Kaiir Elam - DROY

[YattaOkasan]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we have a troll Behind enemy lines

Agree.  Was trying to figure out from where.  I think from Miami.  Gave us a lot of flack for saying the heat is advantage, but Minnesota won.  I assume hes frustrated they have lost 3 in a row and came on here to troll.

[machine gun kelly]

Elam will never be ROTY.  It doesn’t mean he won’t be a solid CB, and grow into a solid starter.  Just look at Sauce Gardner for one.

 

Reno, you’re a good dude.  A little over

youre skies on this one, but love you’re passion for the team bud.  You are a true royal blue Bills fan.  That’s for sure from reading you’re previous posts.  
 

FWIW, Cook, or the others are not in contention either.  It’s still a long season.  Benford alone makes it hard on Elam, as Benford knows how to play zone well, whereas Elam was a man CB at FL.  He has an uphill battle with that alone.

 

What Elam does have is the raw talent to be excellent at some point.  Probably next year.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, 947 said:

Seahawks 5th round rookie CB Tariq Woolen has 4 INTs aleady. Never heard of the guy before I read that & looked him up, 6'4" & ran a 4.29.

 

 

Yeah Woolen is running away with it right now.

 

He was a star of the combine.    Seattle has now twice taken advantage of teams, IMO, inexplicably passing on freaks of nature in the draft and been rewarded with the two biggest, fastest perimeter players in the NFL.    They haven't done a lot right in the draft but those are two big time players at premium positions.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

Ok....I think you mean DROY

 

DPOY......hands down after y games is Micah Parsons, and its not close right now.

It is definitely Parsons, but the gap maybe just got closer.  Micah was exposed and Eagles showed how to handle the defense of the cowboys which is run right at Micah who is god awful against the run.  He is literally ranked like a hundred and something against the run.  
 

Von Miller could creep in there.  If he keeps piling up sacks, and meaningful ones, he could be in the conversation.  Especially if he ends up between 15-20 sacks, which he is on pace for.  And with our offense, teams are gonna have to throw a lot creating plenty of snaps where he can go get the QB.  Scary thing is Von said he is still learning the system, they basically just tell him go get the QB right now.  He could be even better as the season goes on.  

 

Another name to keep an eye on who I think is dark horse is Judon in NE.  He’s playing lights out for them right now as Pats are starting to put together some wins led by the D.  

 

But like I said, it’s definitely currently Micah Parsons.  Just saying it will be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes for him and cowboys.  I have a feeling they are going to lose some more games once Dak is back.  I have seen guys look like shoe ins for MVP, DPOY, etc at this point in the season and then teams figure out how to scheme against them and slow them down.  
 

 

[nedboy7]

Hey at least it’s a positive thread. I like it. Yes he will be DROY for 3 years in a row. 
 

Edited October 18, 2022 by nedboy7

[BuffaloBill]

11 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Sauce Gardner 

 

 

This^^^

[PrimeTime101]

11 hours ago, Warcodered said:

We don't even know if he's going to be starting next game.

I think he will. Right next to Tre. You can't ignore 2 games in a row with INT. Against KC as predicted we played a lot of man with safety help on one side of the field (elams side) and Zone on the other side. I think that combo with Zone Pro White/Elam will grow into a beautiful marriage 

[Big Turk]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

I think he will. Right next to Tre. You can't ignore 2 games in a row with INT. Against KC as predicted we played a lot of man with safety help on one side of the field (elams side) and Zone on the other side. I think that combo with Zone Pro White/Elam will grow into a beautiful marriage 

 

I doubt Tre starts...I think he will be worked in slowly over the next 2-3 games.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I doubt Tre starts...I think he will be worked in slowly over the next 2-3 games.

Your right.. its possible... I just have a gut feeling he is going to have a great couple weeks and start. call it a gut feeling

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Ehhhhh I don’t think so. 
 

Opposing QBs are 71% (bad), 10.5 YPC (good), 2 TDs and 2 INTs.

 

Love his potential, and his growth is clear. These struggles will propel him into greatness. 

I agree. QBs have been looking his way and testing him a lot the past two games. He has been beat quite a bit (71%) but not terrible.

 

What I like about Elam is he can get beat a couple of times in a quarter, but come back with an INT/PB later in the game. He has a short memory for being beat, but a good memory for how he was beat and rarely gets beat the same way twice. I like that moxy in a CB.

 

In college he was a man on man guy. His athleticism let him dominate lesser competition. It seems he was handsy in college and that may be allowed a bit more in college. He is adjusting and improving each game. I am certain with his football IQ, athletic ability and McDermott and Frazier coaching him up he will be like a Tre White 2.0. That is aok with me.

 

as far as DROY/DPOY I don't see it

[BruceVilanch]

11 hours ago, NickelCity said:

I've got a soft spot for Reno Nevada

The buffet at the silver legacy has really gone downhill. 

[Allen2Moulds]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It is definitely Parsons, but the gap maybe just got closer.  Micah was exposed and Eagles showed how to handle the defense of the cowboys which is run right at Micah who is god awful against the run.  He is literally ranked like a hundred and something against the run.  
 

