NFL Week 10 - Vikings at Bills post game thread

[Process]

Jefferson doesn't even have the ball. Lewis ends up pinning it to his hand. He catches it for him. 

 

It's hard to believe the way this team loses some of these games. 

 

Unreal. 

 

 

[larrym]

this has a real bad feel to it.  this might be the kind of loss that sends this team spiraling and ends with heads rolling. 17 owns these 2 losses and I don't know if he can ever get his head right.  he looks like he's losing confidence and that can't ever be restored once a qb loses it at this level. might be time to start reevaluating the composition of this team.  for instance the o line is subpar they can't run block and that's with kromer coaching them.  a d that almost never blitzes and is overly reliant on poyer and Hyde who seem to be breaking down now. will tre white ever be anywhere what he was?  it feels like the writing is on the wall and it's only a matter of who is getting axed.

Edited November 14, 2022 by larrym

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills coaching staff, I just wish someone is the post game media would ask them why they kept putting Dane Jackson on an island over and over again against Jefferson.

 

Instead we get, how does it feel in the locker room…

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Who is out there that you'd love to bring in instead?

Not that I’m saying we should do it, but the obvious one is Payton.

[zow2]

This loss has cut me deeper than the KC 13 seconds deal. i’m trying to figure out why. After that game i was hurt but knew we had a team, a QB that is fantastic. We’d definitely be in the mix for years.

This game and the last few have me questioning the defense, the head coach and even Josh Allen… who seems to have met his kryptonite lately.  Yes there are injuries too but those aren’t going away.  Other teams have worse injuries.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Honest question:

 

Who cares more, players or fans?

 

At the end of the day, these guys collect a check, go home and come to work the next day. 
 

Yet we suffer through decades of misery, spent countless hours and dollars and still come back for more.

 

who cares more. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, larrym said:

this has a real bad feel to it.  this might be the kind of loss that sends this team spiraling and ends with heads rolling. 17 owns these 2 losses and I don't know if he can ever get his head right.  he looks like he's losing confidence and that can't ever be restored once a qb loses it at this level. might be time to start reevaluating the composition of this team.  for instance the o line is subpar they can't run block and that's with kromer coaching them.  a d that almost never blitzes and is overly reliant on poyer and Hyde who seem to be breaking down now. will tre white ever be anywhere what he was?  it feels like the writing is on the wall and it's only a matter of who is getting axed.

This just doesn’t make any sense, Allen got the Bills the tying Field Goal, and then ran the ball down the Vikings throat and put the Bills in great position.

 

Now it’s Josh’s mental state, and phantom concussions. 
 

 

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

Jefferson doesn't even have the ball. Lewis ends up pinning it to his hand. He catches it for him. 

 

It's hard to believe the way this team loses some of these games. 

 

Unreal. 

 

 

oh.  

 

My.  

 

 

God.

Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Honest question:

 

Who cares more, players or fans?

 

At the end of the day, these guys collect a check, go home and come to work the next day. 
 

Yet we suffer through decades of misery, spent countless hours and dollars and still come back for more.

 

who cares more. 

fans.   100000%.

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

Jefferson doesn't even have the ball. Lewis ends up pinning it to his hand. He catches it for him. 

 

It's hard to believe the way this team loses some of these games. 

 

Unreal. 

 

 

 

It's what happens when the entire starting secondary is hurt and we have to resort to hyping up these nobody scrubs. We did it for four years with Levi Wallace. 

[Billsforumsucks]

We are currently the 6th seed, if Chargers win. If Chargers lose we are the 5th seed.

 

With Cincys schedule that probably puts us down to the 7th seed.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Flucod

[EmotionallyUnstable]

JUST KNOCK THE ***** BALL DOWN MY GOD 

[Maine-iac]

When McDermott first got here we had a scoring offense and couldn't stop teams.  They went completely vanilla, no wr's, and ground thier way into the playoffs with Taylor.  I was thinking if we could score some points McDermott would be our Belichick and this QB could be our Brady.  Well we have plenty of story left to be written but Allen needs to work on ball security to be our Brady and McDermott needs to get this defense back to putting fear into teams and making less mistakes.   No doubt I believe we have the players and coaches to win anywhere against anyone but it is little consolation when week after week you are just beating yourself.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

week after week you are just beating yourself.

They say eventually you’ll go blind…

[Maine-iac]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

They say eventually you’ll go blind…

So then I would only have to listen to it 

[Real McClappy]

7 minutes ago, Process said:

Jefferson doesn't even have the ball. Lewis ends up pinning it to his hand. He catches it for him. 

 

It's hard to believe the way this team loses some of these games. 

 

Unreal. 

 

 

That catch about sums this entire post game thread up on how we lost.  I hope our horseshoe comes in the playoffs.

[RiotAct]

Just now, Real McNasty said:

That catch about sums this entire post game thread up on how we lost.  I hope our horseshoe comes in the playoffs.

Patty M owns all the horseshoes

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

So then I would only have to listen to it 

Listen to the Sounds of... Fapping?

