Broncos getting trade calls for Jeudy and Chubb

[LABILLBACKER]

On 10/24/2022 at 10:29 AM, gonzo1105 said:

If I were looking at a player from Denver I'd probably go after KJ Hamler. Explosive slot guy who can get vertical. Wouldn't cost as much as Jeudy or Chubb but i'm sure wouldn't be cheap either so I suspect we wouldn't make a move on that. 

Throw in Hamler with Chubb and I'd give a 2nd & 3rd plus AJ.

[Logic]

I know it's not gonna happen, but I would LOVE it if the Bills traded for Jeudy.

He'd be an immediate upgrade in the slot. 

He's on a cost controlled rookie deal for two more seasons.

He'd be a big time playmaker in this offense, I think.

Diggs/Davis is an excellent duo, but adding Jeudy would push the Bills WR corps into "best in the league" territory, in my opinion.

Alas, I doubt Beane would want to give up the draft compensation it would probably take to get Jeudy (and who could blame him?), and the Broncos probably aren't keen to trade him because they're lying to themselves and thinking they're contenders.

[thenorthremembers]

If you can get Jeudy for a 2nd and a day 2 pick you should 100% do it.  Automatically an upgrade over McKenzie, and you get two very cheap years out of him instead of a rental player.

 

[78thealltimegreat]

Id take Hamler in a second to play the slot over McKenzie 

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

McBeane are probably more inclined to want to give Shakir more reps in the slot than trade compensation for Jeudy… still think OBJ is in play later in the year. 

I agree on both counts.

Personally, I'd rather have 23 year old Jerry Jeudy, who can play right away for Buffalo, than soon-to-be 30 year old OBJ coming off two ACL tears, who probably can't play until December or January and whose effectiveness after those injuries is to be determined.

The key difference, of course, is that OBJ can be had without having to give up draft picks. On the other hand, I believe Jeudy would be cheaper, and that's not nothing when it comes to a team as close to the cap as the Bills are.

It's all moot, I think, because I haven't even seen any evidence that the Broncos want to trade Jeudy anyway.

[Starr Almighty]

Moss and a 5th for both players. Did I do this right? I see this offer in every trade thread lol

[GolfandBills]

13 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Moss and a 5th for both players. Did I do this right? I see this offer in every trade thread lol

Bills need to put this offer on a billboard in every NFL city

[Alphadawg7]

Missed in all this is that Juedy the last 2 seasons has a 50% catch rate.  Which is atrocious.  

[Rc2catch]

If we don’t like McKenzie anymore you’re probably not going to like Jeudy. Similar players, great athletes but kinda awkward football players. 
I have seen Jeudy trip over his own feet more than once, run the wrong routes, mis time jumps and as alpha states above the hands can be suspect.. Juedy and Chubb won’t be sold away cheap. 

[Scott7975]

On 10/23/2022 at 11:07 AM, uninja said:

JJ’s hands are suspect. So weird because he was so sure handed in college. 
 

He’s been top 20 in drops since entering the league, breaking top 10 in 2021. 
 

 

 

Zay Jones was the same way I think.  I dont watch college but I heard he had good hands in college.

37 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Moss and a 5th for both players. Did I do this right? I see this offer in every trade thread lol

 

Why do people keep wanting to throw draft picks away.  Moss alone should be enough to get it done.

[Bray Wyatt]

31 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Bills need to put this offer on a billboard in every NFL city

Im surprised we don’t have a user on TBD at this point whose name is MossAndA5th

[Turbo44]

Our offense is very complex to learn too. Not very conducive for a WR to come in and pick up immediately 

[LABILLBACKER]

40 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

If we don’t like McKenzie anymore you’re probably not going to like Jeudy. Similar players, great athletes but kinda awkward football players. 
I have seen Jeudy trip over his own feet more than once, run the wrong routes, mis time jumps and as alpha states above the hands can be suspect.. Juedy and Chubb won’t be sold away cheap. 

