BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: QB development is such a fine art. Who knows if Edwards would have developed into something if given the same kind of support / coaching / roster development that Josh received? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/81573-from-mvp-to-bum-all-in-10-weeks-the-trent-edwards-story We should all be thankful that the Bills provided a masterclass in how to mold a raw guy like Josh into a franchise QB, given all the screw ups other teams (and the Bills) have had over the years. . Well, I do agree that the Bills gave the best possible support they could and all the stability in the world to Allen's development. However it takes someone with the mindset that Allen has within himself to be great to turn out the way he has. All the great coaching in the world would be useless without the players inner drive to succeed. Not every player has that mentality. What is it the young people call it these days? "Mamba Mentality?" I did like me some Edwards. Looking back on it today, I believe his physical ceiling would have been an Alex Smith type. 8 or 9 win seasons and maybe sneak into the playoffs here and there. We were just so starved for even a mediocre QB at the time that he looked amazing for what we were used to. Josh Allen has us spoiled. Had we not gotten him we would still be looking at QBs like Mac Jones and Tua and wishing we had someone as "promising" as them 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Drafting the GOAT in the sixth round is like dating the hottest girl in high school - it’s gonna mind-frick the Patriots’ fanbase for decades to come. They think it should come easy and have zero patience for anything other than an “instant fairy tale” situation. Not that they don’t deserve it… Up next they have the Jets so it's too bad they just lost their best player because I was excited to see NE cement themselves as the worst team in the AFC East. I still think Jets have a good chance but probably a low scoring, close game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: This is a hell of a comparison and suddenly I'm glad I never saw a boob in real life until college Not even on HBO? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: Not even on HBO? Tales from the Crypt and Dream On - never forget your first! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Einstein said: Zappe has a 137 QB rating with 8 minutes left in the game. And the Hindenburg crossed the Atlantic in record time … 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Tales from the Crypt and Dream On - never forget your first! I think my 1st boob was in the movie Pirahana at a friends house. I think I was maybe 8 or 9. Never been the same since Edited October 25, 2022 by ddaryl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopelessNJBuffaloFan Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Actually they have two QB's and they both suck. Nothing to see here, please move on. 😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, Big Turk said: IMHO Mad Mac is Alex Smith/Chad Pennington(before the shoulder injury). Game manager who is limited with what they can do and the throws they can make but a player you can win regular season games with and make the playoffs only to get booted in the first round once the competition becomes tougher. Maybe Alex Smith during his first years in the league I guess Alex Smith in the later years of his career, Mac Jones isn't fit to carry his jockstrap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: We should all be thankful that the Bills provided a masterclass in how to mold a raw guy like Josh into a franchise QB, given all the screw ups other teams (and the Bills) have had over the years. . His rookie year was far from a masterclass. AJ McCarron and Peterman for him to sit behind and learn from with a cast of scrubs on offense blew up in their face in the season opener. They’re lucky his mental toughness allowed the player and staff to grow together. You could just as easily argue his rookie year is what dooms the career of a lesser player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Not even on HBO? I had to turn the dial of the tv just right to see said boob through the static. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ExiledInIllinois Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: There's a ton of speculation here. However, word is that Mac is actually a very hard worker. It's his physical limitations that hold him back more than anything. Mac coming from Bama actually tells me that Belichick knew way more about Mac than most would as it's very well documented how close Saban and Belichick are. I think the issue is more that Belichick knows his time on the sidelines is winding down. There is zero chance that he approached this season as a "tank" year. Like him or hate him I will say that losing is not something he would embrace at any level or any reason. He no longer has Brady (and the benefit of phantom calls that come with Brady) to mask the fact that he has always made questionable calls on gameday. After 20 years of Brady, Belichick now has to relate to a guy in his early 20s (not an easy generation for a 70 year old man to relate to). One constant in his tenure as the HC is his reluctance to bring in new voices from the outside. He's always just brought back coaches with NE ties that failed elsewhere or promoted his son. I believe he truly thought that Patricia and Judge would do a great job and rather than bring in someone with new concepts and vision for the future he still is clinging to the "Patriot Way". Trouble is he doesn't have anyone like Brady with the aura of success carrying out those marching orders and being the golden example anymore. Yeah... Big difference between Brady born in 1977 vs. Mac born in 1998. Skipping two generations... These kids are beyond the Millennial conundrum that Boomers/Xers can't figure out. The NFL is now tapping into Gen Z. Good luck fellas! 😆 Maybe they relate better to the hipster type coaches, McVay and McDaniel only 10 or so years younger than these kids... 😏 Even better, just get a Bot to coach them. A hologram. Trust the process? How about, "trust the machine." