Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

Coming from the guy that thinks it’s professional to interact with pornstars online while representing yourself and your work. Your credibility is long gone my guy.

Why is it unprofessional to interact with porn stars online?

[HOUSE]

<<<<<<Half Time >>>>>>>

Get some goodies 

[1ManRaid]

I can't get over how many people are trying to pull the "cut him, he's just a punter, who cares" card.  As I've said before, I don't care if he's an All Pro QB, "just a punter", the waterboy, or a bum in the street, your station or fame shouldn't dictate what rights you have.  Way to reinforce the idea that only the rich and famous are worthy of respect, dignity, and fundamental rights.

[djp14150]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

Somebody posted an article in the thread. The US is notorious for under investigating rapes. There’s an estimated 200,000 unprocessed rape kits. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2019/07/nationwide-epidemic-of-untested-rape-kits-atlantic-daily/594046/

College gang rapes get priority

potential high profile case gets priority

The police had in by the start of November 10 months ago.

 

blame them then for the delay.

 

[thewookie1]

Here's a thought, to avoid the NFLPA problem, just wait until Tennessee cuts Kern and sign him. Then you can just give a good BS answer to keep the NFLPA off our back too.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think they already cut him based on this.

 

 

They cut him …but he still traveled to the game with the team

 

Right

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

Wonder who will hold and who will punt then?

[djp14150]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

That's what he allegedly told her - is that normally what you'd say to an almost certainly unrecognizable phone number and you were aware you did something to the girl

Do we know for a fact it was him who replied?

 

if he knew this girl and knew this number he coukd have said I’m not answering this. But one of his buddy did the talking.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

They cut him …but he still traveled to the game with the team

 

Right

 

Maybe he just appreciates first rate tail gate?  🤷‍♂️

 

He knows we will come thru! 

 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

Do we know for a fact it was him who replied?

 

if he knew this girl and knew this number he coukd have said I’m not answering this. But one of his buddy did the talking.

 

 

We know absolutely nothing really

 

So just cut him 

[DanInUticaTampa]

30 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Maybe....hear me out.....maybe this all escalated because he is now in the NFL.......maybe just maybe.....there are a lot more horror stories attached to prospects we'll never know about.  

 

Just a hunch on that tho obviously I believe they're all saints.  

 

 

Im 50/50. Something tells me that the civil suit got timed not long after he signed his contract, won the starting job, and about to play his first NFL game. So maybe being in the nfl did escalate it. The other part of me tells me the civil suit got triggered because the criminal case seems to have stalled. 

 

Either way, I would imagine there would be enough evidence to make an educated determination.  The crime she describes is very violent and she went to the police the next day. I would imagine there is physical evidence she was assaulted and probably a good chance of pictures were taken at the party that can prove them being there, possibly together. 

 

I think his lawyer and her lawyer are both spouting nonsense. I would want to see what the actual evidence is, because I think both lawyers are putting too much spin on what they are saying publicly

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

They cut him …but he still traveled to the game with the team

 

Right

So he decided not to wear the Bills issued clothes that every other player wore?

[DCbillsfan]

20 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He was already in Carolina or on his way before the story came out.

 

[HappyDays]

Keeping Araiza off the field tonight is the best decision for everybody involved. We have two weeks before we need him to take snaps. That should give the situation enough time to develop and the Bills to respond properly to the numerous question marks.

[djp14150]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

We know absolutely nothing really

 

So just cut him 

So choose lynching…..

[MClem06]

Pregame Field update, I'm on the field in Carolina and Tyler Bass just stood at the 20 yardline and booted it to the opposite 10...😝   FG and Punt god Bass ladies and gents.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

9 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said:

Lets examine this, (With my response in parentheses after each of your statements):

 

- "It’s pretty easy to tell all the individuals who have their own skeletons in their closets coming out to defend this piece of trash."  (It's pretty easy to tell who the individuals are who do not value:  due process, the laws passed by our representatives, or the US Constitution in general).

