Edmunds Haters eat some crow.....

[Orlando Tim]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

I am not sure if you are one of them but several people on this board told me he was bottom 10 LB in the league. As for his not playing up to his draft position, he is a two time pro bowler and led the team in tackles last year when they were ranked number one, not sure what else you expected of him 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:

I’m will take some crow on the side please! It’s coming down to make a decision on who you want to keep. Edmunds or Oliver? Guys we need Edmunds more, just look at the D today with him in middle. 

Edmunds. The d can survive without Oliver. It can't without Edmunds 

[Chandler#81]

I have no idea how they’re gonna do it -especially with the intriguing OBJ visit today, but Tremaine HAS to get a 2nd contract! He’s developing into the stud many here though he should have been since his teenage years (🤦‍♂️). He’s the nucleus of our entire Defensive scheme and deserves to be a Bill til Josh hangs ‘em up.

 

jmo

[babulator]

He had a hell of a game last night. He'll definitely get paid by someone next year, just not sure it'll be us.

[Royale with Cheese]

 

[Steptide]

This is his 5th season. It's the first time since the bills drafted him where I feel like he is a difference maker. The past criticism was warranted. Nobody is hating on him this year, I'd actually say just the opposite. Nobody is hating on him this year, just wondering where this player was the last 4 seasons 

[mrags]

4 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

OK we can def agree to disagree.  I totally buy into your argument about giving Josh more O-Line help, NO QUESTION there at all......but bottom line you just can not dismiss him cuz ya hate him.  Yeah Beane is waiting....why....proally cuz he knows the kid is good and maybe just maybe I dunno wants to maybe send a message and hey!  Perhaps message received??  Who the hell knows??  I don't wanna argue this into the dirt.  I just think that yeah in a contract year the kid has had the lights turn on....like you it would be awesome if he turns into the next coming of awesomeness but who the hell knows???  Personally it is a hard decision but I think if Edmunds who just might have a head on his shoulders would give the Bills the same Milano price would that not be a bad thing???  If he is looking for CRAZEE cash....yeah let him walk.....ala Phillips/Gilmore/Lawson et al......yeah let him walk.

Let me be clear. I don’t think Edmunds is terrible. But I do think he’s overrated. I hate him because he has all the tools to be amazing. Yet too many times he misses the mark. For me at least. I see him as a reactionary player almost 100% of the time. The reason why he looks so good at times is because he is a physical freak of nature. I’d rather have an instinctive LB manning the middle of the D. But that’s me. Yes, if he took the same deal that Milano did, I’d take him in a heartbeat. But I don’t think it’ll be anywhere near that. 

[97bills]

5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Well he's better than his brother, I'll give him that.

 

Seriously he and Oliver are putting the Bills in a tough spot. 

 

Both are worth retaining but are they really comfortable paying them both Top 3 💰

 

Poyer wants to get paid and Milano may want a new deal the way he's be ballin out this year. Tough decisions to be made down the road.

Oliver will dang sure get paid being a Dtackle. That can get sacks. He’s probably gone. Well dang I just looked he only has 1.5 sacks this year, I guess Ed was right there not counting his sacks. 🤣

Edited December 2, 2022 by 97bills

[colin]

last season i figured he'd play out the year and we'd know if he's a keeper or not.  imo (at the time at least) he was not.  now the bills extended him, so i suppose the fo wanted another year to evaluate.  

 

he's been a total savage this season.  the thing is that it coincides w our DL getting a huge overall upgrade, especially IMO with respect to physical size and strength.  

 

the big issue w our D when it comes to making decisions on how to pay is that we rely on the DL more than maybe any other D in the nfl to be a bunch of psychotic vikings, but in order to do so we rest them a lot and have a rotation.  that ties up a lot of capital.  edmunds is one of very few players we keep on the pitch for every snap, so i think he's gonna get a solid contract.

 

we will have to replace quite a few players w draft picks, and at least one of oliver and poyer are gonna get that treatment, sadly.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Edmunds is a great linebacker.  Great.  Perfect for the modern NFL, though he is different than the old school Butkus, Nitschke, Lambert bloody-nosed run stuffer.  But it is a passing league first, and in that realm Edmunds is the best middle-backer in the league.  For that matter, I can't think of one better against the pass in any era.  And he was plenty stout against the run last night too.  Been saying all year:  Must sign this guy (and we will).  Been getting flamed for it all year too.

