Concussion Bowl?

[The Red King]

Tomlin said Pickett will start Sunday night if he passes concussion protocols, and it looks like Tua returns Sunday as well.  If that all works out, you will have two QB just cleared to play after being concussed meeting this weekend.  How do people feel about this?  I mean it as an honest question.  Do you think either or both are returning too soon?  I didn't see how bad Pickett's injury was, but I still worry for Tua's health.  Are we going to see him blasted out of play on prime time again?

Edited October 18, 2022 by The Red King

[BuffaloMatt]

I'm fine with them playing Sunday. Risks come with any job. Their compensation is commensurate with their risks. They are adults and should be able to be their own voice if they are not ready to return or have concerns about repeated head injuries. Other players have chosen to retire to protect their mind. Others have not. If they are ready and want to play only the doctors that they are relying on for clearance can be the ones to say they can't play.  

 

It's interesting that fans of football and the sports media that love to watch and cover MMA/Boxing/Hockey somehow overlook head injuries in those sports. 

[wjag]

Tua better hope Heyward doesn’t catch him. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

Tua better hope Heyward doesn’t catch him. 

Might get another back injury????🤬🤬🤬

[rusty shackleford]

At least Tua stands a chance of not getting a 3rd with T.J. Watt still out.

[RoyBatty is alive]

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFLPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit for a few more weeks.

Edited October 18, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[mrags]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit or a few more weeks.

Bah screw. Let them sink their own ship. This is all on the Phins and that idiot HC. Oh, and Tua for not just retiring which he should be doing 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, rusty shackleford said:

At least Tua stands a chance of not getting a 3rd with T.J. Watt still out.

 

I don't know why, but I have a feeling that Tua goes into protocol again this year. 

Also, I am not confident NFL doctors are real doctors....or even real humans. Like with Jordan Poyers chest/lung. Most of our doctors wouldn't let us play bar league hockey let alone NFL football.

Just now, mrags said:

Bah screw. Let them sink their own ship. This is all on the Phins and that idiot HC. Oh, and Tua for not just retiring which he should be doing 

 

This is my take on most things. Guys want to play through some Schitt's Creek and start walking with a walker at 45 years old? By all means, what do I care. 

But you don't mess with your brain, and most of the time athletes need protecting from themselves. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Bah screw. Let them sink their own ship. This is all on the Phins and that idiot HC. Oh, and Tua for not just retiring which he should be doing 

Tua can retire from football today, he has enough name recognition, is smart and articulate, he should go into broadcasting right now.  If Tua was my brother or son that is what I would tell him to do.

[rusty shackleford]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't know why, but I have a feeling that Tua goes into protocol again this year. 

 

Also, I am not confident NFL doctors are real doctors....or even real humans. Like with Jordan Poyers chest/lung. Most of our doctors wouldn't let us play bar league hockey let alone NFL football.

I get that feeling too. If not another concussion, he'll get injured somehow. He just doesn't seem to have the awareness to see hits coming and doesn't have the body that can take them.

 

I thought the Poyer situation was strange too. I understand the air pressure changes and how that can be a risk to his condition, but wouldn't another player slamming into his chest be a similar risk.

[BillsShredder83]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Tua can retire from football today, he has enough name recognition, is smart and articulate, he should go into broadcasting right now.  If Tua was my brother or son that is what I would tell him to do.

Just an observation but I don't think anyone's saying that if he's out there killing it. If you're going to kill your brain I can atleast comprehend the Brett Farves out there unable to hang it up. Doing that for a ceiling of a Trent Edward's career seems like more of a waste.

 

Dudes really young though, and I don't think you make it thos far without having some "but that can't happen to me" mentality. He's 24, it's what I would've done at that age, drunk on testosterone.

 

I dont have a point here just observations 

[GolfandBills]

My couldn’t give two craps meter is very high 

[mrags]

16 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't know why, but I have a feeling that Tua goes into protocol again this year. 

Also, I am not confident NFL doctors are real doctors....or even real humans. Like with Jordan Poyers chest/lung. Most of our doctors wouldn't let us play bar league hockey let alone NFL football.

 

This is my take on most things. Guys want to play through some Schitt's Creek and start walking with a walker at 45 years old? By all means, what do I care. 

