eball Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Airseven said: Nothing explains the Vikings gaffe, for example. Really? The first game after Josh’s elbow injury, when many pontificated he wouldn’t even play, means “nothing?” You don’t think perhaps a few of those throws were off due to the injury and lack of practice time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Romo yesterday kept hammering home that almost all of Allen's passes were low and away, which is not like him at all. Made me feel better knowing that it's probably the elbow causing his issues as of late. For all the injuries this team has dealt with all damn season they are still very much in contention for the #1 seed. Yes it's a grind and yes it's going to be hard but it's all still possible. Prayers up for #40 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Sorry maybe there is some truth to this but I don't buy the speculation explanation. Joe is a good listen at times, but he's a fan same as you and me. But maybe it's just me. I'm just tired of hearing how practice matters, and then a titans team who had no practice in the covvid season curb stomped us. At some point, explanations and excuses don't win super bowls. I'm just seeing a lot of struggles that don't look just practice related. The most concerning thing to me right now is the predictability of the offense. (Outside of Dane Jackson and injuries) Edited November 25, 2022 by Sharky7337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, StHustle said: Joe Marino posts a ton of content but his postgame pod for the Bills Lions Thanksgiving game deserves it’s own thread. So many members of the Mafia are upset, confused, and discouraged right now. The way he breaks down exactly what’s going on is masterful and he hits the nail on the head on point after point. One of his firsts points is simply the fact that Josh has had only a few practices for these last 3 games starting with just one limited practice before the Vikings game. How the lack of practice sessions have stunted the ability to get Hines installed in the offense properly. How, despite how none of us are in love with the way the Bills offense or Josh is playing right now, we still rank #2 in the league in average points and yards per game over these last 3 ugly games. He touches on so much more including a lot dealing with the defense and most key players individually. I love his perspective and feel most Bills fans would appreciate this content. I don't like his podcast. WAY too many ad reads. Much prefer disguised coverage, the fi room and the air raid hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Sorry maybe there is some truth to this but I don't buy the speculation explanation. Joe is a good listen at times, but he's a fan same as you and me. But maybe it's just me. I'm just tired of hearing how practice matters, and then a titans team who had no practice in the covvid season curb stomped us. At some point, explanations and excuses don't win super bowls. I'm just seeing a lot of struggles that don't look just practice related. The most concerning thing to me right now is the predictability of the offense. (Outside of Dane Jackson and injuries) So the point you are trying to make is based off of a game played 2 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Offense will be fine. My concern is defense. Without Edmunds the defense is very average. Lawson and Bashem starting at DE is troublesome. Dane Jackson is getting exploited like Levi Wallace used to. Problem with that he isnt playing across White its mainly rookies on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Sorry maybe there is some truth to this but I don't buy the speculation explanation. Joe is a good listen at times, but he's a fan same as you and me. But maybe it's just me. I'm just tired of hearing how practice matters, and then a titans team who had no practice in the covvid season curb stomped us. At some point, explanations and excuses don't win super bowls. I'm just seeing a lot of struggles that don't look just practice related. The most concerning thing to me right now is the predictability of the offense. (Outside of Dane Jackson and injuries) No way you watched that whole pod and came away with this take. And no Joe isn’t just an average fan. He is an insider who is neck deep in football for a living. If you heard the pod you’d know this. Jordan Palmer doesn’t have conversations with average fans. He has a ton of interviews with coaches and players. The man knows what he’s talking about….you on the other hand… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice And yet we’ve still won two straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Josh and the offense has been struggling since before no practices and his injury. Ok so you expected them to right the ship with an injury and limited practice time? And “struggling” has equated to a top NFL offense over this last stretch with the injury and lack of practices. So the whole point is….what does that tell you??