Bills cuts

[hemma]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

So why cut Mancz? That’s the interesting one.

You got me.  I didn’t think we were even allowed to cut an injured player without an accompanying injury settlement.

I think it’s possible that he refused the injury settlement and Beane said fuggit, bye bye.  

[UKBillFan]

13 minutes ago, hemma said:

You got me.  I didn’t think we were even allowed to cut an injured player without an accompanying injury settlement.

I think it’s possible that he refused the injury settlement and Beane said fuggit, bye bye.  

Thought the latest report was that he should be fit for the Rams.

 

Only thing is if we’re going to put someone else on IR and bring him back. Perhaps he was the one chosen to go through that as he’s not as engrained with the Bills as Hart whilst I think I’m right in saying Sweeney, Lewis and McCloud would all go through waivers, so there was a risk that someone else would pick them up.

[SoMAn]

To everyone concerned about Stevenson, Mancz, Hodgins, etc.......chill for a few minutes.  

 

There will be a lot of roster juggling and gamesmanship within the next few days that will allow the Bills to retain players they feel have potential and may end up on the 53 at some point. There's some risk when attempting to sneak prospects through waivers* to put on the practice squad, but that's the price you pay when you've assembled a playoff caliber team.  The NFL is structured to have competitive teams and a certain degree of parity.

The 53 you see this morning will not be the same 53 we see Sept 8.

 

*correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's kind of how the Bills ended up with Jack Kemp. 

He was with the Chargers, got injured, then was waived. The Chargers assumed they could bring him back onto 'the taxi squad' (or whatever their version of injured reserve was at that time) after clearing waivers.  But their plan didn't work out for them. DOH!

Instead, Lou Saban put in a claim, the Bills paid the $100 waiver fee, and the rest is (AFL) history. You win some, you lose some.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Thoughts:

 

Gotta feel for Mike Love. Has been with the team for four years now - works hard, plays well - and gets cut every time.

 

Disappointed in keeping Sweeney over Howard. Gave a guy who is still a physical specimen a guaranteed $3 million contract only to cut him for a guy with limited talent who has already peaked. Not the smartest.

 

With Bobby Hart and Greg Van Roten, we might have the worst OLine depth in the league. God help this team if one or more of our starting OLinemen are injured.

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes, but don’t you know? EVERY team in the league has this problem. 😅

 

They do.  Name teams that have great OL depth.

[SoMAn]

8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m really bummed about Tre. Not that he’s not ready, as a PUP-er, he can’t even practice for the 4 weeks. Perhaps the brass was as hopeful as I was, having stated several times ‘he’s on course, he’s looking very good, we’re just waiting on the med staff to give us the OK’. Now? It seems we won’t see him til at least after the Bye -missing ALL of what’s considered the toughest part of our schedule. 
Dane Jackson and rookies?? 🤦‍♂️ Devastating.

As good as Tre is, there's plenty of support in the secondary with Poyer, Hyde, T. Johnson, and mid-field with our experienced LBs.

With (hopefully) added pressure this year from the front 4 on the D line, it should make it easier for the secondary.

 

They played pretty well after Thanksgiving last year without White.  They're already improved at CB with the Levi Wallace's replacement(s).

As long as the offense does as we expect, and the defense does their job, they'll be fine.

[Coach Tuesday]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They do.  Name teams that have great OL depth.

 

Philly

[stevewin]

52 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They do.  Name teams that have great OL depth.

I've mentioned before when Sirius was doing their camp tour Pat Kirwin raved about the job Beane did to have depth on the OL.  He said if they lost their starting 5 they could still have players with starting experience at every position - there is not another team in the NFL that can say that.  They had just came from Pats TC, and he said if they lost a starter they had NO ONE (his emphasis) behind the starters

Edited August 31, 2022 by stevewin

[Billzgobowlin]

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Thoughts:

 

Gotta feel for Mike Love. Has been with the team for four years now - works hard, plays well - and gets cut every time.

 

Disappointed in keeping Sweeney over Howard. Gave a guy who is still a physical specimen a guaranteed $3 million contract only to cut him for a guy with limited talent who has already peaked. Not the smartest.

 

With Bobby Hart and Greg Van Roten, we might have the worst OLine depth in the league. God help this team if one or more of our starting OLinemen are injured.

I trust Kromer about who he needs.  Guarantee you he wouldn't put this line in a bad position

[BillsVet]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

We’ll be ok…it’s one of the reasons we drafted Elam in round 1…

 

Drafting Elam in the first round, i.e. a major long term investment, because Tre is recovering from injury to is not why they took a CB.  