I don't want any part of Juedy or McKenzie.  Roll with Shakir in the slot and maybe Hamler could be had. Chubb would be amazing opposite Von but probably too expensive. 

[Big Blitz]

Confirmed….

 

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I think the Bills want to roll with shakir. I don't believe that either McKenzie or Crowder are under contract next year so Shakir will be the uncontested starter.

 

Chubb is a different case in that he could spell both Von and Groot.

 

Ernie Acorsi who built the world champion giants said you can never have enough pass rushing DEs.

 

So you could have Chubb opposite of Von or opposite of Groot and rest Von. You could even sprinkle Boogie in there keeping all 4 fresh for the end of the game and even the end of the season

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Confirmed….

 

 

What’s confirmed? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Confirmed….

 

 

Hackett is in so far over his head. He may not last the season. 

[Scott7975]

No thanks on Jeudy.  He may have worse drop problems than Zay Jones had.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

No thanks on Jeudy.  He may have worse drop problems than Zay Jones had.  

 

He was supposed to be this great route runner who's always open, with the best hands in his class.  He never is.  He drops balls.  Isn't a deep threat despite his 40 time.  

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Missed in all this is that Juedy the last 2 seasons has a 50% catch rate.  Which is atrocious.  

 

Full guarantee for year 4 which is reasonable, but then you basically have to dump him to UFA because there is 0 chance you give that guy a 5th year option.  

 

11 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I think the Bills want to roll with shakir. I don't believe that either McKenzie or Crowder are under contract next year so Shakir will be the uncontested starter.

 

Chubb is a different case in that he could spell both Von and Groot.

 

Ernie Acorsi who built the world champion giants said you can never have enough pass rushing DEs.

 

So you could have Chubb opposite of Von or opposite of Groot and rest Von. You could even sprinkle Boogie in there keeping all 4 fresh for the end of the game and even the end of the season

 

Chubb is also... a good player?  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 10/24/2022 at 2:46 PM, Bangarang said:

Can’t imagine BB would give up picks for a guy in the final year of his contract and looking for a big pay day. We won’t be able to afford Chubb’s new deal. 
 

Next year is when Allen’s big money starts and we need those draft picks for cheap, young talent. 
 

Value wise, it’s not a terrible offer though. 

 

I'm open to Chubb if it sends out another contract - the only one they'd probably want is AJ or Boogie though.  

 

As for any of their WRs - its clear to me that none of them are worth what the ask likely is.  

[GunnerBill]

I do think there remains talent there with Jeudy and I can understand teams calling. If I was the Green Bay Packers for example I take that risk. As the Bills? Not so much. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

I do think there remains talent there with Jeudy and I can understand teams calling. If I was the Green Bay Packers for example I take that risk. As the Bills? Not so much. 

 

Very true.  If WRs are what is killing your offense its a no brainer.  The problem is... Denver's WRs are killing their offense and he is one of them.  

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Hackett is in so far over his head. He may not last the season. 

 

Allegedly out if he loses this weekend. 

Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Very true.  If WRs are what is killing your offense its a no brainer.  The problem is... Denver's WRs are killing their offense and he is one of them.  

 

Nah. Denver's QB is killing their offense more than anyone else. I totally agree Jeudy has disappointed so far as a pro but the ceiling is still high and I think a team like the Packers or even the Ravens would think it is worth the gamble that you can get his best out of him. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Allegedly out if he loses this weekend. 

 

Nah. Denver's QB is killing their offense more than anyone else. I totally agree Jeudy has disappointed so far as a pro but the ceiling is still high and I think a team like the Packers or even the Ravens would think it is worth the gamble that you can get his best out of him. 

 

Combination with playcalling- they run the ball too much and not particularly effectively.  Not enough first down passing, not enough play action.  1st down? they're looking to run.  3rd and short? run.  It's so predictable.  Teams load the box and they still run.  