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice Please. Excuses for what? Unlike those other teams, we’re 8-3. Currently in first place in our division and as of this morning, only KC has a better record in the AFC (by a half a game) and we beat them. No excuses here. Just reasons why our play has “slipped “. Some people here really need to STFU with that crap. 6 minutes ago, StHustle said: Ok so you expected them to right the ship with an injury and limited practice time? And “struggling” has equated to a top NFL offense over this last stretch with the injury and lack of practices. So the whole point is….what does that tell you??? Tells me some of the same posters are dumb behinds. It’s the same crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, StHustle said: No way you watched that whole pod and came away with this take. And no Joe isn’t just an average fan. He is an insider who is neck deep in football for a living. If you heard the pod you’d know this. Jordan Palmer doesn’t have conversations with average fans. He has a ton of interviews with coaches and players. The man knows what he’s talking about….you on the other hand… I have listened to every one of his podcasts for a while. Ok well you can worship Joe Marino all you want. That doesn't change the fact it's pure speculation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Does he have an explanation for why our D is suddenly missing SO MANY tackles? It's ridiculous really. Edited November 25, 2022 by Azucho98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice And how many of those 31 have better records than the Bills through 11 weeks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: So in order for Hines to run the ball Josh has to practice? I see things different such as getting away from the running game. Lack of or no ability to have play action. How about a trick play? Um, run Cook on something other than a toss. Double move, pump fake? Not wait until 4th Qtr to get Knox in the game…. I see a lack of creativity. I see WRs consistently running 15 yds down the field, even on 3rd and short. Get Josh under center a few more times a game just to help set up play action and have a different look other than shotgun. They call the QB sweep almost once a game, how about QB sweep action then stop and throw over the top, teams come flying up when they see that… Practice days, injuries etc I get it… sure it makes thing’s tougher. But I just don’t see this offense being to difficult for teams the game plan against. Belichick will be tough next week. Definitely a game we can lose. Hines has never been much of a RB, he’s a pass catcher with the labor RB. Honestly, it would be more interesting to have him work out of the slot and occasionally motion into the backfield to cause problems. I do think they’ve done a horrible job using him, but expecting him to be much of a factor in the run game is misguided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, StHustle said: One of his firsts points is simply the fact that Josh has had only a few practices for these last 3 games starting with just one limited practice before the Vikings game. How the lack of practice sessions have stunted the ability to get Hines installed in the offense properly. How, despite how none of us are in love with the way the Bills offense or Josh is playing right now, we still rank #2 in the league in average points and yards per game over these last 3 ugly games. There may be a component of that but even before the injury, the basic plays were still the basic plays and weren't being built on like the Kelly-era Bills used to do. Starting with a basic play, and run it with success, but then have some variations from the same grouping and formation, like a motion counter-trey handoff, that later in the game they would play-action out of, and later still run the end-around to Reed from the motion. Even in the Minny and Jets game - and this may lead into why Josh is hurt in the first place - the defense knows exactly what's coming based on the personnel and formation, and there's no variation. Teams have been catching up week over week, these red-zone woes have been happening long before the elbow. Patrick Peterson alluded to it, and we saw it again yesterday with the RPO fire slant. It worked early in the season, then the corner started pasting the receiver, then the lineman starting the quick arms-up on that motion for deflections, and finally yesterday it was a turnover. It doesn't matter how good your players are if the defense knows the upcoming play, usually. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice I bet you have a ton of excuses for what you’re so miserable. Why don’t you set a few aside for the 32 NFL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just to follow on, what the OC's job is, is to design plays to make the defense hesitate with eye candy, or iso a defender to put in conflict and let that dictate where the play goes. It seems like the keys to Dorsey's kingdom (don't get me started on Frazier) are out. Defenders know from film what their key is and what to do. Receivers aren't getting open, screens are obvious and get blown up. That's scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustHewIt Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Does he have an explanation for why our D is suddenly missing SO MANY tackles? It's ridiculous really. Perhaps missing 4-5 pro bowl caliber players has something to do with that? Regardless of that this message board thinks, it's unreasonable to expect us to have an entire starting lineup PLUS a backup at every position that can play at a pro bowl level every game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Then how do you explain the 2nd half of the Packers game and the game vs the jets? Lack of practice is a pretty lame excuse. The offense is just off right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Airseven said: True, because an explanation accepts a little bit of responsibility. But it’s not an explanation either. Nothing explains the Vikings gaffe, for example. It’s all just meaningless context. Nothing except injuries. No Poyer, No Hyde, No tre, No elam. Cam Lewis played and lost the game for us almost singlehandedly. If