Johnson, Hamlin, a Vet trade?

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Everyone please R-E-L-A-X.  Wait til

there really is a problem.

 

Some of you still have drought PTSD.  You either believe in you’re team, the coaching and Mgmt, or you don’t.  If every hiccup and hate to tell you there will probably be another, you do t have the stomach for a Bills Mafia guy.  Weather the storm.

 

Bright side.  Tre will be back in A few weeks, the D Line even with injuries is better, and our coaches always get the most out of our secondary.

Don’t do it. When you want to Kumerow. 

[Buffalo716]

36 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m not sure. I don’t think he’d be out of work next year, maybe I used a poor choice of words but I’d imagine he’s playing for about 5-10 million in guarantees on that contract though. 

He absolutely has the chance to earn a bigger payday

 

And I don’t think he necessarily would’ve gotten a huge contract… But like a 3 year 10 mill deal

 

4-6 mill guarantee 

[Scott7975]

Hyde will be missed but Johnson is very capable.  This D is about the sum of its parts not the individual pieces.  McD will have these guys ready.

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

TBD Squad, im traveling during the early part of the game tomorrow for work to Philly so root on our Bills.  
 

I’m praying to the airline gods my AA flight has the tvs and has the game.  

 

Now that we are both 2-0, this one becomes even more important.  For those heading south, drive the fir weathered fans of South Beach nuts and we’ll rule the 2nd half taking over the stadium.  Our boys will love it.

 

GO BILLS!  20-0 BABY!

 

Cant you just purchase the planes wifi and find the game on your phone or ipad or something?

[BigAl2526]

I had a post in the Micah Hyde injury thread about free agents.  The bottom line is, there's not much out there.  Teams are probably not going to be highly motivated to help Buffalo's anticipated Super Bowl run by trading a quality veteran too Buffalo at a fair price.  They will fill Hyde's roster spot with someone who can play safety or perhaps fill it with a CB and move Siran Neal's primary responsibility back to safety.  Either Johnson or Hamlin is likely to start the rest of the year, and the guy who doesn't start will end up as the primary backup.

[Taro Nimbus]

56 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Please define "fine."

 

 

What part of that did you not understand?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Only injury that will really derail this teams SB hopes is one to Josh… they’ll figure it out without Hyde.

What about Diggs?  That would leave only Davis and Kumerow as an outside WR?

[ngbills]

Hyde and Poyer play huge roles in this defense. Having them allows the team to do lots of things. Will be interesting to see who steps up and how this plays out. Johnson has played one real game in his career and that was a 40-0 blowout vs HOU. The Bills would not have paid Hyde if he was not as important as people want to admit. Does not mean doom and gloom, just a bigger task and downgrade without him on the field. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Please define "fine."

 

 

Fine = can still win the Super Bowl.  It’s literally the only thing that matters.  Do you disagree? 

[Ya Digg?]

Unless I have missed it somewhere, who/what/where/why trade for a vet? Who is available? Why do people just assume Johnson and Hamlin can’t handle it? 
 

it boggles my mind that people think bringing in a completely new guy and putting them out on the field is a better solution than playing the guys who have been here for a couple of years 

[machine gun kelly]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Hyde will be missed but Johnson is very capable.  This D is about the sum of its parts not the individual pieces.  McD will have these guys ready.

 

Cant you just purchase the planes wifi and find the game on your phone or ipad or something?

Won’t know until I’m on the plane.

 I travel many weeks but not as much as before.  It’s the roulette lottery whether you get a plane you get the game on the ipad or not.

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Honest question, for those posting Johnson and Hamlin will be fine. What are you basing that on? Hyde and Poyer have barely left the field in the last four years. There is very little game tape for any of the back up safeties. For a few years, Neal was the 3rd safety. 

I'm not saying they can't play well, I just don't understand all the posts that say the defense will be fine or that the backups will play well. 