But you don't mess with your brain, and most of the time athletes need protecting from themselves. 

He’s an adult and can make his own decisions. He’s made millions and if he cared for his health he’ll do what he feels is right. My guess is he’ll continue to play. And I’m not saying he will have another concussion, but he will likely get many more injuries because he has the awareness of a blond cat. 

9 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:

I get that feeling too. If not another concussion, he'll get injured somehow. He just doesn't seem to have the awareness to see hits coming and doesn't have the body that can take them.

 

I thought the Poyer situation was strange too. I understand the air pressure changes and how that can be a risk to his condition, but wouldn't another player slamming into his chest be a similar risk.

This 

[RoyBatty is alive]

19 minutes ago, mrags said:

Bah screw. Let them sink their own ship. This is all on the Phins and that idiot HC. Oh, and Tua for not just retiring which he should be doing 

Apparently, the Dolphins will keep trying to sink their won ship.

 

" The Dolphins lost 24-16 to the Dolphins on Sunday, but instead of getting into the particulars of that, I would like to know why Miami left tackle Greg Little was allowed to stay in the game for the entire game -- he tied for the lead by participating in all 78 of Miami's offensive snaps -- despite the fact that he clearly showed the effects of head trauma after he was inadvertently kicked in the head by Minnesota linebacker Eric Kendricks. "

 

I admit I dont like the Dolphins and I want to see McDaniels fail.

[Alphadawg7]

I honestly could care less.  If they are cleared to play, they are cleared to play.  Why should anyone care otherwise?  

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[mrags]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Apparently, the Dolphins will keep trying to sink their won ship.

 

" The Dolphins lost 24-16 to the Dolphins on Sunday, but instead of getting into the particulars of that, I would like to know why Miami left tackle Greg Little was allowed to stay in the game for the entire game -- he tied for the lead by participating in all 78 of Miami's offensive snaps -- despite the fact that he clearly showed the effects of head trauma after he was inadvertently kicked in the head by Minnesota linebacker Eric Kendricks. "

 

I admit I dont like the Dolphins and I want to see McDaniels fail.

We’re probably better off if he does just well enough to keep Job and continue to sink his team for as long as possible 

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I honestly could care less.  If they are cleared to play, they are cleared to play.  Who cares otherwise?  

Not me. 

[Warcodered]

On a certain level it is a, he knows the risks and is making the decision, on another level he's a young guy and could have a lot of life that could be much worse for him the way things are going.

 

It's a tough situation either way, the length he was out after two close concussions makes this seem like a bad idea.

[The Red King]

Miami is all-in on Tua, but they're playing a dangerous game with their future.  They already paid hard for their last risk.  My only fear is that the NFL will tell the refs to keep him safe (for public image), and he starts getting the Brady treatment.

 

This just seems way too soon.

[Bubba Gump]

One more for Tua in the near future and he can kiss his career goodbye. He's an idiot for wanting to play so soon. 

[BullBuchanan]

It used to be the norm for guys to bounce back if they could physically go. Of course, as a result, you end up with a Jim McMahon or two, but we probably wouldn't be talking about this at all if it was 10, or maybe even 5 years ago.

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, rusty shackleford said:

At least Tua stands a chance of not getting a 3rd with T.J. Watt still out.

That was going to be my first question.  Has Watt been re-activated yet and/or practicing?  If he was, I would make Tua a game time decision.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFLPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit for a few more weeks.

 

I know concussions are a brain injury, and it can happen to anyone. Having said that, having a big, strong, athletic QB makes it harder to whip them around like a rag doll. I fear for Tua’s long term health as he’s not fast enough to get away, nor is he big enough to put up much of a struggle. BOOM goes the head off the turf. So now the league will have us lay them down gently on a down pillow. It’s getting further away from what I remember as “football”. 

[zow2]

Probably, in a perfect world Tua or Pickett would rest their bruised brains for the season. But it’s NFL football, and guys have been playing with concussions or slightly removed from a concussion for 80 years or whatever. So if they feel well enough to play and doctors clear them, i’m fine with it. 

Just hope they do everything they can do to protect themselves. 

