Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Ralonzo said: Safety was not the best option in that situation. You turn a 4 point game into a 2 point game and give them the ball with 0:44 and one timeout, needing only a field goal for the win. The best option was a Tua-style slant to Diggs for 5 yards. Safe throw, quick throw, minimal chance for disaster, with the upside of: if you complete it, you win the game (one time out and two kneels). The only result that is a disaster is a turnover. Even the QB sneak had a slightly greater risk (but still very minimal) for what happened. It's a ridiculously low percentage, you would not factor failing to execute the center-QB exchange into your decision because it's the most basic of basics, and is roughly the same nil risk whether a sneak or run or pass. Unless someone completely chokes. Which, they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Flucod said: There is literally a screenshot showing Motor without a defensive player within 15 yards. Josh hasn't been seeing the field very well the past couple of games. This team is also missing that bonafide "slot" guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, UKBillFan said: I do think we need some balance here. We put up 30 points. Josh looked far more like himself in a positive sense today than he did in the hellhole of next week. He threw two gatbage interceptions plus had a horrible fumble (though the playcall was horrendous there) but he also made some fantastic plays as well. Would I say he was absolute garbage this week? Probably not. Not at his best and cost us the game but not absolute garbage. If we simply execute after the defense won the game … that’s a vintage Allen game. He played really well. Only pick was on a 4th down throw he had to let go or turn over on downs anyway. However, the fumble and game ending pick invokes shades of Tennessee/Simmons last year and the issue that was glaring obvious against GB and NYJ. Those two plays, justifiably so, tanked his game performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: He disappeared in the 2nd half, stopped for no gain several times. Yeah….those were his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: I'm not in the mood for this kind of sarcasm. I can’t sit around waiting for your mood swing before I can be a smartass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I mean, why not take the intentional safety after running out 10 or so seconds? That error cost the game Anyone that thinks the right move was to take an intentional safety should just stop talking football. There is zero case for taking an intentional safety there. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said: Really hope we can land OBJ. The Bills get zero production out the slot. The loss of Cole Beasley is really hurting us. He was Josh’s security blanket OBJ is not coming to Buffalo. Buffalo may have been the favorite but he will probably go to Dallas. No state tax and closer to his home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Which, they did If you cant execute a center-QB exchange in that situation, tell me what play there is in the play book that works? Even an intentional safety needs ball snapped. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Dabol>Dorsey I think is a good place to look. I mean Daboll is now a 7-2 head coach. So it's sort of inevitable. (Of course, Daboll was dog ***** too last year whenever we lost.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Singletary can’t wait to get out of Buffalo after this season and I don’t blame him. The way this coaching staff continues to disrespect him is ridiculous. It’s been going on 3yrs now….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Ralonzo said: If you cant execute a center-QB exchange in that situation, tell me what play there is in the play book that works? Even an intentional safety needs ball snapped. Truth. Just a *****, miserable loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. Playoffs, I would be shocked if they didn't make it. SB and a win, not seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, SCBills said: If we simply execute after the defense won the game … that’s a vintage Allen game. He played really well. Only pick was on a 4th down throw he had to let go or turn over on downs anyway. However, the fumble and game ending pick invokes shades of Tennessee/Simmons last year and the issue that was glaring obvious against GB and NYJ. Those two plays, justifiably so, tanked his game performance. Though even after the fumble, his drive down the field also felt like typical Josh in a good way and what elite QBs should be doing. Then the offensive series before the pick was good Josh as well. But every play at the moment just feels like a screw up is round the corner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Same mindset of the people that just say “we’ll be back” when you lose in the playoffs. People were probably thinking at in 99. You never know if or when you’ll be back. Keep pissing away chances at having home field advantage. You aren’t going to KC in the playoffs and winning. That’s why these losses matter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nitro said: Dorsey is showing how green he is. I would suggest to bring in a former OC (Frank) to help him with the game plans and play calls. Whatever adjustments he has done, at halftime, in the past three games has done squat. He abandons the run too quickly. Singletary had a solid day. When a head burn some clock. The short pass game disappeared. This team has the talent to score in the 30s. The defense has crashed to earth. Frazier should be gone after this season. I have seen his defenses come up short in pressure situations. Let’s see what Jim Kelly is up to. Maybe bring in Bruce Smith to run the defense too 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. Interesting logic. It's almost like you're saying losing in November doesn't make making the playoffs harder. You realize we're third in the Division now, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. Bro, you realize the playoffs are not even a given, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. Yeah - just suck seeing them piss away a great start and now home field advantage may be out of the picture even if they win out, which they won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcamm1966 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 at the point where josh scares the heck out of me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Definitely more than capable. Josh not playing good ball right now..def rather it be now than later though. Really hope we can land OBJ. The loss of Cole Beasley is killing us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I mean, why not take the intentional safety after running out 10 or so seconds? That error cost the game Why not successfully execute the snap and have a player (see: Davis, Gilliam) help push you from behind for a 1 or 2 yard gain - just like the last 10 QB sneaks that we ran. Best case. Get enough room to take a knee and win the game. Worst case: Get stopped for a safety. Even that is not the end of the world and it is actually a strategy used successfully in the past. After the safety punt it high and deep, cover the punt, and trust the defense to finish it. The Vikes had no timeouts. 