[Bimmer323i]

I know there’s more than just one thing as to why we’re playing so poorly but I’ll start with turnovers… if we don’t turn the ball over we win this game and the jets game also…. I don’t know what’s up Josh but it’s kinda shocking to say the least 

[Livinginthepast]

17 minutes ago, Process said:

Jefferson doesn't even have the ball. Lewis ends up pinning it to his hand. He catches it for him. 

 

It's hard to believe the way this team loses some of these games. 

 

Unreal. 

 

 

All he had to do was knock it down but instead he goes for the INT and then allows a guy falling backwards with one hand to wrench it from him! 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

It’s funny all the “just knock the ball down” angst at Cam. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But that was actually a heck of a play by Cam. Well positioned; he outjumped Jefferson by a mile; made a play on the ball. 
 

what he could not have expected was that Jefferson would be able to fully extend 1 hand back from where he was to basically steal that ball from him. Just an absolutely fluke play. 
 

As much as the secondary got beat up today by Jefferson, the coverage was remarkably good. I just have no idea how some of the balls made it through defender’s arms and Jefferson was still

able to catch them. Great skill by him, but some luck too.
 

The one in OT down to the goal line was textbook coverage by Jackson and the ball somehow made it to JJ? Or the slant to the goal line (before the Ham TD), played really well by Benford, who had his arm in front of the ball AND the ball was tipped at the LOS— yet it was still caught. Just some crazy stuff. 

[IronyAbounds]

1 hour ago, jcamm1966 said:

They are reading and hearing the noise from the media, Power rankings, SB talk, ect, Meanwhile KC just rolling along , Josh is not handling the fame and praise well, The picks are a big problem, The I can do anything throws are killing us, this team has no killer or put team away , Secondary is a mess Lewis and Johnson have no business being out there, Our DB's never ever look back for the ball. Wildcard at best me think

I'll cut the defense some slack. You have guys in the secondary out there who would likely be on the practice squad absent injuries. Losing the best safety tandem in football inevitably hurts. What's going on with Allen is far more inexplicable. I'd take a closer look at the 1st half other Packer game to see if he suffered a possible concussion. His decision making in the last 10 quarters is full of bonehead decisions and bad throws. That last interception was Noah Petermanesque.

[Maine-iac]

Henry 19 carries 53 yards.  You think they are going to stop giving him the ball?  I'm not saying any of our RB's are Henry or that they need 20 carries but if they get 10 carries in the first half and we are leading by several scores they should probably get more than 2 or 3 more carries in the second half.

[Livinginthepast]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

It’s funny all the “just knock the ball down” angst at Cam. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But that was actually a heck of a play by Cam. Well positioned; he outjumped Jefferson by a mile; made a play on the ball. 
 

what he could not have expected was that Jefferson would be able to fully extend 1 hand back from where he was to basically steal that ball from him. Just an absolutely fluke play. 
 

As much as the secondary got beat up today by Jefferson, the coverage was remarkably good. I just have no idea how some of the balls made it through defender’s arms and Jefferson was still

able to catch them. Great skill by him, but some luck too.
 

The one in OT down to the goal line was textbook coverage by Jackson and the ball somehow made it to JJ? Or the slant to the goal line (before the Ham TD), played really well by Benford, who had his arm in front of the ball AND the ball was tipped at the LOS— yet it was still caught. Just some crazy stuff. 

The Jefferson catch doesnt happen if the Bills Db slaps it out of bounds . The game is over. Its a stupid mistake that is killer. The Bills player actually out jumps Jefferson !

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

All he had to do was knock it down but instead he goes for the INT and then allows a guy falling backwards with one hand to wrench it from him! 

This is on the Bills coaching staff.

 

The Vikings had one player that could hurt them. 
 

And time and time again they left that corner on an island.

 

4th-18 or 22 or whatever it was you knew he was going to go that way, and this McDermott staff made no adjustments, no double team, nothing. 
 

It happened over and over again. 

[The Jokeman]

The fumble at the 1 was just inexcusable. I love Josh but damn it man. Same thing with the interception in OT.

Edited November 14, 2022 by The Jokeman

[Cray51]

30 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

This isn't 1995 anymore.  Offense is the name of the game.  Defenses can only hope to slow teams down.   This offense scored 6 points over the final 40 minutes.  

Scoring leaders average 30 points a game.  Bills have statistically a great defense.  If we put up 24+ (league average offense), our defense should hold and we should win.  Unfortunately our secondary is thin so they have struggled to stop top receiving threats

[Process]

5 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

All he had to do was knock it down but instead he goes for the INT and then allows a guy falling backwards with one hand to wrench it from him! 

All he had to do was not exist.... if he does absolutely nothing the ball falls incomplete 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Bills Starting Secondary Today:

 

- 6th Rd CB

- 6th Rd S

- 7th Rd CB

- Undrafted S

 

 

 

[Niagara Dude]

59 minutes ago, Flucod said:

You do know that Bilicheck lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs with seconds on the clock as well right?

 

wonder why he was not fired, literally almost exact situation but no one even considered firing him.