Von Miller could creep in there.  If he keeps piling up sacks, and meaningful ones, he could be in the conversation.  Especially if he ends up between 15-20 sacks, which he is on pace for.  And with our offense, teams are gonna have to throw a lot creating plenty of snaps where he can go get the QB.  Scary thing is Von said he is still learning the system, they basically just tell him go get the QB right now.  He could be even better as the season goes on.  

 

Another name to keep an eye on who I think is dark horse is Judon in NE.  He’s playing lights out for them right now as Pats are starting to put together some wins led by the D.  

 

But like I said, it’s definitely currently Micah Parsons.  Just saying it will be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes for him and cowboys.  I have a feeling they are going to lose some more games once Dak is back.  I have seen guys look like shoe ins for MVP, DPOY, etc at this point in the season and then teams figure out how to scheme against them and slow them down.  
 

 

I don't disagree with any of this, but I do believe he's a generational talent, who will find a way to overcome most weeks. Demarcus Lawrence on the other side help, and to think, this guys was either a MLB or ILB at Pennstate. Same thing with the Cowboys, except that all their pass rushers got hurt. Not bad...going from a fill in, to LT comparisons.

I do admit, I'm a Pennstate fan, so I can be a little bias at times.

[Roundybout]

I don't think so unless he plays out of his mind for the rest of the season. Sauce Gardener is too good right now, and don't sleep on that guy the Giants drafted now that he's healthy. 

[BigAl2526]

6 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Wanted him real bad in the draft. He just needed more time to learn how to play the position. 

Apparently not that much time.

[mrags]

14 hours ago, 947 said:

Seahawks 5th round rookie CB Tariq Woolen has 4 INTs aleady. Never heard of the guy before I read that & looked him up, 6'4" & ran a 4.29.

I wanted this kid badly coming out. Based off size and speed alone. His replays looked promising also 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't disagree with any of this, but I do believe he's a generational talent, who will find a way to overcome most weeks. Demarcus Lawrence on the other side help, and to think, this guys was either a MLB or ILB at Pennstate. Same thing with the Cowboys, except that all their pass rushers got hurt. Not bad...going from a fill in, to LT comparisons.

I do admit, I'm a Pennstate fan, so I can be a little bias at times.

 

Yeah, I think Micah is a generational talent too.  But I don't really like the LT comparisons he keeps getting, just don't think that is really who he accurately compares to.  I think Derrick Thomas is more suitable, because like Derrick was when he played, he is the best pure pass rusher in the NFL right now.  But Micah is still weak against the run, and LT was a more complete player and total game wrecker.

 

Either way, Micah is going to be one of the betting favorites for DPOY to start each season much like Darnold, Garrett, and Watt are.  Guy is a definitely a beast.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Bandito said:

Hyperbole isn't trolling. Sauce is better than Elam. Per the draft and stats so far. So Elam won't be DPOY. Take off your biased glasses and seek truth.

The truth is

 

College means about as much as the worth of your posts when they get to the NFL

Elam has more interceptions

The season is not even half way over

 

So "1000 times better" just makes you look ignorant

[L Ron Burgundy]

I love that he seems to seek perfection.   If he keeps improving he has a chance for dpoy.  Not great but he's got the drive.

[Allen2Moulds]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, I think Micah is a generational talent too.  But I don't really like the LT comparisons he keeps getting, just don't think that is really who he accurately compares to.  I think Derrick Thomas is more suitable, because like Derrick was when he played, he is the best pure pass rusher in the NFL right now.  But Micah is still weak against the run, and LT was a more complete player and total game wrecker.

 

Either way, Micah is going to be one of the betting favorites for DPOY to start each season much like Darnold, Garrett, and Watt are.  Guy is a definitely a beast.  

Good point.

[Eastport bills]

Sauce Gardner is the leader for DROY and he is the next Revis, in most respected media opinions.

[RichRiderBills]

8 hours ago, Bandito said:

Hyperbole isn't trolling. Sauce is better than Elam. Per the draft and stats so far. So Elam won't be DPOY. Take off your biased glasses and seek truth.

 

Except the stats don't say that...sauce has a few more PD , but Elam has him in nearly all the typical measurable stats w less snaps.

 

Did you even look this up?

[Allen2Moulds]

15 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Sauce Gardner is the leader for DROY and he is the next Revis, in most respected media opinions.

I would've given 2 1s for that guy.

[Eastport bills]

1 minute ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I would've given 2 1s for that guy.

You should watch the way this guy covers. He’s like Surtan of the Broncos. They put him on the opposition’s best and he shuts the guy down flat.

[JerseyBills]

20 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Sauce Gardner 

That's the "sexy" pick but if you look qt the numbers, Elam has similar numbers and 1 more int.. 

[DCofNC]

20 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Let's see what he does against Diggs.

Diggs will get his, that said Sauce is legit.  The Jets are building a good team, if Wilson can come around, they will be a team nobody wants to deal with.

