NFL Week 10 - Vikings at Bills post game thread

[JohnnyBuffalo]

7 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I was at the 6-3 game.  Took my young (at the time) son and I had to explain to him afterwards that going to games really was fun.  

Oh man!    I felt this brother.   I felt this.  

[Draconator]

Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I mean, why not take the intentional safety after running out 10 or so seconds?

 

That error cost the game 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, Reverse Meathead said:

That is so painful to see.  Singletary would have been gone.   Josh got tunnel vision there.  This team is like getting the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders to come back to your hotel room after a night of drinking, tie you down to your bed naked then shut out the lights, leave and lock you in the dark.  

 

More like have a Cowboy cheerleader come back to your room, ask if you have any condoms, you say you do and then find a way to not finish your business even tho it's there for the taking.

[JMM]

If Tre has been cleared, then he has to play next week. Not saying start, but play! Or I'm done with this staff. You cannot hide this secondary anymore. They were in shambles. As much as Josh has been responsible for the 3 losses, so has the secondary play. We simply do not lose 2 of the 3, possibly all of them with our starters in there. It's time to play as if each game is a playoff game now. 

[Billsforumsucks]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

His only safety valve was Morris who didn't bother looking back for the ball.  Our receivers are just not getting open.

There is literally a screenshot showing Motor without a defensive player within 15 yards.

[Victory Formation]

10 minutes ago, boater said:

Motor is an average RB. Middle of the road. 50 percentile.

 

If you imagine your team a Superbowl contender, he's not good enough.

Better than Hines, better than Cook, better than Moss, better than Duke.

 

Who do you want to replace him with exactly?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The problem is, Allen had everything worked out. The only thing he was lacking was patience. He figured it out. After the Tampa game last year, he showed that if you ran a deep shell on him, he'd take the dumpoffs for 6-8 yards. At that point the Bills O became an unstoppable juggernaut.

 

This year, early in the Rams and Titans games, Allen took the checkdowns and matriculated the ball. The Bills offense was an unstoppable juggernaut.

 

The Pittsburgh game, I think, was the brown acid at Woodstock. It was the highest of highs that left Allen craving that rush. They played that game without any respect for the opponent... but for every stupid pick to Levi Wallace there were two deep shots that connected. They blew the Steelers off the field. That seemed to snap Allen back to his "Mr Invincible, I'm the Lizard King, I can do anything" mode.

 

The problem is, not everyone is Pittsburgh, and premium players like Patrick Peterson and Gardner and Jaire Alexander will make you pay for your arm arrogance a lot more often.

Absolutely great synopsis. Agree with everything. 

[Roundybout]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I mean, why not take the intentional safety after running out 10 or so seconds?

 

That error cost the game 

 

Why on earth would you put them down one and with the ball on the 40?

[Big Turk]

There are no excuses for the last two losses.

[Roundybout]

We have to care. Miami and NYJ are not going away anytime soon. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

Why on earth would you put them down one and with the ball on the 40?

The ball wouldn't necessarily have ended up there, there's a kick 

 

I like the defensive chances better than our short yardage offense which is pathetic 

 

 

[billsfan714]

The Chiefs care though.

[Roundybout]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

The ball wouldn't necessarily have ended up there, there's a kick 

 

I like the defensive chances better than our short yardage offense which is pathetic 

 

 

 

I don't. Minnesota was moving the ball at will on us. 

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

We have to care. Miami and NYJ are not going away anytime soon. 

Let them all get in the playoffs. We'll win when it really counts, in January. 

[Process]

We had 4 receivers running routes on the final play. When the ball left Josh's hand three of them were in the end zone . 

 

We were on the 20 yard line. 

 

It was second down. 

 

We needed 10 yards. 

 

Had plenty of time. And two timeouts. 

 

Wtf is Dorsey doing?

 

Of course you could also make the case it was genius because it left singletary wide open underneath on a check down for what would likely be a first down. And then we get back to Allen playing like absolute garbage the last 2.5 games. 

 

What a mess.

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

His only safety valve was Morris who didn't bother looking back for the ball.  Our receivers are just not getting open.

Uhhhh singletary was WIDE OPEN for likely a first down and Allen decided to throw it the end zone instead.

[schoolhouserock]

Just now, Draconator said:

Let them all get in the playoffs. We'll win when it really counts, in January. 

Not on the road we won’t.