 

- "Why DEFEND Araiza at all?"  (There's no defense of the individual in question, there is a defense of due process.)

 

- "To silence any other women who have the courage to come forward?"  (No one rationale wants to silence anyone else.  I would question why anyone would only want the accusers voice to be heard, and who would try to silence the defendant, that failed logic is what needs to be questioned.  Additionally, why is your question only focusing on supposedly silencing women?  Seems there is a failure to acknowledge and understand that men are also viscously assaulted.) 

 

- "You don’t know anything except charges have been levied."  ( I / we all know as much about the charges as you do, assuming you were not directly involved here.)

 

- "What grounds do you have to defend such abhorrent accusations?"  (As previously covered, the grounds to defend the accusations are based on defending due process at large, and not just an individual.  Additionally, with the same vigor to determine if the accusations are true, the justice system also needs to take equal effort to determine if the accusations are false.)   

 

- "Every stupid emoji, every baseless defense on indefensible actions speaks volumes to your own personal character, and which virtues you hold true, if any."  (I agree, including yours.) 

 

- "If any of you taking the stance of blindly defending this dbag just because he he’s got a Buffalo on his helmet, as your wives what they think, or daughters, or mothers."  (I do think of my wife, daughter and mother.  But it would be false logic to believe abuse is limited to females. We also need to think of the husbands, sons and fathers.)

 

If my logic or conclusions are flawed, flame away, I'm here to learn; I'm interested in the truth.  On the other hand, I'm not too interested in biased viewpoints and I'm skeptical of those who try to suppress the viewpoints of others, (Via supposed shaming, etc).  In the apparent absence of continued / imminent danger to the accuser (She's getting the therapy and support she needs / deserves - the defendant is no where near her), let the punter have his job till due process dictates otherwise.

1-Due process fails sexual assault victims on a regular basis, hence why so many are found not guilty in criminal court but then liable in a civil suit.

 

2- clearly you’re not staying as up to date on the details as you should be, ie pictures of the victim that have been released… 

 

3- once again, see one, most rapists never serve a day in prison for their crime.

 

4- so which virtue do I hold true? Defending those who are almost always skewered as having “ulterior motives”, when that’s almost always not the case?  I.e. Ben & Kobe off the top of my head. Any time a high profile case hits the wires, everybody starts screaming “cash grab”, people drag the victims through the mud only to find out these individuals settled out of court. As if this mentality in public has no effect on other women coming forward. Oh and why do I focus on women, bc 9/10 rape victims are women… is that good enough for you? The victims skew super heavily to the female population. 1/3 women is victim of some form of sexual assault in their lives, that number is just unacceptable and attitudes like yours do nothing to help drive that number the opposite direction.

 

5- once again, rape victims are women an overwhelming majority of the time. These are hard facts.  Sick of hearing let the courts sort it out. So what happens if there is no criminal conviction but he’s found liable in a civil suit, as so often is the case with these matters, or he settles out of court?  Then we just look the other way.  I myself don’t want the Mike Vick, Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hills of the world on my team, why would I want this piece of garbage representing Buffalo in any way shape or form?

 

6- The NFL is a privilege, not a right. Araiza knowingly withheld this information from the Bills in the pre draft process. That alone is grounds to cut him, as this is the last thing a team with it’s eye on the Super Bowl needs less than two weeks fro, the start of the regular season.

 

I’m just applying what I know combined with statistics.

 

He admitted he had sex with a minor, at a party with alcohol

He contacted her to tell her she should get tested for STDs

Her idiot lawyer released pictures showing her bruising/physical trauma

He withheld this information in the pre draft process

Only 2-10%, with the number being believed to be around 6-8% of accusations are false.

That means over 90% of rape accusations are in fact true.

Given the information we do know, combined with the numbers supporting accusers, and him withholding information, I don’t get how he deserves to keep his roster spot.