23 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

That's the "sexy" pick but if you look qt the numbers, Elam has similar numbers and 1 more int.. 

Sauce is playing mostly man, Elam is in zone, not even close to the same level of impressive.  Elam has been good, Sauce is the leader by a mile in 99% of people’s eyes.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The guy has been playing well. We have a lot of talent at CB. That’s a good problem to have but it’s also a logistical issue of playing time.

[RyanC883]

21 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Sauce Gardner 

 

have they played anyone?  

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Sauce Gardner is the leader for DROY and he is the next Revis, in most respected media opinions.

 

has he covered anyone good?   I think the “he is Revis” opinion happened even before the draft. 

[Mark92]

Sauce Gardner is hands down the DROY and looks to be playing at All Pro levels.  He was the best player in last year's draft hands down 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Bandito said:

You thinking Elam is better than Sauce and should be DPOY makes you look really unintelligent and ignorant. Sauce is one of the better CBs in the league right now as a Rookie

@John from Riverside

 

Here you go.

First of all I didn’t say that Elam was better than sauce right now you should pay attention instead of looking to pick fights with people with your ignorance

 

I that there’s still season left to be played

 

You’re the one that made the dumb ass comment that sauce is 1000 times better than Elam he isn’t

[TFBillsfan]

Elam continues to get more comfortable and confident which is great. At this point winning a couple or even one AFCDPOTW would be great. Looking forward to seeing his growth and development!

[Ralonzo]

23 hours ago, 947 said:

Seahawks 5th round rookie CB Tariq Woolen has 4 INTs aleady. Never heard of the guy before I read that & looked him up, 6'4" & ran a 4.29.

he really popped at the combine. Thought the Bills might go WR 1st and grab him in the 2nd.

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

he really popped at the combine. Thought the Bills might go WR 1st and grab him in the 2nd.

I thought it was possible that the bills might go on offense of line and then woolen in the second but I didn’t expect elam to be available

 

It worked out

[Scott7975]

 

[Billy Claude]

Very short memories on the board.  Elam himself said he had an F- game against the Steelers which was only a week and a half ago. 

 

Right now Gardner is the DROY favorite at +300 with Devin Lloyd (JAC) and Kayvon Thibodeaux (NYG) at +600 and Tariq Woolen at +800. 

 

Elam is tied for 11th best odds at +2500.  There are 3 CBs (Gardner, Woolen and Jack Jones (NE)) and one safety with better (Jalen Pitre (TEX)) better odds than Elam.

 

 

 

[Eastport bills]

10 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

have they played anyone?  

 

has he covered anyone good?   I think the “he is Revis” opinion happened even before the draft. 

Hopefully the one dimensional fans can grasp the idea of there being other talented players that don’t play for our team. Gardener shut down Lazard, Waddle and kept Claypool and Dionte in reasonable fashion.Watch  him against Sutton and Jeudy this Sunday and get back to me.

[Rigotz]

Dude… I literally made a 3 page long Kaiir Elam thread two days ago on the main page. Did this have to be a separate thread?

[Eastport bills]

56 minutes ago, Bandito said:

That is so true. It is normal for fans to be biased towards their own team/ players, but so many on here are completely irrational thinking every Bills player is the best. There are other guys out there! Sauce is better than Elam at this point and it isn't close.

Great take, no disrespect towards Elam, who looks like a solid db, but Sauce is scary good.

[Ralonzo]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

Holy cherry-picked stat.

12 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Great take, no disrespect towards Elam, who looks like a solid db, but Sauce is scary good.

 

From watching the DB portion of the combine I wasn't really all that impressed by sauce, not nearly as much as Woolen. Plus he has a lower lip like Bubba from Forrest Gump. I'm surprised all his chains weren't getting caught up in it more often. It's like why I don't wear bell-bottoms and ride a bike.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Ralonzo

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Hopefully the one dimensional fans can grasp the idea of there being other talented players that don’t play for our team. Gardener shut down Lazard, Waddle and kept Claypool and Dionte in reasonable fashion.Watch  him against Sutton and Jeudy this Sunday and get back to me.

 

wow, nice name calling.  I'm hardly a one-dimensional fan.  In fact, I often get critiqued for being too hard on our guys.  

 

Now, as to the substance of your argument re: Sauce: Lazard has been awful this year, ditto with Claypool, and Johnson due to the Steelers QB debacle.  Waddle is great, but not a great QB tossing him the ball (same issue as Johnson).  

 

Yeah, I'll be more impressed when he faces a QB like Mahomes with the surrounding talent.  When we toast him, he won't be DROY for long.  

 

Wollen in Seattle is a beast and could make a case at this point for DROY and get votes for DPOY.  

 

 

[MJS]

On 10/17/2022 at 10:43 PM, Malazan said:

You might want to watch some other games. Garnder on the Jets has outplayed him to a great degree. Elam has been good, but it's not close. 

I'd even say that Elam has struggled at times. He is a young player and has tons of potential, so I'm not worried even slightly.