Patriots may have a QB

[FilthyBeast]

23 hours ago, Einstein said:

I’ve been watching Zappe the last couple of weeks and have been very impressed.

 

(Try not to laugh) but I see a bit of very early Brady in him. Not the goat Brady - the Brady that was more of a game manager in 2001.  Patient, calm in the pocket, smart decisions. 

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mac doesn’t hit the starting rotation again. He is 19/27 for 256 yards and 2 TD’s today. 

 

 

Same here and after yesterday this is beginning to look a lot like Brady again and as impressive as Mac Jones was last year this kid looks even more magical in some ways so far.

 

Belichik is going to have a very tough decision to make whenever Jones is healthy but bigger picture is just like last year after a 1-3 start,  the Pats are rolling right now with a lot of winnable games left on the rest of their schedule.  Very good chance they will be 8-3 heading into the TNF game against Buffalo in early Dec. An overall outside of the 2 games against the Bills they could run the table.

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

Yes but Allen is still the patriots Pappe. 

[Roundybout]

3 hours ago, extrahammer said:

Browns also have a top 10 defense right now btw... 

 

Not really, unfortunately. My dad's a big Browns fan and he goes on forever about how the Browns defensive scheme this year is atrocious and it's not using any of the talent they've got. 

[Bubba Gump]

9 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

A coffee lover?? 😎

 

Or an alcoholic?

[extrahammer]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Not really, unfortunately. My dad's a big Browns fan and he goes on forever about how the Browns defensive scheme this year is atrocious and it's not using any of the talent they've got. 

 

Actually really, it is kind of surprising. But see for yourself. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2022/reg/all

 

 

[Malazan]

20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Not really, unfortunately. My dad's a big Browns fan and he goes on forever about how the Browns defensive scheme this year is atrocious and it's not using any of the talent they've got. 

 

Your dad is right. 

 

15 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

Actually really, it is kind of surprising. But see for yourself. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2022/reg/all

 

LOL, Browns are 31st in DVOA. 26th in yards allowed and 30th in points allowed. They are 29th in pts/gm.

 

Your link and what your looking at is solely passing stats AND it is not SORTED. The browns are top 10 at the number of passes attempted against them while being among the very worst at the yards they allow per pass attempt (7.2 / 26th). Math might be hard, but if you allow more yards per pass and more points than other teams then you will allow fewer passes against you as teams are getting to the end zone in fewer plays. 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Malazan

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Your dad is right. 

 

 

LOL, Browns are 31st in DVOA. 31st in yards allowed and 30th in points allowed. 

 

Your link and what your looking at is solely passing stats AND it is not SORTED. The browns are top 10 at the number of passes attempted against them while being among the very worst at the yards they allow per pass attempt (7.2 / 26th). Math might be hard, but if you allow more yards per pass and more points than other teams then you will allow fewer passes against you as teams are getting to the end zone in few plays. 

 

 

 

Exactly. They've got insane talent (Greedy Williams, Denzel Ward, etc.) but they're forcing them into a zone scheme when they're excellent man corners. Did you guys see how the Pats receivers wandered wide open? The Browns DBs didn't know where to go. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Same here and after yesterday this is beginning to look a lot like Brady again and as impressive as Mac Jones was last year this kid looks even more magical in some ways so far.

 

Belichik is going to have a very tough decision to make whenever Jones is healthy but bigger picture is just like last year after a 1-3 start,  the Pats are rolling right now with a lot of winnable games left on the rest of their schedule.  Very good chance they will be 8-3 heading into the TNF game against Buffalo in early Dec. An overall outside of the 2 games against the Bills they could run the table.

 

 

You have made such valid points about how great our divisional opponents have become.  They are so good that they may all run the table as you suggest.  Even when they play each other maybe both teams will come away with wins.  
 

Even more magical than Mac Jones?  Wow.  It reminds me of Job Bluth vs. Tony Wonder.

[Meatloaf63]

9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You have made such valid points about how great our divisional opponents have become.  They are so good that they may all run the table as you suggest.  Even when they play each other maybe both teams will come away with wins.  
 

Even more magical than Mac Jones?  Wow.  It reminds me of Job Bluth vs. Tony Wonder.

Beginning to look a lot like Brady🤦‍♂️ after two games against weak defenses. Soon the film on him will bring his demise. The best thing is how crushed the Pats fans will be LOL, it will be glorious 🤪

[unbillievable]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Beginning to look a lot like Brady🤦‍♂️ after two games against weak defenses. Soon the film on him will bring his demise. The best thing is how crushed the Pats fans will be LOL, it will be glorious 🤪

Bellicheat is a genius!

 

He should sign and start a different QB every 3 games to prevent teams from getting film on them.

[BananaB]

35 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

Actually really, it is kind of surprising. But see for yourself. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2022/reg/all

 

 

That looks like alphabetical order to me

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Same here and after yesterday this is beginning to look a lot like Brady again and as impressive as Mac Jones was last year this kid looks even more magical in some ways so far.