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I know the Patriots aren't really all that relevant any more and our FO is rightly more concerned about the Chiefs than any of the scrubs in our own division, but it will never not be fun to watch New England face plant. The fact that they're just barely good enough to play their way out of a top 10 pick just makes it that much sweeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Saying "the last place Patriots" is VERY satisfying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: I was excited to wake up today to doom and gloom but all of my Pats fan friends are saying this was just 1 bad game, Pats still have the best coach in football (lol), and are a 10 win/playoff team (lolol). They said they will have a great game plan for the Bills cooked up and are expecting to split with us and if so the division is still in play 😅 As I posted last night, I think NE just made a great case to being the worst team in football. I had the Bears up there and they just blew the doors off them soooo.... I assume this game plan is "pray for a hurricane on game day" because otherwise they won't see our punter for the third game in a row. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I assume this game plan is "pray for a hurricane on game day" because otherwise they won't see our punter for the third game in a row. I don’t think the Pats*** would fare well in a hurricane this year with our defense shutting down the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: There's a ton of speculation here. However, word is that Mac is actually a very hard worker. It's his physical limitations that hold him back more than anything. Mac coming from Bama actually tells me that Belichick knew way more about Mac than most would as it's very well documented how close Saban and Belichick are. Volin had tweeted about Jones' attitude and got called to the Principal's office. I'm sure they wanted that out, and I'm sure they then wanted to wallpaper it because they want to save the 1st round pick. As far as future, I won't be surprised if he tries to get the job handed off to his kid. That would be an even more absurd trainwreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I know the Patriots aren't really all that relevant any more and our FO is rightly more concerned about the Chiefs than any of the scrubs in our own division, but it will never not be fun to watch New England face plant. The fact that they're just barely good enough to play their way out of a top 10 pick just makes it that much sweeter. They are really no longer relevant and I love it. I told my co-worker, I hope they enjoy 20 + years of purgatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TableDestoyer69 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Well, I do agree that the Bills gave the best possible support they could and all the stability in the world to Allen's development. However it takes someone with the mindset that Allen has within himself to be great to turn out the way he has. All the great coaching in the world would be useless without the players inner drive to succeed. Not every player has that mentality. What is it the young people call it these days? "Mamba Mentality?" I did like me some Edwards. Looking back on it today, I believe his physical ceiling would have been an Alex Smith type. 8 or 9 win seasons and maybe sneak into the playoffs here and there. We were just so starved for even a mediocre QB at the time that he looked amazing for what we were used to. Josh Allen has us spoiled. Had we not gotten him we would still be looking at QBs like Mac Jones and Tua and wishing we had someone as "promising" as them Josh Allen had horrible support his first year. The Bills had the 32nd highest paid Oline in the league, and most of the starters are now out of the league. They had the 30th highest paid WR corps (not last because of Kelvin Benjamin). They had an average paid TE corps, but only because of the ghost of Charles Clay. He had Nathan Peterman and AJ McCarron to learn the position from. Despite that he still had some electric moments every game and got visibly better over the course of the season. If anything, JA's first year is a signal that you can take a top-level talent, and even if they're raw and in a horrible situation they will show flashes of greatness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, pocoboy said: Volin had tweeted about Jones' attitude and got called to the Principal's office. I'm sure they wanted that out, and I'm sure they then wanted to wallpaper it because they want to save the 1st round pick Could you help a guy out and translate this? Who is Volin? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Bill Belichick on decision to play both Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe in Patriots' loss to Bears 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Did anyone have the, er, balls, to ask Mac Jones about his kick in the nuts of the DB who turned around and intercepted him? I got 3 minutes in but Mac is so "Stepford Patriot" that I can't make it further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 As we knew quite well during the drought, when you have two quarterbacks you don't have any quarterbacks. Unless they are Joe Montana and Steve Young, or Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe are none of those. You hate to see it. But also, you love to see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, TableDestoyer69 said: If anything, JA's first year is a signal that you can take a top-level talent, and even if they're raw and in a horrible situation they will show flashes of greatness. Justin Fields (I know it's not his first year) showed me some of that last night. He has the physical goods to be an elite quarterback if the Bears can finally get out of their own way (which isn't guaranteed). Mac'n'Zap have none of that. Neither does Tua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 For a coach that’s supposedly a coaching Sage/savant the handling of the QB situation was a complete and utter fail. He’s created a giant mess moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: For a coach that’s supposedly a coaching Sage/savant the handling of the QB situation was a complete and utter fail. He’s created a giant mess moving forward. In his defense he is being forced to play with the QBs his General Manager drafted.... 