he had some football IQ no one would be talking about Jefferson’s catch. It would’ve been incomplete. Watch Cam on Dalvins 80 yard TD run. Lewis is our 10th DB and would never play if it wasn’t for some unreal bad luck to injuries in the secondary. Edited November 25, 2022 by NewEra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, boyst said: This is 100% true even if those excuses are reasonable. We simply need to do better and now that December is going to be upon there is absolutely and positively no room for bull####. One reason I have hope after today falls in line with some of what is eluded to here. Today's game Josh went to McKenzie. He knows McKenzie and played with him longer than any other WR on the team. He had no other choice today than to force it to him and it showed several times. Why he didn't go to Diggs early, I don't know. Why he didn't go to Davis was clear. Davis was blanketed most every route by defenders (I suspect he's been figured out). McKenzie was creating just enough space today to make things work and Josh knew he could trust himself to throw the routes he knows McKenzie is running. Well, but we won the games. ???? Justifications shouldn't even be needed. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, CheshireCT said: Well, but we won the games. ???? Justifications shouldn't even be needed. LOL To the layman sure. To the critic capable of grasping the game it's not enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Josh and the offense has been struggling since before no practices and his injury. Again it's important to be precise here. Allen and the offense have struggled at times during games. At other times - first half against GB, 1st half against the Vikes, 2nd quarter against the Jets, during the 25 - 0 run on Cleveland (2nd & 3rd quarters), the last 2 possessions against Detroit, Allen and the Bills O has been explosive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: You can not overstate the lack of practice time this team and specifically Allen has had. We are still putting up points. I’m not worried about the offense. Our defense needs to get right and close out some games. I’m confident they will. Seems like they hit a three or four game stretch every year and then figure it out. I feel pretty good about where we are, providing Miller can come back Bills still have the best roster in the league, when they are on the field. As soon as they are back on the field, the results will happen. "Next man up" is bullsh_t. there is a good reason backups are backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, StHustle said: There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons for things. Nobody is saying what other NFL teams care about. It’s rational explanations for why we look how we do and why most gloom and doom posters are overreacting. Ignoring causes, calling them excuses, is frankly dumb. It's what someone who doesn't get what's going on says. Sounds tough but really says nothing. Players are people dealing with things. Yelling about toughness and excuses doesn't fix anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Process said: Then how do you explain the 2nd half of the Packers game and the game vs the jets? Lack of practice is a pretty lame excuse. The offense is just off right now. Josh's UCL problems date back to his rookie year. I think maybe, contrary to the popular narrative, his UCL started bothering him again in the Pack game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, eball said: Really? The first game after Josh’s elbow injury, when many pontificated he wouldn’t even play, means “nothing?” You don’t think perhaps a few of those throws were off due to the injury and lack of practice time? Fumbling a snap was a gaffe and cost them Vikings game. Nothing to do with his injury or lack of practice time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Nothing except injuries. No Poyer, No Hyde, No tre, No elam. Cam Lewis played and lost the game for us almost singlehandedly. If he had some football IQ no one would be talking about Jefferson’s catch. It would’ve been incomplete. Watch Cam on Dalvins 80 yard TD run. Lewis is our 10th DB and would never play if it wasn’t for some unreal bad luck to injuries in the secondary. The Vikings gaffe? Seriously, how is it on Poyer, Tre or Elam? It was all on Josh at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Josh's UCL problems date back to his rookie year. I think maybe, contrary to the popular narrative, his UCL started bothering him again in the Pack game. I mean that it just silly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Josh's UCL problems date back to his rookie year. I think maybe, contrary to the popular narrative, his UCL started bothering him again in the Pack game. That was 5 years ago. He injured it against the Jets. No one mentioned anything about it during the Packers game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Perfect explanation? Redundant and too long. Here is the Cliff note version, injuries, and lack of practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The Vikings gaffe? Seriously, how is it on Poyer, Tre or Elam? It was all on Josh at the end. That’s not what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: That’s not what I said Then i misunderstood, i will go back and re-read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The Vikings gaff? you mean that we lost another good team I meant the fumble which was beyond reason and an inexplicable gaffe that only the Bills can pull off. No waxing about injuries or practice time minimizes