3 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: Let’s see what Jim Kelly is up to. Maybe bring in Bruce Smith to run the defense too 🙄 Not the same. Reich is a proven OC and did ok as an HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Roundybout said: We have to care. Miami and NYJ are not going away anytime soon. I think the Jets very well could. Miami is a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Same mindset of the people that just say “we’ll be back” when you lose in the playoffs. People were probably thinking at in 99. You never know if or when you’ll be back. Keep pissing away chances at having home field advantage. You aren’t going to KC in the playoffs and winning. That’s why these losses matter A big part of the mission, this year, was to get that home field advantage! Make Mahomes do what he's never done before: play a playoff game on the ROAD. There's a reason that was the mission. Losing on November 13th directly relates to losing in January. There are always going to be blindly rationalizing Bills fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. Getting into the playoffs is why we should care about two embarrassing losses in November. I know they're capable of doing it, but they sure haven't shown it the past two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: I think the Jets very well could. Miami is a problem Who knows. They have a joke of a schedule. Hopefully the cold can put the brakes on their offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, boater said: Motor is an average RB. Middle of the road. 50 percentile. If you imagine your team a Superbowl contender, he's not good enough. I agree, when you look back at Thurmanator you can easily see the difference, a RB that can carry a whole team. Then you have Singletary who is average at everything and should be a backup RB. I think Hines is the better blocker, pass catcher, ball security and has that game breaking speed. Once he learns the playbook he needs to be the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Mahomes 2nd/3rd string RB McKinnon- 8 targets. 6 receptions. 56 yards Allen 1st string RB - 2 targets. 1 reception 0 yards I was screaming at the TV for 17 to check it down on at least 5 throws. I think all were for negative or zero yards. Unacceptable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Iverwig said: OBJ is not coming to Buffalo. Buffalo may have been the favorite but he will probably go to Dallas. No state tax and closer to his home. OBJ really isn't the answer to help this team over the hump. The Bills need a healthy degense and an offensive game plan that stinks with the run and takes what the defenses gives them. That was the formula that win them games early in the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. 2 at home sure is easier than 3 on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. I don’t care about losses as much as I care about how the team played. I am more proud of a gutsy loss with numerous starters out (vs Miami) than I am about a win that we we’re getting blown out or barely held on to get (Ravens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: There are no excuses for the last two losses. I can agree with both of these statements, they are not mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Roundybout said: Who knows. They have a joke of a schedule. Hopefully the cold can put the brakes on their offense. At Pats, Vikings, Bills, Seahawks, Dolphins a joke schedule? Show me a hard one then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Mahomes 2nd/3rd string RB McKinnon- 8 targets. 6 receptions. 56 yards Allen 1st string RB - 2 targets. 1 reception 0 yards I was screaming at the TV for 17 to check it down on at least 5 throws. I think all were for negative or zero yards. Unacceptable And that’s the difference. PM is better than JA. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 30 minutes ago, boater said: Motor is an average RB. Middle of the road. 50 percentile. If you imagine your team a Superbowl contender, he's not good enough. If it was 1987, you might have a point. He is average. In 2022? It doesn't matter. Can definitely still win a SB with him. What we REALY need, tough, is an elite QB. There's the rub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree, when you look back at Thurmanator you can easily see the difference, a RB that can carry a whole team. Then you have Singletary who is average at everything and should be a backup RB. I think Hines is the better blocker, pass catcher, ball security and has that game breaking speed. Once he learns the playbook he needs to be the starter. Singletary was phenomenal in pass protection today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: At Pats, Vikings, Bills, Seahawks, Dolphins a joke schedule? Show me a hard one then They have so far, I mean. Not a lot of opposition in Chicago and Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: If you cant execute a center-QB exchange in that situation, tell me what play there is in the play book that works? Even an intentional safety needs ball snapped. Total failure of simple execution. The fumble appears to be on Allen because it was a good snap. It's the kind of thing you see in high school not the pros. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsforumsucks Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Nitro said: Dorsey is showing how green he is. I would suggest to bring in a former OC (Frank) to help him with the game plans and play calls. Whatever adjustments he has done, at halftime, in the past three games has done squat. He abandons the run too quickly. Singletary had a solid day. When a head burn some clock. The short pass game disappeared. This team has the talent to score in the 30s. The defense has crashed to earth. Frazier should be gone after this season. I have seen his defenses come up short in pressure situations. I think the short passing is on JA, it is certainly open almost every play but he refused to make those throws today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) How have all you critics already analyzed all of the run blocking assignment footage and reached your conclusions so fast? Or is this thread basically a "no gain on the carry = bad running back" analysis? Edited November 13, 2022 by BillnutinHouston 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 There is a real chance that this team doesn’t make the playoffs. 1 seed is a pipe dream now and you aren’t beating KC in KC in the playoffs. The wheel could absolutely come off this thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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