John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Don’t rush to judgment on us what the fax play out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, StHustle said: Hate stuff like this. If he were a regular joe blow making minimum wage, would there be a lawsuit at all? The timing highly questionable with it coming right after he secured an nfl career (when Haack was cut). Not enough for him to be arrested even when investigators heard him say he had sex with her…yet now it’s a money grab thing. Again if he was working at 7/11, there is no lawsuit and his reputation remains in tact. She went to the cops a day later when he was in college. This is a bad take. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: If she was 17, and he was 22, it is felony statutory rape. Consent does not apply. He was 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) The article says the two other named suspects have attorney's. Araiza must also have one. At least you would think so. How could the Bills not know about this? Edited August 26, 2022 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I wonder if other teams knew of this and did not draft him. His lawyer says Ariaza is targeted because he is a Buffalo Bill, not a doubt in his mind....yet the other accsued on nobody's on the team still...nice try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: We have more attorneys then Morgan and Morgan on this board Cellino and Barnes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Beast said: She named three people. It is alleged five raped her. Ever stop to think the police are attempting to identify those other two males? You don't want to put tis girl through multiple trials if true. Yeah, that's not how it works. The 3 known people would have been arrested and charged. No way that they wouldn't squeal on the other two people, either out of just being an idiot and talking to the cops, or as part of some deal offering. They don't just wait for every single person to be ID'd before doing anything at all, especially in a gang rape case which could potentially be charged as a capital crime (unlikely but possible). But I will say yes, you could be right. Not really saying you're not, just that with my time in the CJ world, that's been my experience with how things usually develop. Either way, awful as hell all around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Araiza’s Defense Attorney claims to have witnesses saying something different. If it is open and shut you have to wonder why we’re ten months in without criminal proceedings commencing and that’s something which will surely turn the heat up under the state department and the college in particular. Again so everyone understands and not just you it takes an insanely long time to build a criminal rape case and they are very very hard to prosecute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 This is tough. He's going to be a great player. That means you need to be sure you're making the right roster move. Let's not lose sight of what actually matters. The truth. If the Bills truly believe this is a money grab, then the right thing to do is stand by him. If they truly believe he did it, or there's shadiness around his story, then the right move is to cut him. McDermott is a man of God. If they stick by Araiza now, then I truly believe they feel he is innocent. We're not the Browns or Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: We have more attorneys then Morgan and Morgan on this board Lawyers, guns and money! I'm a little short. You got your wallet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: He was 21. Still a felony. If he had been up to three years older, it would be misdemeanor statutory rape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This stuff happens at probably every high school and college house party ever. Jesus, WTF are you getting at? IF the allegation is true, would it somehow make it better if it's common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Matt_In_NH said: I wonder if other teams knew of this and did not draft him. His lawyer says Ariaza is targeted because he is a Buffalo Bill, not a doubt in his mind....yet the other accsued on nobody's on the team still...nice try Araiza was talked about like the best punter ever. There were talks of him going in as high as the 2nd round. He was then the 3rd punter off the board. No doubt in my mind teams knew about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I mean the guy knew he had an std and still didn’t put on a rubber? Does he have aids? Monkey pox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 *****!! *****!!! ***** it!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Now you’re making an assumption he just has sex with any girl no matter age like a predator. It can be reasonably assumed if you’re at a college party you’re a student at that school. Sort of like if you take a girl home from a bar you’re assuming she’s 21. Not saying that made him "a predator" (wtf? ). Saying most college guys wouldn't car if they knew she was a high school student. Settle down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Silver lining in all of this, though (as bad as it is), if there had to be a player on the team accused of rape, thank God it was the punter, of all positions… Fingers crossed it’s not true though… Yep. Cut him if you must, then just sign another punter, there should be plenty of candidates on the waiver wire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, jkirchofer said: You could read any of the articles on the accusations. I did. So why no criminal case ten months later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Not buying it for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Fortunately several punters will be available shortly, but no thunderfoots . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: Yeah, that's not how it works. The 3 known people would have been arrested and charged. No way that they wouldn't squeal on the other two people, either out of just being an idiot and talking to the cops, or as part of some deal offering. They don't just wait for every single person to be ID'd before doing anything at all, especially in a gang rape case which could potentially be charged as a capital crime (unlikely but possible). But I will say yes, you could be right. Not really saying you're not, just that with my time in the CJ world, that's been my experience with how things usually develop. Either way, awful as hell all around. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that a thorough investigation would not be conducted. Thanks for telling me. I'll go back to the District Attorney's Special Victim's Unit where I work at tomorrow and let them know we are doing it all wrong. It's nice to know that a direct Grand Jury presentation is not a smart option. LOL Edited August 26, 2022 by Beast 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, wppete said: This is crazy. If he did it then then cut him right away…. But the NFL has cornered themselves now with how they handled Deshaun Watson multiple cases. 