NFL Week 10 - Vikings at Bills post game thread

[jcamm1966]

1 minute ago, Turbo44 said:

Do you even watch the games or just come on here afterwards to complain?.  Miller had his normal 2 high impact plays today, per usual, including a crucial sack. Last week he had a strip sack/recovered fumble that could have turned the game around.  8 sacks in 9 games (which equates to over 15 sacks in a 17 game season).  Not sure what more you want from him. Please do elaborate......

Miller had a huge sack late in the game

[Dan]

14 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

The team had 15 different chances to win that game.

 

They went 0-15.

 

Not closing games is a major problem. I don't see how this team wins 4 straight potentially close playoff games.

 

If they don't turn it around immediately, we won't have to worry about it.

Agreed... the last couple games it just fees like the other teams are making all the tough, contested plays.  While the Bills seems to be just out hustled more often than not.    They make some plays... but at THE most critical time... they fall short. 

[Turbo44]

11 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

At least the bills are as bad as the  Sabres.  gonna be playing before empty arena downtown at this rate.  Feels like last decade again.

nah - we were all thrilled when the Sabres were 6-3.  The Bills are 6-3 and half of the board says we're not even making the playoffs 

[UKBillFan]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

He is definitely not the same quarterback as last year, that is for sure. Unfortunately his mental game is falling apart and I just hope that they have enough wins to grab a wild card.

He is. This is exactly the Josh we saw against the Jags, the Colts, the Patriots in the wind game (ok, perhaps unfair), the first half of the Bucs and the Falcons.

[vincec]

Just now, Dan said:

Agreed... the last couple games it just fees like the other teams are making all the tough, contested plays.  While the Bills seems to be just out hustled more often than not.    They make some plays... but at THE most critical time... they fall short. 

I don't know, those two goal line stands seemed like big plays at critical times. More like Allen blew it. Twice.

[Niagara Dude]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I wish people would stop using injuries as an excuse. They will never be as healthy as they were last year and every single team has them. Just stop it already with the excuses. This team is mentally weak from top to bottom

Should have replaced and moved on from Frazier,  he coaches not to lose.  That 13 secs is not excusable 

[ngbills]

Just now, Dan said:

Agreed... the last couple games it just fees like the other teams are making all the tough, contested plays.  While the Bills seems to be just out hustled more often than not.    They make some plays... but at THE most critical time... they fall short. 

No killer instinct. Does McD seem like a guy with killer instinct? You take on the personality of your coach. Maybe unfortunately McD is a good to get you better but not good enough to get over the hump. I don’t know. 

 

[Maine-iac]

Would you say we can relate to Cowboys fans or Cowboys fans can relate to us?

[Bangarang]

Can anyone explain what the point of trading for Hines was? He’s a good returner but I thought his value was his role with the offense. We targeted once the entire game and I honestly don’t remember him being on the field for more than just that play. 
 

Not to mention we make no effort to get Cook the ball in space but we manage to give Duke the ball twice? Help it make sense to me. 

You get players like Cook and Hines and seemingly have no plan for either. What was even the point?
 

Can we also talk about how Beane is HORRENDOUS with 2nd round picks. His best player is Groot. 
 

The rest? Cody Ford, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, and James Cook. A collection of guys who see the field on occasion but fail to make any meaningful difference. 
 

 

[Dan]

Just now, vincec said:

I don't know, those two goal line stands seemed like big plays at critical times. More like Allen blew it. Twice.

Exactly.  But then they follow those plays up with complete fails... fumble for a td... 4th and 23.  And on and on the woes go 

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Do you even watch the games or just come on here afterwards to complain?.  Miller had his normal 2 high impact plays today, per usual, including a crucial sack. Last week he had a strip sack/recovered fumble that could have turned the game around.  8 sacks in 9 games (which equates to over 15 sacks in a 17 game season).  Not sure what more you want from him. Please do elaborate......

Maybe I’m being harsh. Just expected him to really boost the D Line and have the QBs plus the running game under constant pressure and stress. As it is, sometimes it feels like they’re still executing plays far too easily from the off. 
 

Everyone’s saying the coaches are expecting Josh to carry the Offense. Perhaps I’m being hypocritical in expecting Miller to carry a depleted defense.

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

No killer instinct. Does McD seem like a guy with killer instinct? You take on the personality of your coach. Maybe unfortunately McD is a good to get you better but not good enough to get over the hump. I don’t know. 

 

Even worse than out hustled or no killer instict we seem to make dumb plays.  The exact opposite of what you should do.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3.8 YPC and they shut him down when we needed him. 

[ngbills]

Dal about to lose too. Obj going to either Sf or kc. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Brady just showed again with his latest comeback, take short throws, 7 yards, 6 yards, 8 yards. The Vikings were giving you anything you wanted underneath.

 

Josh just going for kill shots. 