[atlbillsfan1975]

He helped take away the middle of the field, helped to force a weak armed QB make throws to the boundaries which allowed a DB to close on and make plays. 
Not to mention the great run stuffing. Edmunds just doesn’t consistently make the “splash” plays that fans see. Nobody will be happier than the Bills if Edmunds is a big part of a SB win this year. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He’s playing great but I think he’s the same guy he’s always been. The DL is letting him make plays now.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

Thankfully people who KNOW football will make this decision.....not you.  No you go eat crow......heaping amounts of it around the end of their NFL year end transactions date if it even takes that long....which it proally won't. 

 

Crow - YUM!

Lmao he hasn’t been even signed yet. Zero

murmurs on contract discussion.

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, Nelius said:

Edmunds dummies always been wrong.

 

He's a gigantic match-up nightmare. Rangy predator on the field. Somewhat timid, maybe, but it's slowly leaving with every start. He's going to be the 29-30 year old game wrecking savage that everybody wants. Yes, I'm bring up his age again, because yes he's accomplished a tremendous amount early. Just imagine this dude in even 2-3 years.

 

Tremaine is the Josh Allen of this defense. Lock him down.

 

the Josh Allen of the defense?   

 

Edmunds is very good this year.  He’s not the most important player on defense, or worth vastly overpaying for.   The backups are not great, so it’s likely we find a way to keep him at a discount, or get another FA LB and draft someone.  Most teams can’t have two high priced LBs.    

 

 

9 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Edmunds is a great linebacker.  Great.  Perfect for the modern NFL, though he is different than the old school Butkus, Nitschke, Lambert bloody-nosed run stuffer.  But it is a passing league first, and in that realm Edmunds is the best middle-backer in the league.  For that matter, I can't think of one better against the pass in any era.  And he was plenty stout against the run last night too.  Been saying all year:  Must sign this guy (and we will).  Been getting flamed for it all year too.

 

Edmunds is great against the pass because he is built a bit like a large safety or CB.  It’s also why he gets swallowed by blockers sometimes.  

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

This is his 5th season. It's the first time since the bills drafted him where I feel like he is a difference maker. The past criticism was warranted. Nobody is hating on him this year, I'd actually say just the opposite. Nobody is hating on him this year, just wondering where this player was the last 4 seasons 

He was excellent in 2019.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, beerme1 said:

He was good. I 'm not going to overpay him for the next contract so the issue remains. He walks.

 

No crow here.

 

 

Fair enough. Your crow will come after the season. He's likely to stay.

[damj]

Crow tastes like chicken.     

 

I've been a vocal basher of Edmunds for a couple of years now. I was wrong. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Two things can be true.  He played poorly for the better half of two seasons in 2020 and 2021.  He was not making the negative plays that Milano was.  Almost everyone on here agreed that picking up his extension was the right thing to do as did I. Most on here wanted to see more explosive plays and more game changing plays.  He's had more of those this year but still not as many as Milano.  The issue was and still is how much do you pay him.  He will want to be top 3 if not highest paid MLB in the league.  If he continues to play at this level the rest of the season Beane should pay him.  The cap will go up.  Oliver and Davis are not due for more money yet, though dais may ask for a contract extension/pay raise.  Signing Edmunds means you probably lose Poyer and/or Hyde. Maybe not if you do some contract work with Allen and Miller.  

If I'm Beane I pay him because they need the draft pick to add to the OL and WR group and address the safety position.  The opportunity cost of losing him is too great at this point.  

[KDIGGZ]

Edmunds is going to get paid. But I don't know how they afford him, Poyer, and Oliver. All 3 have shown their importance this season with Poyer probably being the most important of the bunch and also the least likely to get a new deal ☹️

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He was excellent in 2019.

Agreed.  He had a very good 8-10 game stretch at the end of 2019.  He deserved the ProBowl in 2019.  He injured his shoulder in early 2020 and I think that really set him back more than we know.  He was not the same player in 2020 and 2021. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm not paying him a penny more than Milano makes so deal with it.

You not paying any of them anything 

[Luka]

Pass.

 

Defense looks mostly the same with or without him. Now when a good player goes down, like Milano or Poyer, someone like that, there is a considerable drop off in the entire unit's performance. 