8 games for deshaun means max 1 game for Araiza….. insane According to the plaintiff, she was *drugged, raped and mutilated. These 2 cases are not the same. Edited August 26, 2022 by Chicken Boo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: I mean the guy knew he had an std and still didn’t put on a rubber? Does he have aids? Monkey pox? Fairly confident this is a crime in itself. If the phone call of him is what it sounds like, he's toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: Sure, but it's out of the ordinary for a civil suit to be served before charges have been filed. You're a hell of a lot more likely to win a civil suit if you've got a guilty verdict from the criminal case to back you up. Either way, I'm inclined to believe the victim, but maybe we'll be surprised. I never thought i'd be as excited about a punter as I've been with this guy, so this blows. Time to give Moorman some stem cell injections I guess. She's been waiting a long time for the criminal case to move forward. It's a tactic to put the case out there since everyone else have been dragging their feet, most obviously the school. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Beast said: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that a thorough investigation would not be conducted. Thanks for telling me. I'll go back to the District Attorney's Special Victim's Unit where I work at tomorrow and let them know we are doing it all wrong. Not what I said, but okay. You do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Still a felony. If he had been up to three years older, it would be misdemeanor statutory rape. We have one lawyer being interview by Cali news saying 3 years. We have a law firm (I linked upthread) saying no fixed rule, but under 16 and over 21 tends to be charged as a felony. Here's another Quote As previously stated, California Penal Code 261.5 PC is a wobbler. That means it may be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony.14 There are three circumstances that determine how the offense will be charged and what the potential penalties are: If you are no more than three (3) years older than the alleged victim, violating PC 261.5 is always a misdemeanor.15 If you are more than three (3) years older than the alleged victim, the offense may be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony.16 AND If you are twenty-one (21) or older and the alleged victim is under sixteen (16) at the time the intercourse occurs, you also face either a misdemeanor or a felony…but the potential felony penalties are steeper than in the situation described in #2, above.17 He was over 21, she was 17. So it sounds as though it could go either way. Edited August 26, 2022 by Beck Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: Fairly confident this is a crime in itself. If the phone call of him is what it sounds like, he's toast. It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: Fairly confident this is a crime in itself. If the phone call of him is what it sounds like, he's toast. Shouldn't they have arrested him after that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Beast said: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that a thorough investigation would not be conducted. Thanks for telling me. I'll go back to the District Attorney's Special Victim's Unit where I work at tomorrow and let them know we are doing it all wrong. Woah woah woah! Can you tell us what Dick Wolf is like? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Again so everyone understands and not just you it takes an insanely long time to build a criminal rape case and they are very very hard to prosecute For most I agree - but I would have thought a supposed ‘open and shut’ case (to use the phrase used previously) would go through quicker? Certainly the alleged victim and her father expected resolution before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Lost said: Prediction: Bills cut Araiza by 12:00pm tomorrow. He signs with the Browns by Monday Bojo is on the Browns. He was the first guy I thought of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 The story is too big now. Not sure the Bills will have a choice in the matter but to release him, due process or not. Public pressure and media pressure will be intense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: I did. So why no criminal case ten months later? They just turned it in to the DA and I will say this again, lab work is very slow and I'd imagine the state of the world the last 2 years has not helped that backlog Edited August 26, 2022 by That's No Moon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Shouldn't they have arrested him after that then? Nah. There is a question of force that would up the ante significantly. He could plea guilty to statutory and you wouldn't be able to charge him again for the same incident. Dotting i's and crossing t's. Plus, you want to put the victim through the least amount of proceedings as possible. I'd be willing to bet this will be put in front of a Grand Jury relatively soon. Edited August 26, 2022 by Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: We have one lawyer being interview by Cali news saying 3 years. We have a law firm (I linked upthread) saying no fixed rule, but under 16 and over 21 tends to be charged as a felony. Here's another He was over 21, she was 17. Not being a lawyer myself I would say the situation is a "wobble" and not so cut and dried, or there wouldn't be differing info on the subject Here's the statute: https://www.cwsdefense.com/blog/2020/june/exceptions-to-californias-statutory-rape-laws/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: I mean the guy knew he had an std and still didn’t put on a rubber? Does he have aids? Monkey pox? Or could be that he was aware that she had sex with numerous people (in his mind, either with consent or aware than she was raped) so advised her to be checked, rather than meaning he had a STD himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Lawyers, guns and money! I'm a little short. You got your wallet? you guys got money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Beast said: I didn't know Matt Araiza posted here. Really not approp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 The phone call info is pretty damning......I am not sure this guy will be a Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I will wait for the full story before I react or form some sort of judgement. Clearly, if he is guilty of this, he is done and should be done and face criminal charges. But as bad as it looks on the preliminary story, there is still the fact it didn't come out sooner, the Bills may have had prior knowledge and did their own research, and there is not yet a criminal charge...so let's see how this plays out before we decide the outcome. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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