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I wish people would stop using injuries as an excuse. They will never be as healthy as they were last year and every single team has them. Just stop it already with the excuses. This team is mentally weak from top to bottom

No Hyde, no White, no Poyer, no Rousseau, no Edmunds (our defensive issues today really started when he was withdrawn)… any defense is going to have issues missing that calibre of player. But, at the same time, the brain fades seem to be everywhere.

[stevewin]

34 minutes ago, Process said:

Can't get over this. Lewis literally pins the ball to Jeffersons hand. 

 

If lewis just stops and watches the play unfold Jefferson just drops it. He didn't even have to do anything. 

 

What a ***** moron. 

 

 

My son was saying the same thing - if Lewis didn't even exist there, the ball is prob just overthrown

 

Truly unbelievable to play back so many critical, unbelievable plays that would have charged the outcome

[ngbills]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Brady just showed again with his latest comeback, take short throws, 7 yards, 6 yards, 8 yards. The Vikings were giving you anything you wanted underneath.

 

Josh just going for kill shots. 

With Allen- take the short one, not there qb run. Fake the short and go deep. So many options but they insist on long developing, side line plays or the deep middle. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Can anyone explain what the point of trading for Hines was? He’s a good returner but I thought his value was his role with the offense. We targeted once the entire game and I honestly don’t remember him being on the field for more than just that play. 
 

Not to mention we make no effort to get Cook the ball in space but we manage to give Duke the ball twice? Help it make sense to me. 

You get players like Cook and Hines and seemingly have no plan for either. What was even the point?
 

Can we also talk about how Beane is HORRENDOUS with 2nd round picks. His best player is Groot. 
 

The rest? Cody Ford, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, and James Cook. A collection of guys who see the field on occasion but fail to make any meaningful difference. 
 

 

Everything with staff seems like it moves an molasses pace.  Which is ok when they’re winning…

 

But now people are justifiably asking what is going on with Tre, why does RD2 pick Cook touch the ball so little, why did we trade for Hines…

 

Its like they want a half a season ramp up for everyone. 

[Cray51]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I wish people would stop using injuries as an excuse. They will never be as healthy as they were last year and every single team has them. Just stop it already with the excuses. This team is mentally weak from top to bottom

We are out 3 pro bowl/all-pro players in the secondary.  That is absolutely hurting us.  Its an excuse as to why QBs are able to throw up 50/50 balls and actually complete most of them.  This game isnt even close if we have Poyer and White playing

[JDubya76]

No one was dancing, they were all running around in circles trying to pick up his fumble. Ball freaking security nuckleheads.

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, SCBills said:

Its like they want a half a season ramp up for everyone. 

Maybe they're only halfway through their Powerpoint presentations and inspirational seminars?

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

My son was saying the same thing - if Lewis didn't even exist there, the ball is prob just overthrown

 

Truly unbelievable to play back so many critical, unbelievable plays that would have charged the outcome

WWE? Nice performance by the actors. It was that bad. Like Lewis was making sure Jefferson caught the ball. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

With Allen- take the short one, not there qb run. Fake the short and go deep. So many options but they insist on long developing, side line plays or the deep middle. 

Yeah and I get that you want him to stay aggressive, it’s how he won the Chiefs game, but that last pass was just awful and had absolutely no chance.

 

There was over a minute left, there was no rush there whatsoever. 

[T master]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Motor is good, but when you really really REALLY need to count on your ground attack?  He’s not good enough. 

 

Well wasn't that why they drafted Cook & picked up Hines ? Also the FB is pretty trust worthy they aren't using only a small part of the weapons they have Knox isn't used as much,Morris either, Gilliam too, hell put Keanum out wide & use some trick plays they need to do something because teams have got them figured out .

 

Josh & Diggs are the only ones they use regularly last year they had Diggs, Davis, Beasely, Sanders, Knox, & McKenzie that they used this year they are using Diggs, Davis, Singletary, all the time & McKenzie, Knox, Shakir, Sweeney, Morris, Motor, Cook, Hines, Gilliam, Johnson,  are all after thoughts very seldom used .

 

Then you have 1 other that 2 years ago was used on the Houston team to put the Bills out of the play offs but is only used on ST's that being  Tiawan Jones so there are a ton of weapons not being utilized that if they want to save the season they need to start thinking about using more of what they have at their disposal with both players & experience .

[Maine-iac]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

3.8 YPC and they shut him down when we needed him. 

He had 4 carries in the second half (3 of those in the 3rd quarter) so I don't know what you are talking about.  

[Big Turk]

2 games on FOX this week...2 14+ point blown leads...both teams lose in OT in inexcusable manners 

[Billsforumsucks]

7 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Should have replaced and moved on from Frazier,  he coaches not to lose.  That 13 secs is not excusable 

You do know that Bilicheck lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs with seconds on the clock as well right?