 

Belichik is going to have a very tough decision to make whenever Jones is healthy but bigger picture is just like last year after a 1-3 start,  the Pats are rolling right now with a lot of winnable games left on the rest of their schedule.  Very good chance they will be 8-3 heading into the TNF game against Buffalo in early Dec. An overall outside of the 2 games against the Bills they could run the table.

 

 

 

Oh jesus they are never going to luck into Brady again.  You are either the biggest troll on these forums or dumb as a box of rocks.

[Success]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Same here and after yesterday this is beginning to look a lot like Brady again and as impressive as Mac Jones was last year this kid looks even more magical in some ways so far.

 

Belichik is going to have a very tough decision to make whenever Jones is healthy but bigger picture is just like last year after a 1-3 start,  the Pats are rolling right now with a lot of winnable games left on the rest of their schedule.  Very good chance they will be 8-3 heading into the TNF game against Buffalo in early Dec. An overall outside of the 2 games against the Bills they could run the table.

 

 

 

It's Edwards/Losman.  Nothing magical about either QB.

 

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Oh jesus they are never going to luck into Brady again.  You are either the biggest troll on these forums or dumb as a box of rocks.

The first does not rule out the second. He already pronounced Tua elite on the basis of one quarter against the Ravens. In conclusion, he's very sorry to inform everyone that all the Bills' opponents are filled with future HOF players and he greatly fears the next Bills' game is likely to result in bad things for the team from Western NY.

[Steptide]

This always happens. A new qb comes in and plays well, and people start paying attention. Then after 4 or 5 weeks, teams start to figure that qb out and the 15 minutes of fame dies and that qb comes back down to earth and starts sucking. There's always that chance that zappe could be good, but let's give it some time. Let's see what happens when they play some good teams. They played gb, the Browns and have the bears next Monday night. Let's see what happens when they play the bills or kc etc. 

[Einstein]

 

 

[without a drought]

F the patriots and all of their QBs.

[Scott7975]

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

It's Edwards/Losman.  Nothing magical about either QB.

 

 

It could very well be in the long run but given Belichik's track record with QB's and how good Mac Jones was as a rookie it's a bit early to make any final determinations.

 

Back to Zappe though, this kid is very gritty and showed well in that offense. Was hoping the Pats would finally be dead and buried this year but they are determined to be a factor yet again in the AFC East and conference race.

[Beast]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Same here and after yesterday this is beginning to look a lot like Brady again and as impressive as Mac Jones was last year this kid looks even more magical in some ways so far.

 

Belichik is going to have a very tough decision to make whenever Jones is healthy but bigger picture is just like last year after a 1-3 start,  the Pats are rolling right now with a lot of winnable games left on the rest of their schedule.  Very good chance they will be 8-3 heading into the TNF game against Buffalo in early Dec. An overall outside of the 2 games against the Bills they could run the table.

 

 

He looks a lot more like Peter Brady than Tom Brady.

[strive_for_five_guy]

I would be shocked if Belichick does not go back to Mac when he is deemed healthy.  If he doesn’t, he’s effectively turning the page on Mac already and taking a chance that Zappe is their long-term solution.  And could then very quickly end up with zero long-term solutions, if/when things turn south on Zappe.  The smart move is to go back to Mac, and if he underperforms, then he can turn back to Zappe once again.

[Low Positive]

I love the smell of a NE QB controversy in the morning.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

I know people would love to see the Patriots go 0-17 one of these years but that is not happening with Belichick...........the best possible scenario is that they remain a fringe playoff level team with an undersized and/or unathletic soft-tossing QB..........like Zappe or Mac.   QB purgatory keeps them out of the running for an elite QB.

[Awwufelloff]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I know people would love to see the Patriots go 0-17 one of these years but that is not happening with Belichick...........the best possible scenario is that they remain a fringe playoff level team with an undersized and/or unathletic soft-tossing QB..........like Zappe or Mac.   QB purgatory keeps them out of the running for an elite QB.

Us for 2 decades before Allen 

[Bob in STL]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I know people would love to see the Patriots go 0-17 one of these years but that is not happening with Belichick...........the best possible scenario is that they remain a fringe playoff level team with an undersized and/or unathletic soft-tossing QB..........like Zappe or Mac.   QB purgatory keeps them out of the running for an elite QB.

Agree.  I want to see them go 20 years of 6-11 thru 9-8 and not get a quality QB. 

 

Thinking back to the Bills QB drought, so much of it was bad the Front Office(s) making bad QB selections and also not making enough QB picks either.  It seems like we didn't draft enough QBs.  If you don't have one, then you need to focus on getting one instead of picking up journeymen QBs and hoping for a miracle just to make the playoffs.  

 

The GM turnover of Donahoe, Levy, Brandon, Nix, Whaley was part of the problem too.  You cannot build a solid foundation when you replace the FO and coaching staff every 3-4 years - all you do is get into a restart loop.   I think Kraft knows better.  It will be interesting to see who he hires when Billy B finally steps down.  