 

As for the WRs - watching like 3 denver games this year I'm not a big fan.  I know Wilson missed a few reads - but on other ones no one is open, then he scrambles, and still no one is open.  Sutton is a good player, but he's basically parker (or Metcalf lite - not as fast or physical) so you're a bit limited in what you can do with him.  Nothing at the TE position.  Jeudy and Hamler are supposed to be fast route running options and i just never see them making plays. 

 

The coordinator/coach doesn't know how to scheme up anything either.  I know Hacketts likely to get fired, hes terrible at gameday management so why even hire a seasoned coordinator - just start fresh.  My guess is Sean Payton, they're going to want someone with HC experience to try and get the team together around Wilson.  And they will pay a lot of money to do so.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Combination with playcalling- they run the ball too much and not particularly effectively.  Not enough first down passing, not enough play action.  1st down? they're looking to run.  3rd and short? run.  It's so predictable.  Teams load the box and they still run.  

 

As for the WRs - watching like 3 denver games this year I'm not a big fan.  I know Wilson missed a few reads - but on other ones no one is open, then he scrambles, and still no one is open.  Sutton is a good player, but he's basically parker (or Metcalf lite - not as fast or physical) so you're a bit limited in what you can do with him.  Nothing at the TE position.  Jeudy and Hamler are supposed to be fast route running options and i just never see them making plays. 

 

The coordinator/coach doesn't know how to scheme up anything either.  I know Hacketts likely to get fired, hes terrible at gameday management so why even hire a seasoned coordinator - just start fresh.  My guess is Sean Payton, they're going to want someone with HC experience to try and get the team together around Wilson.  And they will pay a lot of money to do so.  

 

And unless Wilson plays better, none of it will matter. There have been guys open. Not every down, but he has failed to see WIDE open receivers multiple times in redzone situations. Yes, the skill positions can play better, yes Hackett sucks (he always did) but the biggest problem in Denver this year has been Russell Wilson.

Edited October 27, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And unless Wilson plays better, none of it will matter. There have been guys open. Not every down, but he has failed to see WIDE open receivers multiple times in redzone situations. Yes, the skill positions can play better, yes Hackett sucks (he always did) but the biggest problem in Denver this year has been Russell Wilson.

 

I honestly think Drew Locke would be better for the Broncos than Wilson.  Wilson is bottom 5 QB right now.

[C.Biscuit97]

Would bet money in them not trading either. They have new super rich owners and want to win. 
 

that said, I think they should try to move Jeudy before his value gets lower. Not really sure why he hasn’t taken off but a fresh start could be good for him. 

[starrymessenger]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Would bet money in them not trading either. They have new super rich owners and want to win. 
 

that said, I think they should try to move Jeudy before his value gets lower. Not really sure why he hasn’t taken off but a fresh start could be good for him. 

If he couldn't flourish in this offence for sure he's a bust. I think there is a good chance he would flourish.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

If he couldn't flourish in this offence for sure he's a bust. I think there is a good chance he would flourish.

For sure. I believe his best trait at the draft was route running and getting open. To be fair, he has played with a lot of crap at qb too. Can’t believe Wilson is this bad.

[Thurman#1]

On 10/24/2022 at 1:40 AM, Nextmanup said:

It's because no position on the field (other than QB) translates to wins more than a stud WR, and adding another TOP WR to this roster now is perceived as a move that would put us over the top.  Take a great offense and make it literally indefensible.  

 

You know, a last minute, trade deadline kind of move designed to get a championship here and NOW.

 

If we can acquire some backup OL talent, I'm in favor of that too.  If one or 2 of our guys goes down, having better replacements could be the difference between winning the SB and NOT.

 

 

 

 

Beane and McD aren't in it for the short term only. 

 

Even if they were, barring injury (and in case of injury we'll have needs anywhere it happens) a #3 WR is going to get how many more catches than Shakir, Crowder, Kumerow or whoever plays #3 this particular drive? It's not a big differential and the effect it would have would most likely just be taking catches away from Diggs, Knox, and Davis.

 

The FO made it clear from their first press conferences that they want to be competitive every year. Which means they won't be trading away the long-term interests of this team. Which means they might trade for someone, again, most likely OG, I'd guess, but it won't be for someone who requires a ton of draft, cap or human capital to bring in or keep.