 

wonder why he was not fired, literally almost exact situation but no one even considered firing him.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Now to the stage where you have to root against the Chargers tonight. What a ***** joke. We should be way over this garbage 

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah and I get that you want him to stay aggressive, it’s how he won the Chiefs game, but that last pass was just awful and had absolutely no chance.

 

There was over a minute left, there was no rush there whatsoever. 

Add a couple wide open short options

[BuffaloBaumer]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

We are out 3 pro bowl/all-pro players in the secondary.  That is absolutely hurting us.  Its an excuse as to why QBs are able to throw up 50/50 balls and actually complete most of them.  This game isnt even close if we have Poyer and White playing

And yet how do you explain the offenses being the one who lost us the game again.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Everything with staff seems like it moves an molasses pace.  Which is ok when they’re winning…

 

But now people are justifiably asking what is going on with Tre, why does RD2 pick Cook touch the ball so little, why did we trade for Hines…

 

Its like they want a half a season ramp up for everyone. 

I don’t get this Cook experiment.

 

You listen to this media and this coaching staff try to explain what they are trying to accomplish running the ball and it’s a test-tube, lab experiment, off a 207-step process.

 

Thats why I said during the game, this team just refuses to turn around and hand the ball off. They just can’t bring themselves to do it.

[thewookie1]

The ending int strikes me as both a bad decision by Allen but also likely as a bad route run. When the pick is made; 3 Bills are at the the back of the end zone. It is very likely Davis was supposed to run along the goal line and instead went angling deep. 
 

Allen needs to be better as a whole with playing safe but his throw wasn’t a blind toss into triple coverage. It was a bullet meant for a guy near the goal line with nobody there.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah and I get that you want him to stay aggressive, it’s how he won the Chiefs game, but that last pass was just awful and had absolutely no chance.

 

There was over a minute left, there was no rush there whatsoever. 

 

I *believe* he expected Davis to cross the face of his defender and stay flat but instead Davis attempted to turn it up field.

 

Even so, it was a low percentage throw, especially when he had 10+ yards of free running room and may have scored on the play.

[Billsforumsucks]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Everything with staff seems like it moves an molasses pace.  Which is ok when they’re winning…

 

But now people are justifiably asking what is going on with Tre, why does RD2 pick Cook touch the ball so little, why did we trade for Hines…

 

Its like they want a half a season ramp up for everyone. 

What is going on with White? Put him on the IR if he can’t go, something definitely sour.

[boater]

I've surfed all my Bills boards and have already reached total burnout over the story of this loss.

 

Using the the words of Von Miller. Burn it all.

 

I'm on to Cleveland.

[SCBills]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I don’t get this Cook experiment.

 

You listen to this media and this coaching staff try to explain what they are trying to accomplish running the ball and it’s a test-tube, lab experiment, off a 207-step process.

 

Thats why I said during the game, this team just refuses to turn around and hand the ball off. They just can’t bring themselves to do it.

Cook looks dynamic every time he touches the ball now.  
 

Even the run where he had a 3-4 yard gain, he literally dove 3 more yards for a 7 yard gain. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

I *believe* he expected Davis to cross the face of his defender and stay flat but instead Davis attempted to turn it up field.

 

Even so, it was a low percentage throw, especially when he had 10+ yards of free running room and may have scored on the play.

It’s hard to know how to feel.

 

The ball was whistling today, he showed no signs.

 

3rd-16 and he converts, 3rd-17 and he converts, he has two huge runs, and all that good is wiped out with two rookie level throws.

 

This team really needs to run the ball and steady this offense out. Like actually stick with it ALL game long.

 

They have 4 capable backs now, 4 backs!

[BeastMaster]

46 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

He’s not getting fired. Unless there’s some unforeseen off the field behavior situation. He’s earned several benefits of the doubt. But I want him to take over the defense permanently. I also want him to influence some balance on offense. If my name is on the Main Billing here, I’m not going down with another guys philosophy. I’m taking control of the Defensive play calling at minimum. I’m also in Dorseys ear all week telling him start running the ball effectively or I’m finding someone who will. Also get your QB to value the ball or I’ll find someone that will.

Earned several benefits of the doubt? What does this even mean?

 

How many examples of bad coaching have we been subjected to?

 

How many playoff heartbreaks?

 

How long and to what degree do these "benefits of the doubt" last? Do they expire, or can he use on each year he fails to get this team to meet their expectations? Maybe he uses two if they miss the playoffs entirely?

 

This team has a window, and you could argue this is year number three of that window. So, to me...I am not giving the coach anymore get out of jail free cards because some people think he's "earned" them. To heck with all of that 

 

Expectations were SB or bust. Not even winning the division or making the playoffs is inexcusable. 

 

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Mahomes has won it all and has a MVP of the league. Allen is hoping to accomplish what Mahomes already has. There really shouldn't be any discussion on whose better. Truthfully, Tua is out playing Allen. 

Zach Wilson outplayed him last week too.