st pete gogolak Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 It’d say 55-60 he should be able to hit from, I sometimes feel like he doesn’t have the coaches trust quite yet. That ugly miss last week, did we ever figure out what that was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’d say 55-60 he should be able to hit from, I sometimes feel like he doesn’t have the coaches trust quite yet. That ugly miss last week, did we ever figure out what that was? It was tipped according to a lot of people. I haven't seen a good replay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. I think they wanted to get it somewhere close to the 50. After the holding penalty I think when Allen started to move he should have just ran a few yards and then gone down because it would have given us the spike opportunity. For Isaiah to get from where he was to the sideline was always going to be tricky. He might have got there had he not tried to get us a few yards.... I dunno. I think the holding penalty killed it tbh. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. The TV red line they had is based on the kicker's past history and realistic range. Can kickers outkick what the imaginary line is on the field? Sure, but the further back you go, you're typically going to sacrifice accuracy due to the kicker having to put more into the kick itself. Could Bass hit from 60? On a good day in good conditions? Probably, but probably not with any consistency. Edited September 28, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 When I was at the Titans MNF game last year, I saw Bass in warm ups hitting them from 60 and clearing the uprights by about 5-7 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’d say 55-60 he should be able to hit from, I sometimes feel like he doesn’t have the coaches trust quite yet. That ugly miss last week, did we ever figure out what that was? To me it looked like a bad kick that was tipped because it wasn't kicked clean. 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they wanted to get it somewhere close to the 50. After the holding penalty I think when Allen started to move he should have just ran a few yards and then gone down because it would have given us the spike opportunity. For Isaiah to get from where he was to the sideline was always going to be tricky. He might have got there had he not tried to get us a few yards.... I dunno. I think the holding penalty killed it tbh. The problem was that everyone was down field already. If we could have gone down with closer to 15 seconds left you can theoretically collapse on the ground and get the 10 second runoff to attend to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they wanted to get it somewhere close to the 50. After the holding penalty I think when Allen started to move he should have just ran a few yards and then gone down because it would have given us the spike opportunity. For Isaiah to get from where he was to the sideline was always going to be tricky. He might have got there had he not tried to get us a few yards.... I dunno. I think the holding penalty killed it tbh. The holding penalty for sure killed it. I think to hit the sideline Isiah would have had to loop further backward away from the Phins endzone. The defender did a decent job of playing the angle and forcing him back inside. A Lil' Dirty that wasn't cramping might have been able to get the yardage and get out of bounds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. At the Miami 47 following the holding call- a draw gets you 3 yards? That puts the ball on the 50 which equates to a 68 yard kick. That would be a new NFL record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I have seen bass hit 60 plus in practices that would have been good in a game with height over the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) analysis paralysis....can't have a holding penalty, that did them in. Edited September 28, 2022 by Matt_In_NH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. Probably - there was zero wind and he may very well have hit a 60 yarder...but then again his miss was pretty bad so who knows what would have been going through his mind if he had an opportunity at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: The TV red line they had is based on the kicker's past history and realistic range. Can kickers outkick what the imaginary line is on the field? Sure, but the further back you go, you're typically going to sacrifice accuracy due to the kicker having to put more into the kick itself. Could Bass hit from 60? On a good day in good conditions? Probably, but probably not with any consistency. I think teams decide what the max range is based off kickers warm ups and what the kicker is comfortable with before the game even starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. Such a brutal time to have a holding penalty. I'd give Bass even odds at hitting from 60 to win the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they wanted to get it somewhere close to the 50. After the holding penalty I think when Allen started to move he should have just ran a few yards and then gone down because it would have given us the spike opportunity. For Isaiah to get from where he was to the sideline was always going to be tricky. He might have got there had he not tried to get us a few yards.... I dunno. I think the holding penalty killed it tbh. Yeah Mckenzie could have just ran forward for a few yards and went down. He never should have tried for the boundary. If he could make it to this red circle (dive if you have to), then that’s a 60 yard field goal. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Yeah Mckenzie could have just ran forward for a few yards and went down. He never should have tried for the boundary. If he could make it to this red circle (dive if you have to), then that’s a 60 yard field goal. Two options were forward and immediately down or make it to the sideline. He tried to do both and didn't. Not his fault, not Josh's. The battered line held taking them out of range, and then collapsed on the final play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I think teams decide what the max range is based off kickers warm ups and what the kicker is comfortable with before the game even starts. True, but the TV is attempting to give viewers a reasonable expectation for where they need to get to for what is a realistic attempt at a FG and they base that of the kicker's career long I believe. Edited September 28, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The better question is at what distance do the odds of making the FG fall below the odds of making a hail mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: True, but the TV is attempting to give viewers a reasonable expectation for where they need to get to for what is a realistic attempt at a FG and they base that of the kicker's career long I believe. Well thanks for that. I honestly never paid much attention and just assumed the redline was like just a generic distance for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, DasNootz said: Two options were forward and immediately down or make it to the sideline. He tried to do both and didn't. Not his fault, not Josh's. The battered line held taking them out of range, and then collapsed on the final play. I think it was definitely his fault. He has to know that it takes far longer to run 25 yards than 5 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The commonly accepted range for bass is F2 to E4 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah Mckenzie could have just ran forward for a few yards and went down. He never should have tried for the boundary. If he could make it to this red circle (dive if you have to), then that’s a 60 yard field goal. Thanks for this. Situational recognition of time and clock is you catch get up field and down. Easily would have been inside the 45 with 12-13 seconds (play started with 18 seconds) and a spike. Then either a Hail Mary or Kick. Already had a 59, 58 & 57 (to win game on the last play) yarders made this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. I agree 100% with no timeout much better call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: analysis paralysis....can't have a holding penalty, that did them in. Have we seen the clip of said hold? As I know it was called yet never saw it live nor on a replay. Edited September 28, 2022 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I was surprised going back and looking at play by play of Dolphins game that Bills were perhaps already in Bass' field goal range at end of game. Situation was second and ten on Miami 43 with 22 seconds left, no timeouts. Next play was holding penalty. Was 60 yards within Bass' range? How about a draw, pick up a few yards, spike, FG attempt from 55 - 56 yards. I know that every possible scenario from the game has been beat to death but I'm wondering if 38 yard miss influenced decisions near end of game. They ahd the line set at Miami 40 so that would of been a 58 yeard FG...... so that easy Draw play would not of gotten it to 56 yards....at the spot where McKenzie got to it would of been a 60 yard FG attempt The kickers do kicks in warm up and know where there range is along with the coaches 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Have we seen the clip of said hold? As I know it was called yet never saw it live nor on a replay. the holding prevented a sack .... Miami took the penalty to push them out of range of the FG there as it pushed them to the Buffalo 47 vs the Miami 43.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah Mckenzie could have just ran forward for a few yards and went down. He never should have tried for the boundary. If he could make it to this red circle (dive if you have to), then that’s a 60 yard field goal. I think couple seconds before I think McKenzie was open before first down would easy got there. Looks broken coverage and then some would of been precious time and easier to spike the ball or oline if they gave Allen a second longer before pressure. Allen saw him late saw some replays. Edited September 28, 2022 by Buffalo Bills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 More than 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I watched him at the Senior Bowl consistently make 50-55 yd field goals half way up the goal posts…. But it seems the coaching staff is only comfortable with him around 50…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 A year or two ago the interviewed the kicker with the current longest kick (forgot his name), and they were asking him if any kickers in the NFL could hit a 70 yarder. He said there were maybe 2 or 3 and one of them was Bass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer8732 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Anything from the left hash mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) Bass can hit 60 in warmups but that is different than game circumstances We trot him out from 55+ a few times a year Edited September 28, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Einstein said: Yeah Mckenzie could have just ran forward for a few yards and went down. He never should have tried for the boundary. If he could make it to this red circle (dive if you have to), then that’s a 60 yard field goal. Watching the game live, this is what I thought he was going to do. In my head, I am thinking Bass could hit from 60-65 max, so my target line was the 45. Not saying he would have made it, of course, but he has the leg to get it there. Would have been a tough kick for sure, but I would have liked to at least have the chance to try it. Getting out of bounds there was not worth the extra 5 yards. Heat of the moment with everything going on, I will never blame Dirty, though. Just an unfortunate set of circumstances. Edited September 28, 2022 by sven233 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The bass range area lies around 60 – 250 Hz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Off the top of my head ~50 is where I would trust him. Looked it up after I typed the first line, he's 6-10 on over 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: To me it looked like a bad kick that was tipped because it wasn't kicked clean. No one else has mentioned this, so I could be wrong. But I think his plant foot slid just a little bit, causing him to hit the ball high, while pulling it - allowing the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I’d say around the 42,43 yard line for a decent shot in good conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said: No one else has mentioned this, so I could be wrong. But I think his plant foot slid just a little bit, causing him to hit the ball high, while pulling it - allowing the tip. Looked like he kicked it with the arch of his foot too - something went wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Hes a soprano but he can't quite hit he falsetto. Way better than Bojo who was a crappy Alto but we can do better in the draft next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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