 

 

 

[Fallser]

Glad he’s not punting tonight. In fact, I hope we don’t see him at all unless he’s found innocent on all counts. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Wonder who will hold and who will punt then?

Keenum holds & no one punts. Go for it on every 4th down. IMO

[BillsFanSD]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Keeping Araiza off the field tonight is the best decision for everybody involved. We have two weeks before we need him to take snaps. That should give the situation enough time to develop and the Bills to respond properly to the numerous question marks.

Yep.  This seems reasonable to me.  Not fair to put the kid out there under a spotlight if he's innocent, and not fair to the fanbase to put him out there if the Bills know more than they've let on.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

1-Due process fails sexual assault victims on a regular basis, hence why so many are found not guilty in criminal court but then liable in a civil suit.

 

2- clearly you’re not staying as up to date on the details as you should be, ie pictures of the victim that have been released… 

 

3- once again, see one, most rapists never serve a day in prison for their crime.

 

4- so which virtue do I hold true? Defending those who are almost always skewered as having “ulterior motives”, when that’s almost always not the case?  I.e. Ben & Kobe off the top of my head. Any time a high profile case hits the wires, everybody starts screaming “cash grab”, people drag the victims through the mud only to find out these individuals settled out of court. As if this mentality in public has no effect on other women coming forward. Oh and why do I focus on women, bc 9/10 rape victims are women… is that good enough for you? The victims skew super heavily to the female population. 1/3 women is victim of some form of sexual assault in their lives, that number is just unacceptable and attitudes like yours do nothing to help drive that number the opposite direction.

 

5- once again, rape victims are women an overwhelming majority of the time. These are hard facts.  Sick of hearing let the courts sort it out. So what happens if there is no criminal conviction but he’s found liable in a civil suit, as so often is the case with these matters, or he settles out of court?  Then we just look the other way.  I myself don’t want the Mike Vick, Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hills of the world on my team, why would I want this piece of garbage representing Buffalo in any way shape or form?

 

6- The NFL is a privilege, not a right. Araiza knowingly withheld this information from the Bills in the pre draft process. That alone is grounds to cut him, as this is the last thing a team with it’s eye on the Super Bowl needs less than two weeks fro, the start of the regular season.

 

I’m just applying what I know combined with statistics.

 

He admitted he had sex with a minor, at a party with alcohol

He contacted her to tell her she should get tested for STDs

Her idiot lawyer released pictures showing her bruising/physical trauma

He withheld this information in the pre draft process

Only 2-10%, with the number being believed to be around 6-8% of accusations are false.

That means over 90% of rape accusations are in fact true.

Given the information we do know, combined with the numbers supporting accusers, and him withholding information, I don’t get how he deserves to keep his roster spot.

 

 

 

 

Yet you still DONT know if he was even on the property at the time the rape happens.  Oh those pesky facts...

[Billsflyer12]

2 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

So choose lynching…..

Comparing cutting an NFL punter to lynching is just a horrible take.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So he decided not to wear the Bills issued clothes that every other player wore?

Perhaps think about my question first…they cut him but they allowed him to travel with the team to the game… and he actually agreed to do so..

[Airseven]

Buscaglia with hard-hitting tweets about Araiza's lack of team-issued sweatpants.

[Yobogoya!]

4 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Do we know for a fact it was him who replied?

 

if he knew this girl and knew this number he coukd have said I’m not answering this. But one of his buddy did the talking.

we don’t know anything for a fact re: the phone call, just what has been alleged by plaintiff in the filing suit. 

[Simon]

Just now, MClem06 said:

Sorry I couldn't help it , i'm sitting at work , not at the game.  I wish it were true. 

 

Don't do that again

[PromoTheRobot]

24 minutes ago, mannc said:

No, but they needed to have a strong public relations strategy in place to counter the so-far unrebutted story put out there by Gilleon and his client.  They should have had a strong counter-narrative ready, even if it wasn't much more than just denying the allegations.  They've had months to come up with one and every hour that they don't rebut the Gilleon's story will make it more difficult to win hearts and minds, which is ultimately what this is about.  That goes for the Bills, too. 