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

This is the annoying thing - Josh seemed to have sorted this out. From the Patriots in the wildcard game through to the Chiefs in week five we looked smooth and settled. Then the second half against the Steelers, in hindsight, should have perhaps rung alarm bells and then the regression has set in. Why?

 

On the flip side... take a look at Mahomes' performances between week five and week thirteen last year. Outside of thrashing the Raiders his QBR didn't go above 57.4 (and only above 50.0 twice). He was sacked 16 times and threw eight interceptions. He recovered until the meltdown in the second half against the Bengals. So there's every reason showing Josh can recover.

 

As I said, the saddest thing is it looked like Josh had sorted this issue out.

My big frustration is sorting through “what is the blip”. Mahomes has all of these outstanding runs that you just think “what a weird/bad stretch”

 

Allen has a lot of film with showings like today.  But the stretch you listed him as “sorted out” is just 7 games.

 

Im certainly not all the way there. But it’s a creeping thought the more of these games start to reappear. 

[Turbo44]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

I don't. Minnesota was moving the ball at will on us. 

taking a safety is absolutely 100% the wrong thing to do.  up by 6 it's a discussion. Those who think we should have taken a safety simply don't understand football. Don't fumble to ball, fall forward, game over.  Josh fumbled, Morse got blown up and Diggs pushed Josh forward away from the ball.

[Mantis]

Winning 3 in a row is easier than winning 4 in a row.  Winning 3 in a row when 2 are at home is easier than winning them on the road.  I don't expect the team to go 17-0 in the regular season, but every loss matters.  Every loss has playoff implications.  

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Process said:

We had 4 receivers running routes on the final play. When the ball left Josh's hand three of them were in the end zone . 

 

We were on the 20 yard line. 

 

It was second down. 

 

We needed 10 yards. 

 

Had plenty of time. And two timeouts. 

 

Wtf is Dorsey doing?

 

Of course you could also make the case it was genius because it left singletary wide open underneath on a check down for what would likely be a first down. And then we get back to Allen playing like absolute garbage the last 2.5 games. 

 

What a mess.

Wtf is Dorsey doing you ask? A poor job.

[Johnnycage46]

5 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. 

 

 

Yeah, ok.  That's been working great for this team.  We are dominant on the road in the playoffs. All games matter regardless of the month it takes place.

[stinky finger]

1 minute ago, schoolhouserock said:

Not on the road we won’t.

 

I think we play better on the road.

 

[SCBills]

Sad to say that this absurdly brutal loss doesn’t sting as much.  
 

When we lost to the Dolphins and Jets, they hurt because I felt we had this Super Bowl favorite, and the 1 seed was so important. 
 

Now.. we’re just in the mix with everyone else, likely chasing KC… again. 
 

This year has played out the same way last year did.  Start out hot, beat KC, visions of the 1 seed and then flounder to the point playoffs are in question and have to hope the switch flips at some point. 

[stevewin]

13 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I was at the 6-3 game.  Took my young (at the time) son and I had to explain to him afterwards that going to games really was fun.  

There should be a support group for the brave yet scarred souls who endured that game live

 

"Hi, I'm stevewin and I was also at the 6-3 Browns game"

[BeastMaster]

16 minutes ago, Mango said:

I’ve been super critical of McBeane.

 

I think you are wrong here. Allen has been a player who has refused to take what the defense has given him forever. He’s been trying to squeeze in ill-advised throws deep since he first took a snap in the NFL. Allen’s struggles the last 3 weeks have all been his refusal to throw underneath or see the field. 
 

We have seen tons of second half JA17

So for four seasons he was near perfect when it came to INT'S in the redzone because of what exactly? You're telling me he just got lucky up until now?

 

This doesn't pass the smell test with the data we have seen over his career

 

 

[stevestojan]

Trying to go find some sand to bury my head in. Don’t want you feeling isolated here. 

[UKBillFan]

19 minutes ago, Process said:

We had 4 receivers running routes on the final play. When the ball left Josh's hand three of them were in the end zone . 

 

We were on the 20 yard line. 

 

It was second down. 

 

We needed 10 yards. 

 

Had plenty of time. And two timeouts. 

 

Wtf is Dorsey doing?

 

Of course you could also make the case it was genius because it left singletary wide open underneath on a check down for what would likely be a first down. And then we get back to Allen playing like absolute garbage the last 2.5 games. 

 

What a mess.