 

[Beck Water]

On 10/17/2022 at 3:09 PM, extrahammer said:

 

Actually really, it is kind of surprising. But see for yourself. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2022/reg/all

 

So Browns on that list are 24th for Y/A given up, 7th for completion % against, 13th for passing TD given up.

What are you wanting us to see?

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Agree.  I want to see them go 20 years of 6-11 thru 9-8 and not get a quality QB. 

 

Thinking back to the Bills QB drought, so much of it was bad the Front Office(s) making bad QB selections and also not making enough QB picks either.  It seems like we didn't draft enough QBs.  If you don't have one, then you need to focus on getting one instead of picking up journeymen QBs and hoping for a miracle just to make the playoffs.  

 

The GM turnover of Donahoe, Levy, Brandon, Nix, Whaley was part of the problem too.  You cannot build a solid foundation when you replace the FO and coaching staff every 3-4 years - all you do is get into a restart loop.   I think Kraft knows better.  It will be interesting to see who he hires when Billy B finally steps down. 

 

2010 was a turning point.  That's the year Sam Bradford was drafted, the last year before rookie contracts scaled by draft slot were instituted.

 

The Rams signed Sam Bradford to a 6 year, $78M contract with $50M guaranteed - before he'd ever played a snap in the NFL.

 

So 2010 and prior, if a team pulled the draft trigger and got it wrong, they could be "on the hook" for big bucks, for a long time.

 

Of course that was true to a lesser extent of other high draft picks.  But I think it played into Ralph Wilson's risk aversion - why he preferred to trade a 1st round pick for Rob Johnson, who he thought was proven to play in the NFL, vs. drafting a QB

 

Just my thoughts.

[corta765]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

2010 was a turning point.  That's the year Sam Bradford was drafted, the last year before rookie contracts scaled by draft slot were instituted.

 

The Rams signed Sam Bradford to a 6 year, $78M contract with $50M guaranteed - before he'd ever played a snap in the NFL.

 

So 2010 and prior, if a team pulled the draft trigger and got it wrong, they could be "on the hook" for big bucks, for a long time.

 

Of course that was true to a lesser extent of other high draft picks.  But I think it played into Ralph Wilson's risk aversion - why he preferred to trade a 1st round pick for Rob Johnson, who he thought was proven to play in the NFL, vs. drafting a QB

 

Just my thoughts.

 

I would tend to agree. QBs get the most attention and the $ always goes with it. The Jim Kelly experience I am sure soured him between the money, contract, and ability for a player to not play. Obviously this is not full proof as they did draft Losman, but the Bills QB draft history was pretty sour forever on going big for a guy up high in the draft until Allen. And 100% agree the rookie contract cap really changed things and for small market franchises allowed them to be far more competitive out of the gate with much less risk.

[Goin Breakdown]

5 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

I love the smell of a NE QB controversy in the morning.

Better than a TE...wait, what?

[PrimeTime101]

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[faderphreak]

On 10/17/2022 at 7:00 AM, Whites Bay said:

Good point.  I remember having all the hope in the world for Todd Collins a long, long time ago.  It was an impossible task.

I had hopes for Todd Collins for the Bills from the time he was drafted until Jim Kelly’s charity softball game the summer of that same year.  While everyone else was either engaging with fans or other NFL or NHL players, Collins was hanging out at the keg with the backwards baseball cap in full frat boy mode.  
 

I remember thinking “Damn, this kid could be picking Kelly or Marino’s brain, or at least hanging with his future o-line. He’s too immature to be the future”

 

It was fun watching Corey Louchey and Rob Ray get into it though.  It started off as horsing around then appeared to look more serious at which point Louchey picked up Ray and started throwing him around like a sack of flour.  At least I think it was Louchey.  Been a long time!
 

 

[Einstein]

Zappe looks great again.

 

 

[Motorin']

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Zappe looks great again.

 

 

 

That TD pass was way under thrown. But he was so wide open he had enough time to fall down, get up and score.

 

Mac Jones however is throwing the lamest ducks I've ever seen on an NFL field. Making Duck Hodges look like Farve. 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Motorin'

[buffblue]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Zappe looks great again.

 

 

Are you goddamn kidding me? He threw a screen pass and the worst touchdown to a wide open receiver I've ever seen

[Devilmann]

That throw was terrible. The receiver saved him on that one. 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Zappe looks great again.

 

 

He had two check downs and needed a miracle catch on a blown coverage with nobody within 10 yards of his WR. He might be better than Jones, but like Jones, the zip on the ball is average, he accuracy is meh. He seems smart. He could grow, but to me he is a Jones 2.0 which means a very tight ceiling, if you really like him, maybe a Jones 2.1.

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Zappe looks great again.

 

 

 

He threw that 80 yards behind Myers. 

[Success]

They definitely have a couple on the roster. And may have yet another come April.

 

[Mikie2times]

Lets be careful. If nothing else, Karma police are gonna defend Einsteins post. Zappe is about to go off like Rob Johnson in week 17. 

[John from Riverside]

Lol Einstein Wants to be so right about Zappy