[starrymessenger]

22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

For sure. I believe his best trait at the draft was route running and getting open. To be fair, he has played with a lot of crap at qb too. Can’t believe Wilson is this bad.

If he came to Buffalo his QB would be Josh Allen, the #1 player in the game today at the all important position. Josh Allen brings the best out of everyone. Jeudy would be no different imo. He'd also be entering a WR room with Diggs and Davis, veterans and consummate professionals. Somehow I take that to be a very different place than the Denver WR room. Those guys would also take some of the pressure of immediate high expectations off of him and give him time to adjust. If he pans out he helps take this O to another level and provides insurance against the loss through injury of one of our star wideouts. 
Bills are a strong championship contender and clearly one of the best organizations in the league top to bottom. He could not land in a better place from his perspective.

Hes had issues with drops recently and while a concern I suspect these are concentration lapses that should be correctable. As others have said he was considered to be sure handed coming out. 
He wouldn't come cheap, maybe a 2023 2nd and a mid to late pick in 2024 (assuming Denver is even interested). I don't think Beane would go there even if Jeudy is cap friendly so for sure I don't expect a trade.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Denver doesn't have draft picks.  2+4 for Chubb is fair

[4thandGoal]

Jeudy is trash and I would not even think about trading for him.  If we did - he would become another target for Bills fan to talk sh*t about. Bradley Chubb-- I would take him for a 3rd rd pick

[SCBills]

I'd throw a mid-round pick out there for Jeudy. 

 

He's on the 3rd year of his rookie deal and I'm pretty confident in Chad Hall, Stefon Diggs and Josh Allen to bring out the best in him. 

 

[Nitro]

On 10/24/2022 at 7:04 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

What if they take Zach Moss?

Respectfully, that’s an insane opinion 

Have you watched him play?  He runs poor routes and drops passes.  Insane is not understanding he would not add anything to this roster.  

[mannc]

22 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

If he came to Buffalo his QB would be Josh Allen, the #1 player in the game today at the all important position. Josh Allen brings the best out of everyone. Jeudy would be no different imo. He'd also be entering a WR room with Diggs and Davis, veterans and consummate professionals. Somehow I take that to be a very different place than the Denver WR room. Those guys would also take some of the pressure of immediate high expectations off of him and give him time to adjust. If he pans out he helps take this O to another level and provides insurance against the loss through injury of one of our star wideouts. 
Bills are a strong championship contender and clearly one of the best organizations in the league top to bottom. He could not land in a better place from his perspective.

Hes had issues with drops recently and while a concern I suspect these are concentration lapses that should be correctable. As others have said he was considered to be sure handed coming out. 
He wouldn't come cheap, maybe a 2023 2nd and a mid to late pick in 2024 (assuming Denver is even interested). I don't think Beane would go there even if Jeudy is cap friendly so for sure I don't expect a trade.

 

 

The Bills are going to draft at least one WR every year…they are a WR-centric offense and they will always want new blood in the pipeline.  If they trade a second or third for Jeudy, I just consider that their 2023 WR investment in advance.

 

I haven’t followed Jeudy closely as a pro, but I know that (1) he was considered possibly the most talented receiver in the draft when he came out, and (2) he’s played in an absolute garbage offense since day one as a pro.  Based on those two things alone, I’d say he’s worth a serious look from the Bills.  FWW, I’ve never heard anything negative about him as a person; Alabama guys tend to have their s**t together.

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by mannc

[Coach Tuesday]

Giants trying to trade for Jeudy per the interwebs.

[HappyDays]

No way Claypool gets traded at that price.

[KDIGGZ]

I think the Steelers would be dumb to trade Claypool for a 2nd. Who can they get in the 2nd that's as good as him? They need to have guys for baby hands to throw to. Pickens is very very good and Claypool has good size

[Warriorspikes51]

taking a chance on Claypool would be interesting.