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, PayDaBill$ said: For a coach that’s supposedly a coaching Sage/savant the handling of the QB situation was a complete and utter fail. He’s created a giant mess moving forward. I think we’re seeing the at if you take away Dante Scarnecchia coaching the OL, Tom Brady under center and don’t have Josh McDaniels running the offense the Pats are shockingly average. It really is a team game and while BB might be able to maximize what he has on the roster it doesn’t help that he’s a ***** GM and can’t draft to save his life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Could you help a guy out and translate this? Who is Volin? I'll need a credit card number to do Google searches for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: You guys did this with Jones too. I never thought Jones was impressive. Ever. 4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Belichick is also 20+ years older and doesn’t have the same skills/abilities he had then. How does a coach lose his skills? Dementia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I never thought Jones was impressive. Ever. How does a coach lose his skills? Dementia? Einstein you gotta love the fact that a thread you started 9 or so days ago has more than doubled itself just in less than a day. Lively and current topic. Some posters have their threads sink and die quickly never to be seen again. I believe I have one about why our gumbo is better than New England's gumbo that just never really found its place. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalointheUK Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: I never thought Jones was impressive. Ever. How does a coach lose his skills? Dementia? His skills leave the team and go to Tampa..... 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: How does a coach lose his skills? Dementia? The game changes and passes them by. This has happened to a lot of long time HCs in the history of the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, pocoboy said: I'll need a credit card number to do Google searches for you. Helpful! https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=volin&hl=en&fir=XLMS5dZLTb_UoM%2CiZ2uQ9jzpzFZHM%2C_%3BCiga3QaMnr6JxM%2ClTlYKfvjwfD2AM%2C_%3BR8LbGICZ9vLrsM%2CwPJsKNnocMsE-M%2C_%3BTDZiNDsEzZ7ZmM%2Cn2uiTHwhWP0Y-M%2C_%3B4WJRDCWb8GtknM%2CckBv_VTylDXceM%2C_%3BcSq4DanPQKUhTM%2CYvgJ0wnjWzY4_M%2C_%3Bnmc-6v0fmqTGNM%2CC43pRdvV8CbIOM%2C_%3Biz15SX8VVq3azM%2C496yGlg8TxJH6M%2C_%3ByuwAAKzcHM57_M%2CiZ2uQ9jzpzFZHM%2C_%3Bg71C_nbbyQ9_lM%2CfsrcT71PJi045M%2C_&usg=AI4_-kR6MgiC2E4badVtgSu-pumArON-sA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4r-nJ1_v6AhW9l2oFHfVpAlsQjJkEegQIFRAC&biw=2560&bih=1287&dpr=1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The game changes and passes them by. This has happened to a lot of long time HCs in the history of the NFL. His franchise QB is no longer on the team. Fastest way for a coach to go from genius to dummy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Normally Belichik gets a pass as the GOAT, but I really don't understand his thought process with the QB situation right now. If Jones is not healthy there was no need to rush him back and Zappe should have been the starter and played the whole game last night which may have yielded a different result even though the Bears horrendous offense magically transformed into the Bills last night. Seems like he's truly determined to go out on a low note like Brady... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: For a coach that’s supposedly a coaching Sage/savant the handling of the QB situation was a complete and utter fail. He’s created a giant mess moving forward. When they were winning with Brady he could hide behind the whole Patriot Way BS and new players and FA's would jump on board and follow it all to the letter. Now they're a losing team he can't get away with that stuff anymore because the results aren't there to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: I was excited to wake up today to doom and gloom but all of my Pats fan friends are saying this was just 1 bad game, Pats still have the best coach in football (lol), and are a 10 win/playoff team (lolol). They said they will have a great game plan for the Bills cooked up and are expecting to split with us and if so the division is still in play 😅 As I posted last night, I think NE just made a great case to being the worst team in football. I had the Bears up there and they just blew the doors off them soooo.... I tried to tell people in the offseason lol The pats were an 8 win team last year against an easy schedule that got obscenely lucky with when they ran into certain teams on top of that. Bills in the wind storm, browns and titans when their entire teams were injured. I don’t think they were winning 10 this year even with a qb playing well. That defense seems to really struggle against dual threat qbs…they’ve had no answer for josh Allen, Lamar, or fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Bill Belichick* needs another 24 wins to beat Don Shula's record, and is likely refusing to retire until he gets there. It kinda seemed like a forgone conclusion when he managed to limp that dog crap team into the playoffs last season. But now with the mess that he's created in NE, one has to wonder. What happens when 81-year-old Handy-man Kraft loses control of the Patriots*, either by death or dementia? What happens if he starts stringing together four to six win seasons? Is Belichick* going to be the Patriots* HC for another five+ years??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I hope he’s the coach (and GM) for at least five more years as long as he keeps his QB tandem 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Bill Belichick* needs another 24 wins to beat Don Shula's record, and is likely refusing to retire until he gets there. It kinda seemed like a forgone conclusion when he managed to limp that dog crap team into the playoffs last season. But now with the mess that he's created in NE, one has to wonder. What happens when 81-year-old Handy-man Kraft loses control of the Patriots*, either by death or dementia? What happens if he starts stringing together four to six win seasons? Is Belichick* going to be the Patriots* HC for another five+ years??? I hope he breaks Shula's record ... five years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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