You know the Patriots won multiple titles with Billcheck? not sure how many titles Frazier has under his belt as a cordinator

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

It’s funny all the “just knock the ball down” angst at Cam. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But that was actually a heck of a play by Cam. Well positioned; he outjumped Jefferson by a mile; made a play on the ball. 
 

what he could not have expected was that Jefferson would be able to fully extend 1 hand back from where he was to basically steal that ball from him. Just an absolutely fluke play. 
 

As much as the secondary got beat up today by Jefferson, the coverage was remarkably good. I just have no idea how some of the balls made it through defender’s arms and Jefferson was still

able to catch them. Great skill by him, but some luck too.
 

The one in OT down to the goal line was textbook coverage by Jackson and the ball somehow made it to JJ? Or the slant to the goal line (before the Ham TD), played really well by Benford, who had his arm in front of the ball AND the ball was tipped at the LOS— yet it was still caught. Just some crazy stuff. 

It’s the traditional “point the finger at anything or anyone to take the heat off Josh” approach. Josh kept us in the game but he also cost us it. Any player in Lewis’ position then would go for the interception. If he didn’t we’d all be moaning at hom for not catching the ball (see Milano).

Edited November 14, 2022 by UKBillFan

[pigpen65]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

It’s funny all the “just knock the ball down” angst at Cam. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But that was actually a heck of a play by Cam. Well positioned; he outjumped Jefferson by a mile; made a play on the ball. 
 

what he could not have expected was that Jefferson would be able to fully extend 1 hand back from where he was to basically steal that ball from him. Just an absolutely fluke play. 
 

As much as the secondary got beat up today by Jefferson, the coverage was remarkably good. I just have no idea how some of the balls made it through defender’s arms and Jefferson was still

able to catch them. Great skill by him, but some luck too.
 

The one in OT down to the goal line was textbook coverage by Jackson and the ball somehow made it to JJ? Or the slant to the goal line (before the Ham TD), played really well by Benford, who had his arm in front of the ball AND the ball was tipped at the LOS— yet it was still caught. Just some crazy stuff. 

Best case scenario is that he actually intercepts it and costs the offense 20 yards of field position. The only play was to bat it down. Going for the INT was pure selfishness 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

You have Kirk Cousins literally turtling and throwing blindly in that direction.

 

 

You knew they only had #18 to go to, we all knew it, everyone but our coaching staff knew it. 

[Livinginthepast]

Just now, Process said:

All he had to do was not exist.... if he does absolutely nothing the ball falls incomplete 

Maybe or a sudden gust of intense orchard park wind blow it into Jeffersons hands! Thats the kind of day it was for the Bills.

[Niagara Dude]

Just now, Niagara Dude said:

You know the Patriots won multiple titles with Billcheck? not sure how many titles Frazier has under his belt as a cordinator

How many late game collapses because our defence cannot get off the field under Frazier do we need to have before changes are made.  I could go back to the Houston playoff game where we gave up some crazy 4 and long play.  Last week,  same thing against the Jets.  Tired of watching him coach not to lose 

[Billsforumsucks]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You have Kirk Cousins literally turtling and throwing blindly in that direction.

 

 

You knew they only had #18 to go to, we all knew it, everyone but our coaching staff knew it. 

He was doubled covered, over and under.

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

How many late game collapses because our defence cannot get off the field under Frazier do we need to have before changes are made.  I could go back to the Houston playoff game where we gave up some crazy 4 and long play.  Last week,  same thing against the Jets.  Tired of watching him coach not to lose 

The problem with coaching not to lose... is that you lose.  A lot.

[Sestak4ever]

The team discipline has been a concern. We have turned the ball over all season. We were fortunate enough to have large enough leads in some of the early games that the turnovers didn't hurt us. I think the discipline also carries over to our offensive play calling. Early in the season we were marching down the field with high percentage quick throws which ate clock and lead to tds. We've gotten away from that which also makes Josh more vulnerable to the pass rush. Also, do we even have a screen pass play in our playbook? It would work so well when we recognize blitzes, but we never execute one.

[JDubya76]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

It’s the traditional “point the finger at anything or anyone to take the heat off Josh” approach. Josh kept us on the came but he also cost it. Any player in Lewis’ position then would go for the interception. If he didn’t we’d all be moaning at hom for not catching the ball (see Milano).

Well, let’s unwrap this pearl of wisdom.

 

if our idiot DB would have been a team first guy and knocked the ball down we would have taken possession 30 yards up field, so no, no one would have been mad like they were at Milano. Instead our idiot DB goes for the pick because his stats are important and basically helps Jefferson catch the football.  

[Maine-iac]

6 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Scoring leaders average 30 points a game.  Bills have statistically a great defense.  If we put up 24+ (league average offense), our defense should hold and we should win.  Unfortunately our secondary is thin so they have struggled to stop top receiving threats

and our offense spotted them a TD

[Billsforumsucks]

7 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

You know the Patriots won multiple titles with Billcheck? not sure how many titles Frazier has under his belt as a cordinator

Ok, so Billicheck ran the EXACT defense that we did and lost the same way but gets a pass. Got it, maybe it was good coaching and poor player execution. We have great coaches, maybe you want Dick Jauron back?

 

Did you complain about Marv Levy as well?

Edited November 14, 2022 by Flucod