Move White to safety

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

[Bangarang]

Great idea. Move Josh to OG while we’re at it.

[MiltonWaddams]

Hamlin played well last week and Tre is a top 5 corner. Nuff said.

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

I hope this comment lowered your credit score.

[Rc2catch]

Elite corner or 

Average to maybe above average safety. 
 

I think everyone is picking the elite corner. 

[Just Joshin']

Benford maybe, White no.  

[JGMcD2]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

Why Tre? Why not one of Jackson, Benford or Elam?

 

Tre is an All-Pro CB...

[scuba guy]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Great idea. Move Josh to OG while we’re at it.

No te he can catch and truck lbs

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

 

Others think DC Tom had the right word for the wit and wisdom you display here.

 

What is your evidence that Hamlin is a weak link opposite Poyer?  (Or Johnson for that matter)?

[Teddy KGB]

I award you no points may god have mercy on your soul.   

[HoofHearted]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

Totally different techniques plus there's no chance Tre holds up in the box. You'd just be setting him up for failure.

[scuba guy]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Others think DC Tom had the right word for the wit and wisdom you display here.

 

What is your evidence that Hamlin is a weak link opposite Poyer?  (Or Johnson for that matter)?

Agreed let then play in the system like power and hype did they will get better

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Damar Hamlin has played really well, IMO.

[DasNootz]

White would be about 25 lbs undersized for a safety.  Benford would be the better option, and his hand injury would be less of a liability.

Edited October 5, 2022 by DasNootz

[Buffalosouth]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Great idea. Move Josh to OG while we’re at it.

I was thinking TE or maybe just make him the new o line coach

[clayboy54]

I see your move to Cleveland didn't fix anything.

[Freddie's Dead]

Sometimes, only Tracy Morgan will do.

 

[Buffalo716]

Day drinking is fun 

[Freddie's Dead]

or Danny Devito:

 

[freddyjj]

I disagree,  Reasons why:

1. Tre is a top 10 CB in the league in the prime of his career and is only 27.  Woodson moved to S only when he went to Ravens at age 34.
2. Tre only weighs 180 lbs.  And as you noted, is not a sure tackler.  Not ideal traits for a S in Bills D.
3. Tre has never played S in our system.  Several of the young guys, Lewis, Neal, Benford have seen reps there. 
4. Hamlin has looked good to date and possesses ideal size, tackling and coverage ability.

Benford may be the guy to move given size (6', 205 lbs), tackling ability and demonstrated ability to learn the system.  Personally I am good with Poyer and Hamlin at S and and encouraged by the surplus at CB we will have once Tre get back.  Tre and one of Jackson, Elam or Benford at outside CB.  With Taron Johnson and Cam Lewis to play slot.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by freddyjj

[The Wiz]

[MJS]

Even if he was just as good at safety as he is as corner, you still keep him at corner. Corner is a more important position and Tre White is an all-pro corner.

 

[Simon Says]

14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

Woodson is significantly bigger than White. He moved to safety at 31,after several injuries. 

Let's see how White looks at corner,if healthy, he is the Bills top XB. Plus, there has already been talk of moving Benford. 

White knows that corners can make more than safeties.

[Freddie's Dead]

or Steve Carell:

 

[JoPoy88]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

none of what you said here is accurate or backed up by anything. The insistence by a handful of people here to shift players away from their natural positions is borderline deranged. 
 

Taron Johnson? Gotta move him to the boundary.

 

Edmunds? Try him as an edge rusher.

 

ALL-PRO corner Tre White? Obviously better as a safety. 
 

Insane.

[Freddie's Dead]

or Mike Myers:

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Why Tre? Why not one of Jackson, Benford or Elam?

 

Tre is an All-Pro CB...

Because Tre is coming off injury. 

Benford is not a bad idea too.

[GunnerBill]

I'm not moving Tre to safety at this point. However, in fairness to Ethan it isn't the stupidest suggestion in the world. He could definitely do it at a high level and there were even those who thought he'd eventually end up at safety coming out. Maybe if in two years Hyde and Poyer have both gone, Elam is elite and Benford is a good established corner #2 then I'd consider moving Tre. We might then get to the point where you ask what is the best way to get our best 4 or 5 DBs on the field. Benford at safety is another option. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

18 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. 

Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another.

Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel.

My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. 

Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary.

 

Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think. 

 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I'm not moving Tre to safety at this point. However, in fairness to Ethan it isn't the stupidest suggestion in the world. He could definitely do it at a high level and there were even those who thought he'd eventually end up at safety coming out. Maybe if in two years Hyde and Poyer have both gone, Elam is elite and Benford is a good established corner #2 then I'd consider moving Tre. We might then get to the point where you ask what is the best way to get our best 4 or 5 DBs on the field. Benford at safety is another option. 

No sorry Gun but it is way to early to consider this as it pertains to White. As he ages maybe.
 

Benford may well be an effective tweener and if they want to try that fine.

[Freddie's Dead]

or Sean Bean:

 

[NewEra]

[H2o]

[Royale with Cheese]

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

No sorry Gun but it is way to early to consider this as it pertains to White. As he ages maybe.
 

Benford may well be an effective tweener and if they want to try that fine.

 

At the point that I say I would be open to it White would be about 3 months short of 30. He plays corner this year, and next year, so long as he is still physically capable there is no doubt about that. 

 

But beyond that as he ages you have to think about how you get your best DBs on the field together and in a situation where Elam and Benford both develop well I can see the argument for the younger legs on the outside and let Tre range in centre field. All I am saying is I would be open to it if the right circumstances arose a couple of years from now. 

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I'm not moving Tre to safety at this point. However, in fairness to Ethan it isn't the stupidest suggestion in the world. He could definitely do it at a high level and there were even those who thought he'd eventually end up at safety coming out. Maybe if in two years Hyde and Poyer have both gone, Elam is elite and Benford is a good established corner #2 then I'd consider moving Tre. We might then get to the point where you ask what is the best way to get our best 4 or 5 DBs on the field. Benford at safety is another option. 

 

Completely agree.  It's not that far-fetched and was talked about when he was drafted.  We're about 3 years too early for the discussion but it could very well be a late-career move for Tre.

[freddyjj]

Tre's OJT during Day 1 at move to Safety

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

At least let him try to play corner again before you pile on the injury ended his career at corner story line

 

In McDermott's and Frazier's defense slot corners are ideal players to convert to safety (both poyer and Hyde) also see cam lewis in training camp

 

Moving an undersized corner is not ideal and when you add that he is one of the best in the league at corner moving him is a bad idea.

 

[TheBrownBear]

Move Gabe Davis to holder until his ankle heals.  Shakir played well last week and Davis has great hands for holding (or he did until this week).  Then we can cut Martin and sign Andy Isabella, Cole Beasley and OBJ.

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Move Gabe Davis to holder until his ankle heals.  Shakir played well last week and Davis has great hands for holding (or he did until this week).  Then we can cut Martin and sign Andy Isabella, Cole Beasley and OBJ.

Excellent. And just let Odell punt until he can run routes.