I think trusting in LF and the team development concept. Both Hyde and Poyer had potential but were unproven until they came to the Bills. Johnson has 4 years in the system and I think he has the best chance of immediate success. Hamlin might be more of a work in progress but see them staying with these 2 over big names on the market. Hyde is certainly a loss but the confidence in the Bills prep has me feeling Johnson will be decent. 

[GolfandBills]

They’ll bring someone in after this game for sure.  They need 1 regardless if Johnson starts the rest of the season.  

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

There is only one solution. We need more Johnson’s on this team. Jaquan, taron, Duke, if they add someone it’s gotta be a Johnson 

Nothing good happens when you bring another Johnson to the party. 

[DrPJax]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Why is he always so annoying?  I find highly improbable that Mark Gaughan reported on the significance of the injury mid-week, but the Bills were caught off guard.  
 

The guy replacing him has been in the system for years.  
 

Not sure why “this would hit Bills harder than most”. 

 

  I think it hits harder because he is a proven leader who makes impact plays all over the field   You can’t replace his game experience and he is a poster for the process and culture    He is a classy leader who brings lots of intangibles and it’s a shame he won’t be there for the best chance I can think of since the 90’s to actually win  a Super Bowl   Plus it hits harder because IF he has what I think he has as a diagnosis , spinal stenosis, it  could mean the end of his career as a Bill and perhaps in football as well  as surgery doesn’t promise he can return to play   The surgery hopefully fixes the problem but that could just mean he can lead a normal life afterwards  I think it’s the POSSIBILITY of permanently being gone that makes this hit a little harder, certainly from an emotional standpoint.  
 

I get your point tho that we should have a capable replacement and hopefully that will be enough on the field to keep the d playing at a great level   This game and the KC game will really test the secondary    😊😉

 

[ngbills]

Hoping for a CIN loss to the Jets. They fold on the season and trade us Bates. Problem solved.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

15 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I think trusting in LF and the team development concept. Both Hyde and Poyer had potential but were unproven until they came to the Bills. Johnson has 4 years in the system and I think he has the best chance of immediate success. Hamlin might be more of a work in progress but see them staying with these 2 over big names on the market. Hyde is certainly a loss but the confidence in the Bills prep has me feeling Johnson will be decent. 

I understand what you are saying but that logic doesn't really work. That would be akin to saying Barkley has been in the same QB room for three years and can function well in relief of Allen. 

The only real reason people are optimistic is because they are unknowns. We don't know how they are going to play so people are assuming just because Hyde and Poyer developed in McD's system so will these other guys. They very well may and then even more kudos to McD and Frazier for coaching them up. 

Tomorrow will be a great test. Beane failed to get Von Miller last year to put us over the top. We need to see if these kids are good enough or if Beane needs to make a move. All in this year no matter the cost.

[frogger]

Johnson actually provides more in run support, he’s played well in spot duty.  

[letsgoteam]

They have talked up Johnson, its time to see what he can do. So much freaking out over "nothing". (I know Hyde is good, but still)

[akcash]

I just want Tim Settle to play and nobody gets hurt. 

[Ross Murdock]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

BD Squad, im traveling during the early part of the game tomorrow for work to Philly so root on our Bills.  
 

I’m praying to the airline gods my AA flight has the tvs and has the game.  

 

Now that we are both 2-0, this one becomes even more important.  For those heading south, drive the fir weathered fans of South Beach nuts and we’ll rule the 2nd half taking over the stadium.  Our boys will love it.

 

Your flying on a commuter jet. You'll be lucky to have a bathroom. Plus the Bills game is not televised locally in Philly. Better find a bar with an NFL package. 

[DCbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Honest question, for those posting Johnson and Hamlin will be fine. What are you basing that on? Hyde and Poyer have barely left the field in the last four years. There is very little game tape for any of the back up safeties. For a few years, Neal was the 3rd safety. 

I'm not saying they can't play well, I just don't understand all the posts that say the defense will be fine or that the backups will play well. 

