NickelCity Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Chaos said: the right thing for Araiza to do is retire "to focus on defending my reputation to avoid being a distraction for the Bills" and unretire when he clears his name. He should do this before the Bills have to cut him and make any derogatory comments about him. The first viable alternative to an outright cut or commissioner list I have heard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I noticed his lawyer is contradicting himself a LOT. Couple of amateurs trying to get famous. Yeah I’m guessing Araiza’s family doesn’t have a lot of money available to use on an excellent attorney. Because it seems strange to me that they are potentially letting their son’s life and freedom hang in the balance with a less than great lawyer. Major mistake by them currently. They need to wake up and upgrade his attorney ASAP Edited August 27, 2022 by Billznut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I noticed his lawyer is contradicting himself a LOT. Couple of amateurs trying to get famous. Exactly. And I don't think you can discount the possibility that this is a cash grab from Matt Araiza's attorney. He warned the lawyer for the victim not to keep calling the Bills bc he could get cut and then their would be no money to get. But that's also true for him, which means it was in his best interest to make the Bills believe there was nothing to the story so that he can get paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 The easy thing to do would be to cut him. The hard thing is to stand by him with all of this turmoil. The accusations sound absolutely horrible. And who ever did this too this girl should go to prison. But I will say there are many unanswered questions. Did he know she was 17. Most underage girls at adult events do not publicize them being underage. The name of her HS is also the name of a local college. If she said I go to Fordham. She’s not lying but she Actually goes to Fordam Prep. ( fordham prep is an all boys school) but you get the idea. Her accusation says he demanded her to preform oral sex on him outside. What 17 year old girl just says OK? And then that she was taken upstairs to his bedroom where she was gang raped. I’m not doubting the sexual assault didn’t happen. I’m sure it did and God willing all participants will go to prison for a very long time. I’m curious about her overall memory being so accurate. A 17 year old girl is drunk before she comes to the party. When she gets there she says they force her to drink more and slip a roofie like drug in her drink. She says she passes out at some point. I reckon her memory wasn’t as sharp as her sober mind would have been. That being said has she been told what she now says happened. I’ve drank too much before and people have told me things I didn’t remember happening. I’ve never to my knowledge taken a roofie but that would even make your memory worse. I have a suspicion that MA’s version of these events are much different. I personally commend the Bills for standing by him and at least letting his version of the story to come out. Again it would be easy to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The fact is Matt should be the one having a press conference with his attorney. If he doesn’t want to answer sensitive questions due to legal issues that is understandable but he should be out there telling people he didn’t do this or else public perception is the kid is guilty of rape. He made a press release yesterday during the game saying he was going to clear his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billznut said: Yeah I’m guessing Araiza’s family doesn’t have a lot of money available to use on an excellent attorney. Because it seems strange to me that they are potentially letting their son’s life and freedom hang in the balance with a less than great lawyer. Major mistake by them currently. They need to wake up and upgrade his attorney ASAP I agree, but it's not easy to find an attorney who's adept at this sort of case. Do you hire a criminal defense lawyer, a civil litigator, or both? Not many lawyers are experienced at defending this sort of high profile criminal/civil matter and even some of the most renowned and experienced attorneys screw it up (see Rusty Hardin and Deshaun Watson). Very few defense lawyers are media-savvy...they mostly live by the credo of "not trying the case in the media", which is exactly what has to be done right now, IMO. Edited August 27, 2022 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Billznut said: Yeah I’m guessing Araiza’s family doesn’t have a lot of money available to use on an excellent attorney. Because it seems strange to me that they are potentially letting their son’s life and freedom hang in the balance with a less than great lawyer. Major mistake by them currently. They need to wake up and upgrade his attorney ASAP That attorney has already said he will be stepping aside for one that specializes in civil cases. He was retained due to the criminal investigation, though he did communicate with the plaintiff's lawyer previously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NickelCity said: The first viable alternative to an outright cut or commissioner list I have heard I was wondering if players had a FMLA program or a leave of absence policy as well? And what effects it has on roster and pay. Haven't found anything yet to answer the questions. 🤔 Edited August 27, 2022 by LyndonvilleBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Well said by Eisen... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Araiza's attorney said it wasn't a party, it was just a gathering of football players, and that Matt Araiza never stepped foot inside the house that night. "It wasn't a party, it was just put out on Snapchat as such and welcomed 4 scanty Halloween costumed young women to join their private chill gathering" Araiza's attorney will have to educate us on the fine distinctions between a "gathering of football players" at which young "single and lookin' to mingle" ladies feel welcome vs. a "party". Maybe the music can only be heard 3 houses down instead of a block away? The victim's attorney is a total sleazebucket, but Araiza's attorney is like "amateur hour". 