 

I do think we need some balance here. We put up 30 points. Josh looked far more like himself in a positive sense today than he did in the hellhole of next last week. He threw two gatbage interceptions plus had a horrible fumble (though the playcall was horrendous there) but he also made some fantastic plays as well. Would I say he was absolute garbage this week? Probably not. Not at his best and cost us the game but not absolute garbage.

 

ETA - if he looks really bad next week, this will be a sadly karmic post.

Edited November 13, 2022 by UKBillFan

[Draconator]

Just now, stevestojan said:

Trying to go find some sand to bury my head in. Don’t want you feeling isolated here. 

You'd look better...

[schoolhouserock]

1 minute ago, inaugural balls said:

 

I think we play better on the road.

 

This team has never won a road playoff game

 

they have never lost a home playoff game

[Artful Dodger]

7 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Just get in the playoffs and wins 3 or 4 in a row. This team is highly capable of doing that. 

 

 

 

You will when the Bills are playing on the road in KC in January. 

[Process]

Just now, SCBills said:

Sad to say that this absurdly brutal loss doesn’t sting as much.  
 

When we lost to the Dolphins and Jets, they hurt because I felt we had this Super Bowl favorite, and the 1 seed was so important. 
 

Now.. we’re just in the mix with everyone else, likely chasing KC… again. 
 

This year has played out the same way last year did.  Start out hot, beat KC, visions of the 1 seed and then flounder to the point playoffs are in question and have to hope the switch flips at some point. 

Technically we are still the betting favorites to win the Superbowl. But right now it feels like we are much more of a "just get to the playoffs and anything can happen" team. 

[Draconator]

Just now, Artful Dodger said:

 

You will when the Bills are playing on the road in KC in January. 

And?

[Ralonzo]

8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I mean, why not take the intentional safety after running out 10 or so seconds?

 

That error cost the game 

 

Safety was not the best option in that situation. You turn a 4 point game into a 2 point game and give them the ball with 0:44 and one timeout, needing only a field goal for the win.

 

The best option was a Tua-style slant to Diggs for 5 yards. Safe throw, quick throw, minimal chance for disaster, with the upside of: if you complete it, you win the game (one time out and two kneels). The only result that is a disaster is a turnover. What happened was a ridiculously low percentage fluke, you would not factor failing to execute the center-QB exchange into your decision because it's the most basic of basics, and is roughly the same nil risk whether a sneak or run or pass. Unless someone completely chokes, or unless there is actual voodoo in the world.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Ralonzo

[BillMafia716ix]

Really hope we can land OBJ. The Bills get zero production out the slot. The loss of Cole Beasley is really hurting us. He was Josh’s security blanket 

[stevestojan]

Just now, Draconator said:

You'd look better...

You haven’t seen the bucket yet

[stinky finger]

Just now, schoolhouserock said:

This team has never won a road playoff game

 

they have never lost a home playoff game

 

Whatever.

 

We've never won anything. I think we play better on the road.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

My big frustration is sorting through “what is the blip”. Mahomes has all of these outstanding runs that you just think “what a weird/bad stretch”

 

Allen has a lot of film with showings like today.  But the stretch you listed him as “sorted out” is just 7 games.

 

Im certainly not all the way there. But it’s a creeping thought the more of these games start to reappear. 

 

True, and I was thinking even if he does find a more secure footing will I just be sitting there wondering when the next boneheaded play or game is going to creep in? Is he forever going to be this - a thrilling player who sets the NFL alight at his best but buries the Bills at his worst.

[Iverwig]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sad to say that this absurdly brutal loss doesn’t sting as much.  
 

When we lost to the Dolphins and Jets, they hurt because I felt we had this Super Bowl favorite, and the 1 seed was so important. 
 

Now.. we’re just in the mix with everyone else, likely chasing KC… again. 
 

This year has played out the same way last year did.  Start out hot, beat KC, visions of the 1 seed and then flounder to the point playoffs are in question and have to hope the switch flips at some point. 

Coach McD special. 

[Nitro]

Dorsey is showing how green he is.  I would suggest to bring in a former OC (Frank) to help him with the game plans and play calls.  Whatever adjustments he has done, at halftime, in the past three games has done squat.   He abandons the run too quickly.  Singletary had a solid day.   When a head burn some clock.  The short pass game disappeared.  This team has the talent to score in the 30s.  The defense has crashed to earth.   Frazier should be gone after this season.   I have seen his defenses come up short in pressure situations.