 

But I figured with half his tackles for the night coming on one drive the threads would be abundant with his supporters flexing like him over a couple 2nd quarter tackles, which would simply be routine for a good LB.

 

Let's see how many fire Beane threads there are when we don't overpay for Tremaine. 

[Beast]

Edmunds has always been top-notch in our passing defense.

 

Running? Sure, he has had issues with bad reads but this is a passing league and he is like having a windmill standing in the middle of the field with his height and wing span.

 

The guy is vital to our defense having success.

[Mr. WEO]

do many top players need weekly threads for 5 straight years to convince his own fans how really good he is?

[PrimeTime101]

This thread is stupid. We call our players out when they are not playing well and because of that we were "haters"? There is a difference between hating and calling out a player for what they were. Then you have this thread, pounding his chest, told you so! you must of been a hater!

 

well give me an effing break. If the citizens have the right to criticize their president of the USA, truly fans have the right to criticize players when they were not living up to expectations. The last few years before this year Edmunds was NOT living up to expectations so we slammed the dude before it and because we did we were a hater?

 

get over yourself man.

Edited December 2, 2022 by PrimeTime101

[Ramza86]

Ive been on the Edmunds side for the last year and half. 

 

I think this year has been his best year and hes shown just how important his physical gifts are when we are playing this kind of defense.

 

When he got hurt in that Jet game it was night and day on how much worse the middle of the field got. I honestly think we win that game easily had Edmunds stayed in it.

 

I do think he will not resign with the team as the market will fetch him a HUGE deal, because hes so young and still has growth potential. Doubt we match.

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

do many top players need weekly threads for 5 straight years to convince his own fans how really good he is?

Here? Yes.

[JoshAllin]

I mean it did also help to have Tre and Rhodes back there and have Danes production cut in half

[Dopey]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

🤣😂😂🤣

[dave mcbride]

18 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Agreed.  He had a very good 8-10 game stretch at the end of 2019.  He deserved the ProBowl in 2019.  He injured his shoulder in early 2020 and I think that really set him back more than we know.  He was not the same player in 2020 and 2021. 

Totally agree about shoulder injury in the Jets game in early 2020. He played hurt all season because of it.

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

I’m an Edmunds hater. I mean I get that he’s better than our alternative right now but I don’t think he’s special. Physically he’s elite. But he doesn’t make splash plays that you would expect out of a top 5 paid MLB. And even if he was, I don’t want to be the team to give it to him and we don’t have the money to do it anyway. Better hope he takes a stupid discount if you want him to stay. 
 

yes, he made some good plays tonight. He always has. It’s not the plays that he’s in on that I see. It’s the ones that he should have been in on that he’s nowhere to be found. 

Bingo!! You guys get your whipping boy and only look for the bad plays. Your words, not mine. Sad, just sad. 

[Billz4ever]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Edmunds seems to be playing with more of a sense of urgency than I can ever recall in his career. He has been popping on the screen a lot more, not because he’s getting game changing turnovers, but because he’s making the stops we all expected out of a 6’5 250lb 4.5 16th overall pick.
 

We don’t really need one of these threads after every good game he has, just like we don’t need an “Edmunds sucks” thread after his bad ones. People just like being divisive and argumentative methinks. 

After a few seasons under his belt, he's finally developing that football 6th sense that great players have, where they just seem to know where the ball is going and where they need to be.  Milano has already developed this and that's why he's always around the football and able to make a play.  Having two linebackers of that caliber in the middle who can do that can turn a good defense into a great defense. When either of them were out, we saw the drop off.   Pay that man.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billz4ever

[DrDawkinstein]

As a long time Edmunds detractor, I say... pay the man.  But better be ready to pay the DL studs in front of him too since they are making all the difference.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

the Josh Allen of the defense?   

 

Edmunds is very good this year.  He’s not the most important player on defense, or worth vastly overpaying for.   The backups are not great, so it’s likely we find a way to keep him at a discount, or get another FA LB and draft someone.  Most teams can’t have two high priced LBs.    

 

 

Most teams can't. One that could was the one that our head coach and general manager come from. They paid Davis and Kuechly very handsomely. Which positions did Davis and Kuechly play again? Oh, yeah, same ones Milano and Edmunds do.

 

It's not a sure thing of course, but very possible.