 

[Wayne Arnold]

23 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I trust Kromer about who he needs.  Guarantee you he wouldn't put this line in a bad position

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

Yeah why would they talk to their position coaches about who plays those positions well, let's not get crazy here.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Thoughts:

 

Gotta feel for Mike Love. Has been with the team for four years now - works hard, plays well - and gets cut every time.

 

Disappointed in keeping Sweeney over Howard. Gave a guy who is still a physical specimen a guaranteed $3 million contract only to cut him for a guy with limited talent who has already peaked. Not the smartest.

 

With Bobby Hart and Greg Van Roten, we might have the worst OLine depth in the league. God help this team if one or more of our starting OLinemen are injured.

That says more about the state of Howard’s ability than it does Sweeney’s. Bills took a shot that Howard had sufficiently recovered from injuries and regained the form that made him the number five overall pick in his draft. Unfortunately, he is a shadow of his former self. Sweeney outplayed him all summer. It’s as simple as that. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by K-9

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

You think McDermott and Beane make the decisions alone then tell the co-ordinators to get on with it?

[DCbillsfan]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

Kromer definitely has input regarding personnel.  He's not cutting guys and signing guys. - that's Beane's job.  But he is involved in evaluating guys and most likely has significant input on who they draft and sign.  It's just how it works in the NFL.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

You think McDermott and Beane make the decisions alone then tell the co-ordinators to get on with it?

 

They receive input from the coaches, obviously. But you really think it was Kromer's choice not to invest in better OLinemen? Maybe that 2nd round pick should've been spent on the best available OLineman. Maybe they should've invested more of their free agency money on OLinemen. Things like that are above Kromer's pay grade.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They receive input from the coaches, obviously. But you really think it was Kromer's choice not to invest in better OLinemen? Maybe that 2nd round pick should've been spent on the best available OLineman. Maybe they should've invested more of their free agency money on OLinemen. Things like that are above Kromer's pay grade.

Kromer would be instrumental in who was cut from the 53 I would imagine, as far as the O-Line goes. Agreed, McDermott and Beane make the final call on draft and trades and I doubt they can please all of the people all of the time.

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They receive input from the coaches, obviously. But you really think it was Kromer's choice not to invest in better OLinemen? Maybe that 2nd round pick should've been spent on the best available OLineman. Maybe they should've invested more of their free agency money on OLinemen. Things like that are above Kromer's pay grade.

You are changing the original position that was stated. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You are changing the original position that was stated. 

 

"With Bobby Hart and Greg Van Roten, we might have the worst OLine depth in the league. God help this team if one or more of our starting OLinemen are injured."

 

How am I changing the position?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Their 2nd and 3rd round picks are head scratching to me… was a 3rd down back really necessary to use a 2nd round pick on?…. And a reserve LB in the 3rd for a defense already stacked?

 

What if Edmunds is the odd man out?  Us fans don't know what long-term planning is being considered.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They receive input from the coaches, obviously. But you really think it was Kromer's choice not to invest in better OLinemen? Maybe that 2nd round pick should've been spent on the best available OLineman. Maybe they should've invested more of their free agency money on OLinemen. Things like that are above Kromer's pay grade.

 

Just because he doesn't have a strong input on the draft doesn't mean he doesn't have strong input on who we keep.  He's the one who works with these guys every day.  

 

We saw on Embedded where they have coaches meetings pretty frequently.  McDermott/Beane is relying heavily on a position coach on how each player they are responsible for is doing.  

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

What if Edmunds is the odd man out?  Us fans don't know what long-term planning is being considered.

 

If I had to guess, Edmunds is the odd man out after this year.  He's probably going to have a big pay day in FA and just too much for us to want to pay.

Just a guess but I think it's Oliver and Knox they want to keep.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If I had to guess, Edmunds is the odd man out after this year.  He's probably going to have a big pay day in FA and just too much for us to want to pay.

Just a guess but I think it's Oliver and Knox they want to keep.

 

I never would have thought it earlier in the year but now I think it's a possibility.

[DCbillsfan]

17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They receive input from the coaches, obviously. But you really think it was Kromer's choice not to invest in better OLinemen? Maybe that 2nd round pick should've been spent on the best available OLineman. Maybe they should've invested more of their free agency money on OLinemen. Things like that are above Kromer's pay grade.

The Bills signed Saffold, Mancz, Van Roten and Quessenberry.  Plus they re-signed Bates and they drafted Tenuta.  You think Kromer had no input in those decisions?  The guy has been in the league for 20 plus years and is considered one of the best.  Why would he come to Buffalo given your stance of "he has nothing to do with personnel".  