16 minutes ago, Motorin' said: At the same time, his attorney isn't denying that he had sex with a girl he just met outside the house. So he was just there to hang out in the yard and have sex? https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/1562958512015101958?t=w9miHXJR1w7BuJQPujRjPA&s=19 According to the lawsuit, Araiza lived there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Beck Water said: "It wasn't a party, it was just put out on Snapchat as such and welcomed 4 scanty Halloween costumed young women to join their private chill gathering" Araiza's attorney will have to educate us on the fine distinctions between a "gathering of football players" at which young "single and lookin' to mingle" ladies feel welcome vs. a "party". Maybe the music can only be heard 3 houses down instead of a block away? The victim's attorney is a total sleazebucket, but Araiza's attorney is like "amateur hour". According to the lawsuit, Araiza lived there. Araiza's attorney is denying that he lived there as well. My guess as to why he said it wasn't a party was to in some way lend credit to the defense that neither Araiza or the victim were drinking much. But Araiza also not drinking much doesn't help any claim that he doesn't remember anything from the night... I don't see a lot of straight shooting here from either legal team. And it definitely comes across as amateur hour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, Herc11 said: He made a press release yesterday during the game saying he was going to clear his name. IMHO Araiza/his lawyer making a press release during the actual game pissed the hell out of McDermott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) This thread is moving too fast for me to keep up with. Everytime I look its like 30 more pages and I dont have time to read them all lol. So, not sure if this was posted yet or not. Appologies if so. Its a whole article and I will leave a snipit. Quote Armstrong had also told CBS 8 San Diego, "You better believe he did," when asked whether Araiza had disclosed the allegation to teams before he was drafted. But Armstrong has since told ESPN that he misunderstood the question and that he does not think Araiza brought it up before the draft. "I don't know. I don't think it was before the draft," Armstrong said. "I'm almost certain it was after. Apparently I said that, so that was a mistake. But he was forthcoming with the Bills, but I don't think it was until after he was drafted because he didn't know that this was ever going to go anywhere until the L.A. Times article came out, I think around, whatever it was, five or six weeks ago." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit Edited August 27, 2022 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Well said by Eisen... And yet we all just breeze over the fact it’s a ***** punter. Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 12 hours ago, wppete said: Where are the Pegulas in this? Where’s Kim Pegula the person standing for women equality. A bunch of hypocrites…. Never thought this Bills regime and owners would let this happen. Have we seen or heard from Kim since her medical situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This thread is moving too fast for me to keep up with. Everytime I look its like 30 more pages and I dont have time to read them all lol. So, not sure if this was posted yet or not. Appologies if so. Its a whole article and I will leave a snipit. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit Araiza's attorney also told CBS San Diego that there was a Twitter page created in December of 2021 that was detailing the allegations against Araiza and the SDS football team. I wonder if that still exists and if the Bills knew about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Have we seen or heard from Kim since her medical situation? No and she shouldn't get dragged into this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree, but it's not easy to find an attorney who's adept at this sort of case. Do you hire a criminal defense lawyer, a civil litigator, or both? Not many lawyers are experienced at defending this sort of high profile criminal/civil matter and even some of the most renowned and experienced attorneys screw it up (see Rusty Hardin and Deshaun Watson). Very few defense lawyers are media-savvy...they mostly live by the credo of "not trying the case in the media", which is exactly what has to be done right now, IMO. you very clearly hire both a civil and criminal and let them handle their sides while sharing info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: No and she shouldn't get dragged into this I'm not saying she should be people are clamoring for her to say something in public but we still don't know what happened to her and how well she is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Araiza's attorney also told CBS San Diego that there was a Twitter page created in December of 2021 that was detailing the allegations against Araiza and the SDS football team. I wonder if that still exists and if the Bills knew about it? This whole thing is just terrible. I honestly dont think the Bills knew of this. Like they probably knew something happened but not how disgusting of a thing this really is. I can't imagine they would have kept this kid if they did know. Honestly I am surprised he is still on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, JimBob2232 said: I wish Kim pegula was healthy enough to make a statement here. Her voice is missed right now. Why, because she’s female? So what? 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 44 minutes ago, Chaos said: the right thing for Araiza to do is retire "to focus on defending my reputation to avoid being a distraction for the Bills" and unretire when he clears his name. He should do this before the Bills have to cut him and make any derogatory comments about him. This actually makes sense and I think could make all sides happy? He’s innocent, so he should be able to un-retire really quickly, right?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: This whole thing is just terrible. I honestly dont think the Bills knew of this. Like they probably knew something happened but not how disgusting of a thing this really is. I can't imagine they would have kept this kid if they did know. Honestly I am surprised he is still on the roster. If you think that highly of their judgement, you may pause to think they believe his involvement actually is at the lower end of the possibilities, and that they have access to more than you or I do. just another consideration of how you can frame things all sorts of ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: And yet we all just breeze over the fact it’s a ***** punter. Gimme a break. It’s an unproven punter at that. Guy has 1 punt to his name so far in the NFL and people act like cutting him right now will matter for our season. Edited August 27, 2022 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This whole thing is just terrible. I honestly dont think the Bills knew of this. Like they probably knew something happened but not how disgusting of a thing this really is. I can't imagine they would have kept this kid if they did know. Honestly I am surprised he is still on the roster. According to Tim Graham the Bills were not aware of the allegations at the time he was drafted. "A source with direct knowledge told The Athletic the Bills didn’t know about the allegations against Araiza until last month. They didn’t know when they took the San Diego State junior in the sixth round of April’s draft, but they were aware when they released incumbent punter Matt Haack on Monday." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 This team and community has really been through a lot this off-season and the season hasn’t even started. Buffalo shooting, Dawsons brother, Kim’s condition, now this. Have to wonder if it’s really wearing on mcd. He looked shot last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: It’s an unproven punter at that. Guy has 1 punt to his name so far in the NFL and people act like cutting him right now will matter for our season. I hardly see anybody saying that. People defend his presumption of innocence on a human level. Not seeing this groundswell of “we gotta keep him because he kicks the ball really far”. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Just had a random thought… If the Bills cut Araiza, there’s a good chance they could stash him on their practice squad until the details are fully vetted. I doubt another franchise would be willing to put him on their practice squad or active roster, given the horrible optics. If there’s a good enough chance that he DIDNT do this, that might be a preferable options vs keeping him on the active roster. If you’re going to cut him I don’t see the point of keeping him on the practice squad. He can just work out at home in that case and not be a distraction. Ideally there would be some means to put him on leave while this case takes its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, billieve420 said: According to Tim Graham the Bills were not aware of the allegations at the time he was drafted. "A source with direct knowledge told The Athletic the Bills didn’t know about the allegations against Araiza until last month. They didn’t know when they took the San Diego State junior in the sixth round of April’s draft, but they were aware when they released incumbent punter Matt Haack on Monday." That's significantly more dissapointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Why is beane not speaking today? Thought for sure Sean wouldn’t be left out to dry himself again today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, BillsSbSoon said: Why is beane not speaking today? Thought for sure Sean wouldn’t be left out to dry himself again today Maybe he wants to be the face on this subject. Mcdermott is used to high pressure questioning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Airseven said: Why, because she’s female? So what? Because she owns the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, stevestojan said: This actually makes sense and I think could make all sides happy? He’s innocent, so he should be able to un-retire really quickly, right?? I don’t pretend to have answers, only questions. I have to wonder if he needs to collect paychecks for his legal defense? This just sucks in so many ways, especially for the victim(s). Watching the Barkley press conference shows how awkward it is for the rest of the team. I do not envy Beane and McD in dealing with this, but I’m betting they take the best path available, whatever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Exactly. And I don't think you can discount the possibility that this is a cash grab from Matt Araiza's attorney. He warned the lawyer for the victim not to keep calling the Bills bc he could get cut and then their would be no money to get. But that's also true for him, which means it was in his best interest to make the Bills believe there was nothing to the story so that he can get paid. Her lawyer warned him of that because he was using the opportunity to prevent the civil suit as leverage to both get a settlement and the most from it. Here is what I find interesting...why is her attorney ONLY attacking Matt and his attorney? Where are all the public attacks aimed at the other men who allegedly were the ones physically hurting her and gang raping her? Why isn't he in going after any of them who may have had a bigger role, or even the only roles in this...yet nothing. Answer: They can't pay his client, or himself, any money. So, not one word about them from him. On the other side...Matt's attorney is clearly quick to the cameras and seems to be wanting the publicity. Neither of these guys are doing much for the overall image of lawyers/attorneys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: Maybe he wants to be the face on this subject. Mcdermott is used to high pressure questioning. McD is the probably the most disciplined person I've ever seen giving interviews to the NFL press -- GM, head coach or otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: What's fair is the truth. You don't have it yet. I don't have it yet. The Bills/employer doesn't have it yet. Araiza may not even have it, to be honest. I 100% hope he remains on the team until if or when criminally convicted. So, multiple years from now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Her lawyer warned him of that because he was using the opportunity to prevent the civil suit as leverage to both get a settlement and the most from it. Here is what I find interesting...why is her attorney ONLY attacking Matt and his attorney? Where are all the public attacks aimed at the other men who allegedly were the ones physically hurting her and gang raping her? Why isn't he in going after any of them who may have had a bigger role, or even the only roles in this...yet nothing. Answer: They can't pay his client, or himself, any money. So, not one word about them from him. On the other side...Matt's attorney is clearly quick to the cameras and seems to be wanting the publicity. Neither of these guys are doing much for the overall image of lawyers/attorneys. No doubt. They both seem like small timers who somehow caught a national case and are just puking all over themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, BullBuchanan said: So, multiple years from now? If that's what it takes, 100% yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Boyst62 said: If that's what it takes, 100% yes. disgusting. absolutely disgusting. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Boyst62 said: If that's what it takes, 100% yes. You want him on the team until then? That's just not tenable. It's goes back to the "we don't live in a vacuum" thing. We can cut him, try to find an exemption like the commissioner's list, he can retire, but I don't see how in the world he can be a member of our normal roster or practice squad given the allegations (unless some massive piece of exonerating evidence emerges virtually immediately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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