 

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Edmunds is great against the pass because he is built a bit like a large safety or CB.  It’s also why he gets swallowed by blockers sometimes.  

 

 

 

Edmunds is great against the pass because he's fast, pretty quick particularly for his size, and really heady. His long arms help. They also help him get off blocks. 

 

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

As a long time Edmunds detractor, I say... pay the man.  But better be ready to pay the DL studs in front of him too since they are making all the difference.

 

 

Yes, yes, yes.

 

It's not a coincidence that his best years were the early ones where Lotulelei was playing well and this year when he's behind Settle and Jones. Very true. That's part of McDermott's scheme, but really every LB behind a good big DL is vastly helped. Even Ray Lewis was suddenly average after Siragusa and before Ngata.

 

Davis and Kuechly were much the same, better behind some really big tough DTs.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Thurman#1

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Bingo!! You guys get your whipping boy and only look for the bad plays. Your words, not mine. Sad, just sad. 

I have no problem finding the good plays and pointing them out. I also find a lot of bad plays where Edmund’s should be making game changing plays or tackles but is no where to be found. I call it like I see it. 
 

And yes… he is my whipping boy. Because he’s the leader of the defense. The player making calls. And he’s out of position or late to the play often. Like I said, physically he has it all. It’s disappointing that he’s not the best LB in the league imo. 

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

I have no problem finding the good plays and pointing them out. I also find a lot of bad plays where Edmund’s should be making game changing plays or tackles but is no where to be found. I call it like I see it. 
 

And yes… he is my whipping boy. Because he’s the leader of the defense. The player making calls. And he’s out of position or late to the play often. Like I said, physically he has it all. It’s disappointing that he’s not the best LB in the league imo. 

"It’s not the plays that he’s in on that I see. It’s the ones that he should have been in on that he’s nowhere to be found. "

What a complete 180 degrees pivot. Nice one. 😂

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

I have no problem finding the good plays and pointing them out. I also find a lot of bad plays where Edmund’s should be making game changing plays or tackles but is no where to be found. I call it like I see it. 
 

And yes… he is my whipping boy. Because he’s the leader of the defense. The player making calls. And he’s out of position or late to the play often. Like I said, physically he has it all. It’s disappointing that he’s not the best LB in the league imo. 

 

 

Calling it like you see it isn't anything to be proud of. Pretty much everyone does, including folks who are wildly wildly wrong.

 

And if he were really out of position or late often he wouldn't be here. He's here and he's captain and he's a three-time Pro Bowler and they picked up his option because he does what they want him to do a very large percentage of the time. Maybe not what you want and expect. But what they want and expect.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Thurman#1

[zow2]

It was great to have Edmunds back on D as well as Rousseau and Epenesa.   That was huge, and for one game at least the D played better without Von Miller.  They proved they can still be a really solid defense.

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, Kwai San said:

OK....I TOTALLY get that some people aren't so happy with Edmunds past performances.  However this year and yes tonight after being out for 2 games the kid stepped up and had some actually awesome stops!  Please point out the horrific plays tonight cuz I sure didn't see them.  The dude is gonna get paid and right now he is deserving......sorry Edmunds haters but he is and kinda has been damn good......even tho he doesn't fit YOUR mold.  Sorry.

He’s been an all pro this year.  Our defense is significantly worse when he is out and cost us games.  
 

That being said, the cap issues persist.  I do not know if he will be a Bill next year or not, that will be up to Beane to figure out if he can make that work and something Edmunds would accept.  
 

But make no mistake about it, Edmunds has been a BEAST all year.  Anyone disagreeing with that simply has an agenda or doesn’t understand football.  

[Thurman#1]

40 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Ive been on the Edmunds side for the last year and half. 

 

I think this year has been his best year and hes shown just how important his physical gifts are when we are playing this kind of defense.

 

When he got hurt in that Jet game it was night and day on how much worse the middle of the field got. I honestly think we win that game easily had Edmunds stayed in it.

 

I do think he will not resign with the team as the market will fetch him a HUGE deal, because hes so young and still has growth potential. Doubt we match.

 

 

If he does demand his own top market value, I agree he'll likely be gone.

 

IMO he'll take a bit of a hometown discount because he'll still be getting well into eight figures in AAV. He, like most of this team, really likes it here.

 

But we'll see. You could be right, clearly.

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Thurman#1