I'm just basing it on confidence.  McD's teams rarely have mental breakdowns, Johnson has been here 3 plus years, and they've had 5 days to prepare as a team.  The Ravens secondary guys got hurt during the game and the rookies were forced into the game.  It might be a little ugly tomorrow but the Bills also have Allen.  The best player in the NFL.

[dpberr]

I think J. Johnson will impress.  He's well-versed in the defense.  

 

J. Johnson and Hamlin are football players first, athletes second, and they are smart players, well-versed in the defense.  

 

I'm excited to see what the Bills have here in these guys. 

 

 

[Rubes]

I just hope we don't overreact and pass final judgment on Johnson and the rookie DBs after this game.

 

Gonna take them a few games to get used to each other and playing full time.

 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Rubes said:

I just hope we don't overreact and pass final judgment on Johnson and the rookie DBs after this game.

 

Gonna take them a few games to get used to each other and playing full time.

 

Lol first pass completed someone will post we need an upgrade in the GDT.. 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

There is only one solution. We need more Johnson’s on this team. Jaquan, taron, Duke, if they add someone it’s gotta be a Johnson 

Add the Rob's, Lonnie (Fr..ing), 

[ndirish1978]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

This is why the Bills built depth on the team. They are better off from within than some outsider. I trust this coaching staff with the secondary more than anything else.

 

I just want to note the irony that the only person who disagreed with your point is a poster named "nextmanup" 

2 hours ago, Rew said:

They will definitely want to bring in a DB for depth.  As everyone else said, we have safetys and cbs that can play safety ready to play in this system.  Expect some 2-4 year talent that never impressed his former team, but was well rated in draft to join our practice squad or active roster as a backup sometime in the next few weeks.  If they can't find the right guy, then they probably feel comfortable with who they have, baring another injury.

 

HAMSAH NASIRILDEEN?

[Success]

NOBODY PANIC!!!!!  You all friggin' hear me?!!!  Just STAY CALM!!!!!   It's all GOING TO BE FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I understand what you are saying but that logic doesn't really work. That would be akin to saying Barkley has been in the same QB room for three years and can function well in relief of Allen. 

The only real reason people are optimistic is because they are unknowns. We don't know how they are going to play so people are assuming just because Hyde and Poyer developed in McD's system so will these other guys. They very well may and then even more kudos to McD and Frazier for coaching them up. 

Tomorrow will be a great test. Beane failed to get Von Miller last year to put us over the top. We need to see if these kids are good enough or if Beane needs to make a move. All in this year no matter the cost.

To be fair to the discussion comparing Allen with Barkley and Hyde to Johnson is not relevant. Athletically a massive gap vs similar athleticism vs instincts and experience. No suggestion that Hyde won’t be a loss but the drop off comparison is apples/oranges. I’m optimistic because LF is. Hope that makes sense. I feel your concern for sure. 

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, akcash said:

I just want Tim Settle to play and nobody gets hurt. 

Is that a demand like, “do what I say, and nobody gets hurt!”

[ArtVandalay]

Backup saftey is the biggest hole on this roster, has been for years, we have competely ignored it and now that is about to rear its ugly head. 

 

We are going to need a trade. I will be floored if Johnson or Hamlin is anything less than exploited.

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said:

To be fair to the discussion comparing Allen with Barkley and Hyde to Johnson is not relevant. Athletically a massive gap vs similar athleticism vs instincts and experience. No suggestion that Hyde won’t be a loss but the drop off comparison is apples/oranges. I’m optimistic because LF is. Hope that makes sense. I feel your concern for sure. 

Umm... sorry but there is a MASSIVE gap between Johnson and Hyde athletically, pull their profiles on Playerprofiler.com ... Johnson is near bottom percentile in every athletic measurement, plus he's undersized.  Not a good combo. Hyde is bigger eh 4.56 speed, Johnson is small with 4.69 speed.  Eesh.

[akcash]

51 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Is that a demand like, “do what I say, and nobody gets hurt!”

That's correct and thanks for drilling down on that!🤜🤛

[John from Riverside]

47 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Backup saftey is the biggest hole on this roster, has been for years, we have competely ignored it and now that is about to rear its ugly head. 