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Just because he doesn't have a strong input on the draft doesn't mean he doesn't have strong input on who we keep.  He's the one who works with these guys every day.  

 

We saw on Embedded where they have coaches meetings pretty frequently.  McDermott/Beane is relying heavily on a position coach on how each player they are responsible for is doing.  

 

If I had to guess, Edmunds is the odd man out after this year.  He's probably going to have a big pay day in FA and just too much for us to want to pay.

Just a guess but I think it's Oliver and Knox they want to keep.

And if he’s not in the long term plans, I’ll be disappointed if they don’t consider trading him by the deadline.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

And if he’s not in the long term plans, I’ll be disappointed if they don’t consider trading him by the deadline.

 

I don't believe it will even be considered to trade the starting MLB in a year where you have Super Bowl aspirations.  What kind of message would that send to the team?  He will be here, barring injury, will start every game and then walk after IMO.

[clayboy54]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

You're delirious if you really believe in this Bills organization, Beane and McDermott do not include their position coaches in personnel decisions. This group of football people have better communication amongst  staff than any other group in Bills' history.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

What if Edmunds is the odd man out?  Us fans don't know what long-term planning is being considered.

 

They at least wanted a backup plan if he is being let go.  As for Cook I don't consider him a 3rd down back - we pass quite a bit on first down these days too 🙂

29 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

And if he’s not in the long term plans, I’ll be disappointed if they don’t consider trading him by the deadline.

 

Yeah... no.  You don't trade him unless you want to play the backup.  Not because of 2023.

[Forlorn hope]

Bills oline depth is among the best in the NFL. Doyle and browns size and power is unmatched especially in the run game. Van Roten and hart have over 100 combined starts at every position. Mancz who will probably be back on the ps is your 4th string c/g and has 30 starts at c/g. They also have developmental tackles in tenuta and Anderson.

 

It doesn't get better than that. 

[eball]

Tenuta (Colts), McCloud (Giants), Owen (Saints), and Kingsley (Bears) were claimed off waivers.

 

[CapeBreton]

 

Tenuta, McCloud, Kingsley Jonathan, Tanner Owen were all claimed, Hodgins and Blackshear are free to sign on the Bills practice squad.

 

Former Bills Jack Anderson, Rashad Wildgoose, Daryl Johnson were all claimed too, sheesh.

 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Their 2nd and 3rd round picks are head scratching to me… was a 3rd down back really necessary to use a 2nd round pick on?…. And a reserve LB in the 3rd for a defense already stacked? 
 

 

If you think they drafted Cook to be a “3rd down back” I give you too much credit.  A 2nd round selection isn’t made strictly for the upcoming season….and he isn’t going to be a “3rd down back”.   You know this, but would rather cry about it just to cry about it. 

[Brand J]

53 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't believe it will even be considered to trade the starting MLB in a year where you have Super Bowl aspirations.  What kind of message would that send to the team?  He will be here, barring injury, will start every game and then walk after IMO.

 

27 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Yeah… no.  You don't trade him unless you want to play the backup.  Not because of 2023.

If he wasn’t in the long term plans, it’d be a shrewd move, but one that I’d support, provided the coaches were comfortable with Bernard stepping into that role, of course. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bills had some players claim but who knew the Jets had a loaded roster. The Jets good or bad? 🤔

 

 

[hemma]

Oh no.  

We’re losing the AFC claimed waiver race.

[Forlorn hope]

Let's talk jets radio was pissed at some of their cuts. Patience for Joe Douglas is wearing thin

[aristocrat]

My father in law super excited we get to keep Blackshear. Thinks he's gonna be the starter 

[Billzgobowlin]

3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Kromer has nothing to do with personnel. He works with what he's given.

Are you saying position coaches have no say?

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

 

Tenuta, McCloud, Kingsley Jonathan, Tanner Owen were all claimed, Hodgins and Blackshear are free to sign on the Bills practice squad.

 

Former Bills Jack Anderson, Rashad Wildgoose, Daryl Johnson were all claimed too, sheesh.

 

 

Del'Shawn Phillips was also a Bill.

Edited August 31, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

"With Bobby Hart and Greg Van Roten, we might have the worst OLine depth in the league. God help this team if one or more of our starting OLinemen are injured."

 

How am I changing the position?

My fault. Sorry.

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, Forlorn hope said:

Let's talk jets radio was pissed at some of their cuts. Patience for Joe Douglas is wearing thin

 

 Sounds like the Donner party.... 😜