 1 or 2 players at a position in the league. 6 minutes ago, KzooMike said: He's pacing for 12 sacks in his 2nd year. He's clearly different physically. His body is just different. He was puppy raw out of college. He sets the edge like defending the run matters just as much as generating sack totals. I think he's closer to elite than you're giving him credit for. I could be wrong, but I think he is on pace for 10 sacks this year, granted he missed time. I will give him credit for racking up sack stats in a defense that doesn't usually allow for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: If he can do that multiple times a game over an entire year than he will start getting into that elite category. Its probably just semantics but when I think elite, I think top 1 or 2 players at a position in the league. I could be wrong, but I think he is on pace for 10 sacks this year, granted he missed time. I will give him credit for racking up sack stats in a defense that doesn't usually allow for that. I was pacing out what his production would equal if he didn't miss any time this year. He also matched his total on QB hits for all of last year already this season while missing a huge portion of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, KzooMike said: I was pacing out what his production would equal if he didn't miss any time this year. He also matched his total on QB hits for all of last year already this season while missing a huge portion of it. Fair enough. I think he is a good player and getting better by the week. Just an issue of semantics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Pass rushers don't usually hit immediately, I think he is well on his way. His length will be an issue for opponents. I really hope he becomes a Bosa type player that makes an impact week in week out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He’s Tremaine Edmonds to me as far as a trajectory. Done some things and crazy young with a big future. Gotta wear shades 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, KzooMike said: He's pacing for 12 sacks in his 2nd year. He's clearly different physically. His body is just different. He was puppy raw out of college. He sets the edge like defending the run matters just as much as generating sack totals. I think he's closer to elite than you're giving him credit for. He didn't even play in college the year he was drafted...and was super raw the year before that even tho he dominated. When they say the sky is the limit, that is definitely true for him. Edited December 12, 2022 by Big Turk 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Yes, he’s been absolutely amazing and Buffalo has great depth behind him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He was definitely the right pic when we drafted him 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: 7 sacks in 10 starts this season. His length is disruptive. You cant get into his radius and come out ok. He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders. Has said he keeps learning from Von. I wonder how many sacks Von has added by just training with our line? My guess would be at least 5. Groot looks like he will become a force There’s no question Von’s injury takes a major asset off the field, but it’s pretty clear just having him around will still be of some genuine benefit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: He’s Tremaine Edmonds to me as far as a trajectory. Done some things and crazy young with a big future. Gotta wear shades 😎 The only thing in common between Edmunds and Rousseau is they were both taken by the Bills in the 1st round. Their NFL careers are at different junctures and the former may not even play on the team next season. Edited December 12, 2022 by BillsVet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 GROOOT!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: He is becoming a good starting defensive end rather than just a guy in a rotation. Elite is a pretty strong term. Maybe he will be there but right now elite is a long way off. He’s not becoming a good starting end. He was a good starting DE last season. He’s becoming elite 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Rousseau is also smart - probably the most underrated metric of any NFL player. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Epenesa is right behind him. He hasn't always had many snaps but he seems to have turned the corner and is noticeably better than last year. Still would love to have Miller but I think our pass rush is better than last year even without him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Epenesa is right behind him. He hasn't always had many snaps but he seems to have turned the corner and is noticeably better than last year. Still would love to have Miller but I think our pass rush is better than last year even without him. Espenesa is certainly improved. Flashing, no question it's his best year. Also no question even with Von gone, pass rush is better. I would even say significantly better. Von was the icing and damn, having that closer element was awesome but we have been trying to build that unit up for awhile now. I think we are seeing a combination of maturity along with Von's influence. Groot is legit and Epenesa is flashing more. Then Oliver has been borderline dominant at times. This is just three guys in a pretty big rotation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Beane nailed it again. Absolute steal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He was definitely the right pic when we drafted him I'll admit, I was very iffy on the pick. Clearly he was a physical freak, and his one year at DE looked impressive. But there were so many unknowns for a first round pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Epenesa is right behind him. He hasn't always had many snaps but he seems to have turned the corner and is noticeably better than last year. Still would love to have Miller but I think our pass rush is better than last year even without him. I thought today was easily Ajs best game as a pro. Keep it up 57, we need you 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He looks like he could put on another 10 lbs of muscle, easy. Start knocking OTs flat on their tail. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 It seems like drafting the freak has been the right move more frequently in recent years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: It seems like drafting the freak has been the right move more frequently in recent years. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, KzooMike said: 7 sacks in 10 starts this season. His length is disruptive. You cant get into his radius and come out ok. He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders. Has said he keeps learning from Von. I wonder how many sacks Von has added by just training with our line? My guess would be at least 5. Groot looks like he will become a force I agree and AJ Epenesa is turning it on now at the right time as well with 4.5 Sacks and 1 FF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenoNVBillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 No doubt about Groot. I was and continue to be impressed by Shaq Lawson. He seems reborn and a man possessed when the intense need moments count. He just looks like a different player than his first tour with the team. Shaq, Groot, Basham and Oliver pressing the middle still makes this Bills team so formidable. Heck, even Espenesa had the bat down of the game. Go Bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Difference maker. I can't wait to watch him wreck Tua next week. Loved the confidence in the rest of the squad that Von had earlier this week, he knows what we all know. Groot is the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: He is becoming a good starting defensive end rather than just a guy in a rotation. Elite is a pretty strong term. Maybe he will be there but right now elite is a long way off. He said “becoming elite.” Do you have to be a buzzkill for a guy that’s showing elite traits as well as continuous improvement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, RenoNVBillsfan said: No doubt about Groot. I was and continue to be impressed by Shaq Lawson. He seems reborn and a man possessed when the intense need moments count. He just looks like a different player than his first tour with the team. Shaq, Groot, Basham and Oliver pressing the middle still makes this Bills team so formidable. Heck, even Espenesa had the bat down of the game. Go Bills! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 He's also just 22 years old and only played one year as a starting DE in college. Nowhere close to his ceiling yet. He has elite physical traits, elite instincts, and you can tell he's a very cerebral player. I think next year he'll be in the conversation for top 10 at his position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, RenoNVBillsfan said: No doubt about Groot. I was and continue to be impressed by Shaq Lawson. He seems reborn and a man possessed when the intense need moments count. He just looks like a different player than his first tour with the team. Shaq, Groot, Basham and Oliver pressing the middle still makes this Bills team so formidable. Heck, even Espenesa had the bat down of the game. Go Bills! Shaq clearly felt disrespected elsewhere and came back to show what he could still do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 It’s still crazy to think that this is only his 3rd season playing DE, including high school and college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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