 

We are going to need a trade. I will be floored if Johnson or Hamlin is anything less than exploited.

We have not completely ignored it you cannot be all pro at every position you have to take young guys and bring them along and back up positions which is exactly what we did

Edited September 25, 2022 by John from Riverside

[ArtVandalay]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We have not completely ignored it you cannot be all pro at every position you have to take young guys and bring them along and back up positions which is exactly what we did

Oh stop with the strawman.  All pro every position? Be serious. We have made zero investment at all in backup safety and we have 2 guys in their 30s. Johnson lacks athleticism and size and was drafted in the 6th round 4 years ago. Hamlin is a rookie drafted in the 6th, also bad bottom 25th percentile athleticism.

 

Throwing grinder special teamer type 6th round pick against the wall isn't a serious investment. 

 

Maybe the kids surprise but this is a weak link of the roster. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Oh stop with the strawman.  All pro every position? Be serious. We have made zero investment at all in backup safety and we have 2 guys in their 30s. Johnson lacks athleticism and size and was drafted in the 6th round 4 years ago. Hamlin is a rookie drafted in the 6th, also bad bottom 25th percentile athleticism.

 

Throwing grinder special teamer type 6th round pick against the wall isn't a serious investment. 

 

Maybe the kids surprise but this is a weak link of the roster. 

There is no strawman every team in the league does this you cannot have a highly paid player at every position there’s this thing called the salary cap therefore you have to draft them and then groom them  The bills decided to invest their draft picks on the dl

 

every team Hast to pick and choose where those investments are going to go pass rush was the right route

Edited September 25, 2022 by John from Riverside

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I think with Poyer banged up too that a trade becomes a real

possibility. The issue is there probably really aren’t that many guys around the league that are upgrades, at a reasonable price. Or maybe we can get Hayden to come in and play S

Edited September 25, 2022 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I think with Poyer banged up too that a trade becomes a real

possibility. The issue is there probably really aren’t that many guys around the league that are upgrades, at a reasonable price. Or maybe we can get Hayden to come in and play S

I think a lot is going to depend on how they knew tomorrow we are putting a lot of trust into Johnson and Hamlin I am a fan of both players

[KingBoots8]

Poyer and Hyde were free agents before they came here and took control. Poyer was a rescue from the Browns who hadn’t done much, and Hyde was originally in GB where he was flashing but not the player he is now. I trust our coaching to have either developed our guys to be ready to take over when the time comes, or at least have their eyes open for the next wave of under appreciated safeties.

Miami is the first test to see if our heir apparents in the secondary are ready to take over. Rookie CB’s, backup Safeties, etc.

 

Our best case scenario is these guys light it up and make victory all the sweeter. We can only hope that it may be hard for some of the vets to take their jobs back full time should these guys show up. worst case they just need to stay healthy and lean on Josh to outgun Tua.

[JohnNord]

11 hours ago, Wizard said:

Damn. Losing Hyde really hurts from his talent, professionalism, and as a true culture creator of the Bills' identity and defense.

 

I think Johnson is a serviceable starter and Hamlin gives alright depth.

 

Any safety vets on non-playoff teams that may reasonably be looked at in a trade?

The Bills have not made a significant in-season move to their roster since signing Kelvin Benjamin in 2017 - McDermott & Beane’s first year.  
 

The only way I see a trade happening would be if Johnson and/or Hamlin struggles badly

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, Ross Murdock said:

Your flying on a commuter jet. You'll be lucky to have a bathroom. Plus the Bills game is not televised locally in Philly. Better find a bar with an NFL package. 

I know brother.  I checked the 506 maps.  I was going to see if I could stay in the airport and watch there, but liklihood a bar in the airport has the ticket is low.  Im going to tell Uber to find me a sports bar on the way to my hotel.  I appreciate the advice.  I mentioned this as I thought a couple of you would have ideas.

 

Go Bills!