Playoffs? Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Playoffs? said: We have no idea what happened from when Tua hit his head on the ground (last week) to when he came back out.m in second half. We have no idea who was responsible for what, or who was pulling strings. We don’t know sh!t. And sorry, Captain.. my point being, we don’t know if it was the doctor, people within the Dolphins organization, or the NFL…. But someone was responsible for putting him back on the field last week and this game…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I just realized it reminds me of Washington with RG3, nothing to help the kid and setting him up to be hurt. The Dolphins will destroy him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Man that was tough to watch. Tua got hammered. What is interesting is several plays earlier he was tackled by a Bengals defender (who was penalized for a late hit) and Tua went down in an odd posture, with legs crossed. Then last week he came up wobbly. I don't think he's built for the NFL. Great player though and I hope he recovers well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Captain Caveman said: We know that there is supposed to be an independent doctor who has the final say, who is supposed to ultimately be responsible for concussion monitoring, and obviously they failed. I wonder what the actual mechanics are. Seems like somebody up in booth radios down to ref to send the player to sideline to get checked out. Not sure the actual medical check is performed by independent doctor just the call down to the field but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 https://www.healthline.com/health/fencing-response Some info about why Tua's hands and arms were contorting like that. A Fencing response is always indicative of a significant traumatic brain injury. I pray he's ok. The Dolphins should burn for this. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Man that was tough to watch. Tua got hammered. What is interesting is several plays earlier he was tackled by a Bengals defender (who was penalized for a late hit) and Tua went down in an odd posture, with legs crossed. Then last week he came up wobbly. I don't think he's built for the NFL. Great player though and I hope he recovers well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We know that there is supposed to be an independent doctor who has the final say, who is supposed to ultimately be responsible for concussion monitoring, and obviously they failed. And the Dolphins team doctors also. We've been over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: people have died and you are making jokes? WTF is wrong with you What? The joke is about the incompetence of the dolphins medical staff but way to reach and try and make it about something else. Stalk my posts much? You comment or dislike almost all of my posts. It’s weird 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: I wonder what the actual mechanics are. Seems like somebody up in booth radios down to ref to send the player to sideline to get checked out. Not sure the actual medical check is performed by independent doctor just the call down to the field but I could be wrong. https://theathletic.com/3631317/2022/09/27/nfl-concussion-protocol-facts/ If the team’s medical staff feels any player is at risk of a concussion, they are required to pull the player to the sideline and into the medical tent for a focused neurological exam. The exam includes a cervical spine exam (including range of motion and pain), an evaluation of speech, observation of gait, and an eye movement and pupillary exam. If the player displays signs of any loss of consciousness, gross motor inability, confusion or amnesia, team medical staff are not permitted to let the player return to action. Who has final say about the player’s status? Each step of the league’s concussion protocol is determined by a team physician in consultation with an unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant on the sideline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We know that there is supposed to be an independent doctor who has the final say, who is supposed to ultimately be responsible for concussion monitoring, and obviously they failed. Having an independent doctor there does not absolve the Dolphin's medical staff from their responsibility to Tua. They should have benched him last week and put him in the concussion protocol. Period. It should have never even gotten to the independent doctor. I guarantee you everyone involved in the decision to put Tua back in Sunday is sweating bullets right now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: https://theathletic.com/3631317/2022/09/27/nfl-concussion-protocol-facts/ If the team’s medical staff feels any player is at risk of a concussion, they are required to pull the player to the sideline and into the medical tent for a focused neurological exam. The exam includes a cervical spine exam (including range of motion and pain), an evaluation of speech, observation of gait, and an eye movement and pupillary exam. If the player displays signs of any loss of consciousness, gross motor inability, confusion or amnesia, team medical staff are not permitted to let the player return to action. Who has final say about the player’s status? Each step of the league’s concussion protocol is determined by a team physician in consultation with an unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant on the sideline. Wow the independent neurologist just consults? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Wow the independent neurologist just consults? I guess, so, but it seems like it would be career suicide to go against their recommendation (especially should something like this happen afterward.) It seems like whatever has been the process, and whether it was followed or not, some changes need to be made if the NFL wants us to believe they are taking concussions seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: https://www.healthline.com/health/fencing-response Some info about why Tua's hands and arms were contorting like that. A Fencing response is always indicative of a significant traumatic brain injury. I pray he's ok. The Dolphins should burn for this. A second Concussion in less than a week can kill someone. Him having that kind of response is terrifying. People should go to jail over this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 That looked bad when it happened. My first thought was head, back and hand. I hope he is okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: A second Concussion in less than a week can kill someone. Him having that kind of response is terrifying. People should go to jail over this. Two mild concussion is close proximity to each other is often worse for the brain than a single major concussion. The worry is that I think both of Tua's concussions in the last four days were major. He could really have some lasting damage from these concussions. Tua playing again Sunday and then again tonight is malpractice. I don't use that word lightly. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 You’re gonna see doctors employed by the NFLPA on the sideline instead of individual team doctors if Tua has permanent damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Bills fans diagnosing head injuries is almost as fun as Bills fans investigating sexual assault. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty98 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: A second Concussion in less than a week can kill someone. Him having that kind of response is terrifying. People should go to jail over this. Yes and no, second impact syndrome affects people under a certain age, but once they are 23/24 it seems to not be the same factor. REGARDLESS, there's a lot of questions to be answered right now and prayers for a kid that shouldn't have been put in that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: And sorry, Captain.. my point being, we don’t know if it was the doctor, people within the Dolphins organization, or the NFL…. But someone was responsible for putting him back on the field last week and this game…. We do know. It was an independent neurologist. They have one at every game. That’s who clears them after a head injury, and apparently the neurologist cleared him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Airseven said: Bills fans diagnosing head injuries is almost as fun as Bills fans investigating sexual assault. As an attorney, I can assure you most legal conversations here are ridiculously sophomoric and just generally wrong. But people enjoy "talking" so I guess there's a value to it. I have seen enough pro sports and seen enough guys get lit up to know that he had head trauma last week, and it's also why he had more tonight, especially stemming from much less violent contact. This is going to be a huge story and heads will end up rolling; it will take time to get going however. It won't explode overnight. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Should be an open and shut case now!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Tanoros said: We do know. It was an independent neurologist. They have one at every game. That’s who clears them after a head injury, and apparently the neurologist cleared him. But would we know if there were any shenanigans? Lots of people getting upset with the Dolphins organization. Did they influence this at all? Or should they have just veto’d based on the eye test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Airseven said: Bills fans diagnosing head injuries is almost as fun as Bills fans investigating sexual assault. Nobody’s “diagnosing” or “investigating” anything. They’re discussing, which is the whole point of a message board. To discuss things. 5 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomur67 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Notice none of the TV people are mentioning the possible concussion last week and the possible another head trauma tonight. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 The Dolphins really lied and put Tua’s life at risk just so they could beat the Bills in a relatively meaningless week 3 game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, tomur67 said: Notice none of the TV people are mentioning the possible concussion last week and the possible another head trauma tonight. They're company men. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, tomur67 said: Notice none of the TV people are mentioning the possible concussion last week and the possible another head trauma tonight. They just brought it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Airseven said: Bills fans diagnosing head injuries is almost as fun as Bills fans investigating sexual assault. Debating what we saw in front of our TV is a lot different than some nonsense with Twitter attorneys etc. Anyone who's played a lick of sports knows that dude got lit up and his lights were out. The white knight look ain't a good look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: They just brought it up. Herbstreit came close to saying the back injury was bull#### but then must have remembered all his Amazon bucks. What a shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, DallasBillsFan1 said: Man that was tough to watch. Tua got hammered. What is interesting is several plays earlier he was tackled by a Bengals defender (who was penalized for a late hit) and Tua went down in an odd posture, with legs crossed. Then last week he came up wobbly. I don't think he's built for the NFL. Great player though and I hope he recovers well. That's charitable. I don't think he's earned the "great" moniker. He does seem like a great guy and a prospect with potential though. I wish him good health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) High end barristers had Tua on their mind before tonight. After tonight, they, and their teams are looking to inquire. Edited September 30, 2022 by I am the egg man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I will say that it's entirely possible and even likely he was legitimately cleared last week, and it was really more about his back as disclosed, but this is a terrible look for the Dolphins and NFL. It reeks of second impact syndrome. Whether it's deserved or not, someone will likely get fired/sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, tomur67 said: Notice none of the TV people are mentioning the possible concussion last week and the possible another head trauma tonight. I'm sure they were all given a memo from the NFL to keep quiet. Al mentioned it for a moment just after the first replay then pivoted quickly to "back injury" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Does Tua have a charity? Maybe we should try to shine a light on what's obviously an awful lapse in judgement on Miamis end. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollaBills Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Does Tua have a charity? Maybe we should try to shine a light on what's obviously an awful lapse in judgement on Miamis end. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Does Tua have a charity? Maybe we should try to shine a light on what's obviously an awful lapse in judgement on Miamis end. Just now, DollaBills said: this Third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Does Tua have a charity? Maybe we should try to shine a light on what's obviously an awful lapse in judgement on Miamis end. There's an official NFL Concussion charity for past players: https://concussionfoundation.org/programs/team-up-speak-up/supporters/NFLPA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollaBills Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 https://www.tuafoundation.org/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Marvin said: Third. Yup. Good call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) Does anyone else (think I know the answer) think Tua is simply NOT an NFL QB? He has some skills, sure, but physically he is unsafe out there. Just unable to protect himself enough to withstand the game's violence. I've never seen a guy get ragdolled by every defender who really gets their hands on him. Almost every season, since college. Would have been better for him to get knocked out of last week's game, which we all know is what actually happened in the alternate reality where the NFL follows its own very important protocols. Edited September 30, 2022 by Richard Noggin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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