[Warcodered]

17 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Miami is all-in on Tua, but they're playing a dangerous game with their future.  They already paid hard for their last risk.  My only fear is that the NFL will tell the refs to keep him safe (for public image), and he starts getting the Brady treatment.

 

This just seems way too soon.

They're playing a dangerous game with his future; the rest of the team, the part that's actually pretty good, will still be there if they turn him into a vegetable.

[AlfaBill]

6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFLPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit for a few more weeks.

Functional idiot. I literally LOLd 

[RiotAct]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

We’re probably better off if he does just well enough to keep Job and continue to sink his team for as long as possible 

lol, I remember feeling the same way with Todd Bowles for the Jets.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

It's a tough call. Playing hockey, I got a concussion when my helmet fell off and my head smashed on the ice in the first period. I was out cold and came too in the locker room. Sat the second period, played the third. Played every game after.  Playing football in the back yard, our heads smashed through wooden fences every week. I got tagged helmet to helmet going over the middle to make a catch in college and was down a few seconds.  Missed the rest of the half, came back and played in the second half.  I'm still doing fine many years later. 

Maybe players today are bigger and stronger and faster, but you think helmet technology would help alleviate these issues. Seems a concussion in the 80's and 90's when I played was not a big deal and no one got them simply falling to the ground and banging your head off the turf. We did that 10 times a game in my day, and in the playground without wearing helmets.

Today, it seems to be so much more serious. What happened to people's heads that they can't take a good hit now a days.  Something changed and it's not for the better.

Edited October 19, 2022 by TampaBillsJunkie

[chongli]

A lot of Miami fans on their forum are convinced there's an NFL conspiracy against them that is against Miami being good by playing Tua. Their fans must be living in an alternate reality, lol.

Edited October 19, 2022 by chongli

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFLPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit for a few more weeks.

 

That would beg the question when is the right time for Tua to come back? I'm asking that as an honest question.

 

He'll have been out for 24 days by the time he plays this Sunday. That's a long time compared to players with just one concussion. But we have much less history about the timeline for players who have had multiple concussions within a week.

7 hours ago, rusty shackleford said:

 He just doesn't seem to have the awareness to see hits coming and doesn't have the body that can take them.

 

Yep. He was thrown around like a rag doll on that sack against the Bengals that knocked him out. He's too small and he also doesn't protect himself at all when going down. When Brady was sacked on the BS roughing call against the Falcons it was the same type of tackle but you'll notice Brady's head never hits the ground. Brady knows to keep his head up when being taken to the ground.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Just an observation but I don't think anyone's saying that if he's out there killing it. If you're going to kill your brain I can atleast comprehend the Brett Farves out there unable to hang it up. Doing that for a ceiling of a Trent Edward's career seems like more of a waste.

 

In Tua's case too, personally, he just came off one of his greatest games ever, and one of the greatest ever for a QB in NFL history even. And he did this playing with the new addition in Tyreek Hill. He's probably thinking he can become a legit top 5 QB now. We as observers still see that as highly unlikely still but I can't blame the player for thinking he can reach that level of play consistently. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

46 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Today, it seems to be so much more serious. What happened to people's heads that they can't take a good hit now a days.  Something changed and it's not for the better.

 

The heads and what's in them are the same. It's the moving object that carries them that has changed. Players are faster and bigger that equals more force when the head hits the ground or is hit by another player. But the brain and skulls are not any bigger or anymore protected. They are just connected to larger and faster bodies. 

 

For an extreme example you sometimes hear about the Packers offensive line on their first super bowl team, not a single lineman was over 260lbs. Now the Packers probably have 16 players on the roster over 300 lbs. 

[Dr.Sack]

I don’t think Tua will survive this season, without the help of the Mark Kelso bubble helmet.

[major]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

Miami is all-in on Tua, but they're playing a dangerous game with their future.  They already paid hard for their last risk.  My only fear is that the NFL will tell the refs to keep him safe (for public image), and he starts getting the Brady treatment.

 

This just seems way too soon.

Miami is all-in on Tua, but they’re playing a dangerous game with his future (fixed it for you). I’m concerned that one day we might see another player die on the field due to stupid decisions like this one on Miami’s part. Chuck Hughes died in 1971 on the field during a game. I’d prefer not to see that happen again

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, rusty shackleford said:

I get that feeling too. If not another concussion, he'll get injured somehow. He just doesn't seem to have the awareness to see hits coming and doesn't have the body that can take them.