 

Seriously? You expect the Bills to get in the middle of this?? Wow, I'm glad you aren't in charge of team PR. This is a s###show. There is nothing to be gained by descending into the pit. Don't be influenced to act by the hair-on-fire takes on Twitter. 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s out tonight.

 

I presume we are going for every 4th down then? 

 

On a serious note I am not against the Bills holding him out until there is some resolution. Ideally the Commissioner would put him on the exempt list. But he didn't do that for Watson so not holding my breath.

Edited August 26, 2022 by GunnerBill

[MClem06]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Don't do that again

👀 jokes man, jokes. No one believed me , 80 yard punt from a place kicker? cmon man.

[PromoTheRobot]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Wonder who will hold and who will punt then?

 

They won't.

[djp14150]

2 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Comparing cutting an NFL punter to lynching is just a horrible take.

How is it any different? 
 

youwant someone fired because he’s being accused of something without knowing if this is even true

[BillsFanForever19]

12 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Well, I think you'll see it.

 

You were saying?

[Low Positive]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I presume we are going for every 4th down then? 

 

On a serious note I am not against the Bills holding him out until there is some resolution. Ideally the Commissioner would out him on the exempt list. 

Apparently he can't be put on the exempt list because this occurred prior to him being drafted. 

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, transient said:

It hasn't happened yet, but the PR fallout from this only started yesterday when the civil suit was filed. My point is, irrespective of the issues with Araiza, if your alternative is Haack, cutting him and replacing him with equal value off the street in a pinch probably isn't that hard. In addition to the blocked punt in Pittsburg, he was a disaster down the stretch last season.

 

Oh I don't disagree, I had fully expected Haack to not be on this roster going back to the end of last year.  I was just saying, if they had planned on also cutting Matt, it would have already been done.  They clearly felt good enough about Matts case at the time they cut Haack to also keep him, praise him publicly, and not bring in any other punters, despite how close to the season we are.  

 

But again, all that can change at any moment like I said.  Public pressure or new info could sway their stance and they could cut him at any time.  My main point was they had 6 weeks to investigate the situation and decide if they felt comfortable with Matts side of the story or not before this story came out.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Perhaps think about my question first…they cut him but they allowed him to travel with the team to the game… and he actually agreed to do so..

They might have cut him on the bus ride to the stadium I don’t know. It makes sense not to announce it tonight because they have to answer questions.

 

Every player wore the same team issued apparel getting on the plane and then entering the stadium. We didn’t see Araiza getting on the plane. Only Araiza was dressed in all black arriving to the stadium.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Success]

After checking other boards today, I've gotta admit - I do hate how everyone rushes to judgment.  It's how America has been since the internet really took off (probably before, too - but it's much more evident now).

 

America has decided that this guy is guilty, without doubt.  And that may be true - but man, do we need to let the wheels of justice roll and the truth to come out.  I really hate how a jury of twitter addicts decides these things now.  It's like Duke Lacrosse never happened.

 

[Airseven]

Bottom line is he's going to get cut eventually. Likely next week. Everyone knows it. It's unfortunate and it's weak, but it's the political climate with this stuff. 

[stevestojan]

Total side note: has to be a pretty big ego hit for Haack when he found out the Bills have known about this for weeks, and still chose Araiza. 

[Bills2022]

The Bills are too good for a punter to be the news.  What is a good punter worth anyway on a team that moves the ball.  A guy who is a directional punter is a better fit than a strong legged punter for our offense.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But again, all that can change at any moment like I said.  Public pressure or new info could sway their stance and they could cut him at any time.  My main point was they had 6 weeks to investigate the situation and decide if they felt comfortable with Matts side of the story or not before this story came out.  

 

The worst reason to do anything.