that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, eball said: Really? The first game after Josh’s elbow injury, when many pontificated he wouldn’t even play, means “nothing?” You don’t think perhaps a few of those throws were off due to the injury and lack of practice time? He's a troll or dim or quite likely a dim troll. Hard to think with very little brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice This + the idea that every team is apparently treating their game against us as their SB and giving us their best shot. That would make zero sense considering the Bills are not the defending SB champs nor have they ever climbed that mountain. This is why I have hated all this media and fan driven SB hype from day one and it's played right into other (real) contenders hands like KC, who does have a recent SB title yet they have no trouble winning and staying focused an entire season despite teams gunning for them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: So in order for Hines to run the ball Josh has to practice? I see things different such as getting away from the running game. Lack of or no ability to have play action. How about a trick play? Um, run Cook on something other than a toss. Double move, pump fake? Not wait until 4th Qtr to get Knox in the game…. I see a lack of creativity. I see WRs consistently running 15 yds down the field, even on 3rd and short. Get Josh under center a few more times a game just to help set up play action and have a different look other than shotgun. They call the QB sweep almost once a game, how about QB sweep action then stop and throw over the top, teams come flying up when they see that… Practice days, injuries etc I get it… sure it makes thing’s tougher. But I just don’t see this offense being to difficult for teams the game plan against. Belichick will be tough next week. Definitely a game we can lose. Dorsey is not putting players in situations to succeed on a regular basis, he has abandoned many aspects of play calling that made the team successful under Dabol, not that Brian doesn’t have his faults…, Beane acquirers fast players, but Dorsey can’t seem to integrate them into the offense in an effective way, it takes weeks to even see them on the field with any regularity, okay I’m done pissing and moaning, Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 hours ago, boyst said: This is 100% true even if those excuses are reasonable. We simply need to do better and now that December is going to be upon there is absolutely and positively no room for bull####. One reason I have hope after today falls in line with some of what is eluded to here. Today's game Josh went to McKenzie. He knows McKenzie and played with him longer than any other WR on the team. He had no other choice today than to force it to him and it showed several times. Why he didn't go to Diggs early, I don't know. Why he didn't go to Davis was clear. Davis was blanketed most every route by defenders (I suspect he's been figured out). McKenzie was creating just enough space today to make things work and Josh knew he could trust himself to throw the routes he knows McKenzie is running. True & it's about dam time they give him the contract with the faith he could take over for the likes of Beasley & to this point he has shown much less than what he has needed to but i hope yesterday was his jump start because the completions & yds that Bease had are very missed ! Mckenzie is the guy that needs to provide those yards lost & the drops in the beginning of the season were not like him i hope he continues on this path & the drops go away he needs to be consistent not just have a good game here & there Josh needs to know when he throws it to him he will catch it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, AlfaBill said: True. You should go over to the Fins board. They’re currently accepting band wagoners Exactly. I lurk there from time to time and there are lot of Tua>Allen and Dolphins and Chiefs are the best NFL team takes. If you are a Bills sceptic it's never too late to hop on Dolphins bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeParrish Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 hours ago, StHustle said: Joe Marino posts a ton of content but his postgame pod for the Bills Lions Thanksgiving game deserves it’s own thread. So many members of the Mafia are upset, confused, and discouraged right now. The way he breaks down exactly what’s going on is masterful and he hits the nail on the head on point after point. One of his firsts points is simply the fact that Josh has had only a few practices for these last 3 games starting with just one limited practice before the Vikings game. How the lack of practice sessions have stunted the ability to get Hines installed in the offense properly. How, despite how none of us are in love with the way the Bills offense or Josh is playing right now, we still rank #2 in the league in average points and yards per game over these last 3 ugly games. He touches on so much more including a lot dealing with the defense and most key players individually. I love his perspective and feel most Bills fans would appreciate this content. Classic glass half full, all is OK, excuse after excuse. Josh hasn’t played up to what he is capable of, has been very inaccurate at times, and made some poor decisions that we haven’t seen since his rookie year. Why can’t we just accept that? Rather than spin it and point the finger elsewhere. Let’s just hope he gets it going when it truly matters in December and into the post season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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