 

I thought the Poyer situation was strange too. I understand the air pressure changes and how that can be a risk to his condition, but wouldn't another player slamming into his chest be a similar risk.

 

Tua is made of glass, not a quality you want in your "franchise" QB

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Big Turk

[Manther]

I am fine with Pickett playing.  IMO opinion Tua should sit out a considerable amount of time.  Another 4 weeks or more.

 

I think Tua sitting out more games provides two sides to the story which is positive optics that he is being taken care of Tua and negative optics to continue the narrative the Dolphins did nothing wrong.  Fix the wrong and sit him for many weeks is my opinion.

 

Geepers, I think Tua should sit out the season for his best life.  Seriously, his hand gestures after the last hit are scary and show his brain has sustained some damage, possibly irreversible.  I have been concussed many times before, but, nothing like that where the brain is so messed up.

14 hours ago, The Red King said:

Miami is all-in on Tua, but they're playing a dangerous game with their future.  They already paid hard for their last risk.  My only fear is that the NFL will tell the refs to keep him safe (for public image), and he starts getting the Brady treatment.

 

This just seems way too soon.

Agreed, it seems way to soon.  Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you...

[uninja]

16 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

IMO, it is irresponsible for Tua to be playing already.  He suffers another concussion so quickly after that last horrific scene it will have a damning effect on the entire sport.  If the NFLPA or Goddell  or that functional idiot McDaniel really cared about player safety they would let him sit for a few more weeks.

It doesn’t matter how long he sits. The instant he gets another concussion, could be Sunday or could be 2 years from now, that narrative is gonna resurface. 
 

He just has the concussion stink on him, probably forever at this point. My hope is he learns to protect himself better and learn when to give up on plays. He gets injured because he wants to make a play too badly every snap. Sometimes the best outcome is to throw it away or just take the sack.

[Captain Hindsight]

Maybe they could just play ping pong 

[Scott7975]

17 hours ago, The Red King said:

Tomlin said Pickett will start Sunday night if he passes concussion protocols, and it looks like Tua returns Sunday as well.  If that all works out, you will have two QB just cleared to play after being concussed meeting this weekend.  How do people feel about this?  I mean it as an honest question.  Do you think either or both are returning too soon?  I didn't see how bad Pickett's injury was, but I still worry for Tua's health.  Are we going to see him blasted out of play on prime time again?

 

I dont know about Pickett but Tua has been out for 3 weeks already and has been seen by multiple doctors.  He should be fine.  If Pitts had TJ Watt though it would not suprise me if Tua was knocked out with some kind of injury again.  He just isnt built for the NFL.

 

If he does happen to get another concussion anytime soon the dude just flat out needs to retire.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

It's a tough call. Playing hockey, I got a concussion when my helmet fell off and my head smashed on the ice in the first period. I was out cold and came too in the locker room. Sat the second period, played the third. Played every game after.  Playing football in the back yard, our heads smashed through wooden fences every week. I got tagged helmet to helmet going over the middle to make a catch in college and was down a few seconds.  Missed the rest of the half, came back and played in the second half.  I'm still doing fine many years later. 

Maybe players today are bigger and stronger and faster, but you think helmet technology would help alleviate these issues. Seems a concussion in the 80's and 90's when I played was not a big deal and no one got them simply falling to the ground and banging your head off the turf. We did that 10 times a game in my day, and in the playground without wearing helmets.

Today, it seems to be so much more serious. What happened to people's heads that they can't take a good hit now a days.  Something changed and it's not for the better.

 

A concussion is the brain slamming into your skull.  There is no technology that can stop that momentum.

10 hours ago, chongli said:

A lot of Miami fans on their forum are convinced there's an NFL conspiracy against them that is against Miami being good by playing Tua. Their fans must be living in an alternate reality, lol.

 

Yeah its pretty delusional thinking its just some big conspiracy against Tua or Miami.  Miami did get hosed when Bridgewater got pulled out that first game though.

[Fleezoid]

 

Is there a betting pool on this? Like who's the 1st to go down and when.

 

I've got Tua at the 5th minute of the 3rd qtr.