Bills disappointed in Elam's potential to contribute this year? (unfounded internet rumor)

[H2o]

31 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

More like Leodis McKelvin

[LeGOATski]

14 minutes ago, H2o said:

What, he was a fine corner.

[davefan66]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with most Elite CBs in the NFL throughout history 

No problem, just discussing what I saw. He will be good. Like a lot if rookies, he has some stuff to work on.

 

What does worry me is an offense like the Rams will take advantage any defensive weakness they see.  If he is a starter day one, I’m sure he will get safety help or whatever they need to do.  This is a top defense so we should be fine.
 

I loved how quick he is, seemed effortless to get in position and did a good job of being with the receiver.

[BillsPride12]

20 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I heard Tre White won't be ready until week 2 or 3 at this rate. So yes, Elam might be starting but it won't be because he's ready. Dane Jackson has been getting torched on the daily in camp and he's currently our #1 corner. Yikes

Were you at the wedding too?

[ToGoGo]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

More like Leodis McKelvin

 

I see the physical comp for sure. But I think Elam has more going on upstairs. Also better mindset. 

[KDIGGZ]

45 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Were you at the wedding too?

I was the DJ but I heard the caterer got all the juicy info

[Luka]

Elam looked great to me. His natural ability is not something you can coach. As a Gator fan, I can tell you he comes from one of the worst defensive coaching staffs in all of college football and achieved on natural ability alone. If coach can mold him, he will be a great one in the NFL. 

[Floydboy12]

Elam wasn’t that good in college. I wasn’t a fan of drafting him. However he came to the coaching staff I have complete confidence in coaching up secondary guys. And he has the measurables that the staff seems to like. 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Floydboy12

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 hours ago, Einstein said:

Tough to trust random people on the internet but I found this story from a fan potentially concerning. The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, so I'm hoping he wouldn't just make this up.

Lesson #1 

NEVER TRUST RAMDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET 

 

 

I mean come on. 
 

I called out Dunkirk Don early and and people did not like me for it. 
 

Today. We all know that the legend of Dunkirk Don will love on forever in infamy. 

Edited August 14, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

The man looked pretty darn good yesterday 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lesson #1 

NEVER TRUST RAMDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET 

 

 

I mean come on. 
 

I called out Dunkirk Don early and and people did not like me for it. 
 

Today. We all know that the legend of Dunkirk Don will love on forever in infamy. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

I see the physical comp for sure. But I think Elam has more going on upstairs. Also better mindset. 

What.

 

Leodis had an all time mindset. “We gon beat that ass, point blank. Period.”

 

True DAWG.

[Buffalosouth]

What a horrible pick. Wtf were they thinking drafting a high end SEC corner with family legacy in the league who brought notes to his team interviews to discuss football. He is going to be out of the league by time the 53 man rolls around. If he manages to stay on the roster we are going to lose every game because of him. If that happens maybe when Tre gets back and he moves to CB2 and loses to all the number 2 relievers we can finally be rid of him. Good job Beane. I miss Whaley...

[BigDingus]

 

I don't understand why are so many fans get bent out of shape over the mere suggestion Elam may not be as far along in his development at this stage as we may have wished...

 

So what? I haven't seen anybody saying "he has no potential!" or  "he's a bust," only that adjusting to this new system may take time. Again, so what? No need for people to act like anyone even mentioning this is a hater or wishing failure upon Elam. Just look at 1st rd CB's from the last several drafts:

 

2021: 

Jaycee Horn, Panthers - Day 1 starter (injured in week 3, IR for season)

Patrick Surtain II, Broncos - Ronald Darby's Backup (replaced him in week 2 as starter when Darby got injured)

Caleb Farley, Titans - Backup (injured in week 6, IR for season)

Greg Newsome II, Browns - Day 1 starter

Eric Stokes, Packers - Backup (became starter from week 5 onward)

 

2020:

Jeff Okudah, Lions - Injured, started week 2 before placed on IR end of season (then injured in 2021 home opener & IR'd again)

CJ Henderson, Jaguars - Day 1 starter (struggled with injuries & traded to Panthers early in 2021 season)

AJ Terrell, Falcons - COVID list until week 3, started 14 games

Damon Arnette, Raiders - Day 1 starter (then out of the league after 2 years of legal troubles & injuries)

Noah Igbinoghene, Dolphins - Backup (played all 16 games but only started 2)

Jeff Gladney, Vikings - Starter from week 2 onwards

 

2019: 

Deandre Baker, Giants - Day 1 starter (waived start of next season due to arrest, out of the league)

 

2018:

Denzel Ward, Browns - Day 1 starter (All-Rookie team, Pro Bowler 2018 & 2021)

Jaire Alexander, Packers - Backup (started 11 games, Pro Bowler in 2020)

Mike Hughes, Vikings - Backup (started 2 games, bounced between 3 teams since)

 

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Out of all the CB's taken in round 1, only 6 have started week 1, and you have to go back to Josh Allen's rookie season to find a single one of them that even made a Pro Bowl. 

 

On top of that, 2 of the 6 guys who started are out of the league (Deandre Baker & Damon Arnette), and 2 haven't done much due to injuries (CJ Henderson & Jaycee Horn). Only Denzel Ward (2018) & Greg Newsome II (2021) were week 1 starters & still starting going into the following year. 

 

Most had to takeover starting spots either through competition or replacement due to injury. Others saw play time but couldn't usurp the CBs ahead of them (like Igbinoghene for Miami). 

 

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TL;DR - Elam not just tearing it up in camp or dominating NFL WR's out the gate is OK. If he's not a week 1 starter, it's OK! If he struggles as a rookie, it's OK! He will have plenty of time to adjust & can be great anyway. 👍

[Doc]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lesson #1 

NEVER TRUST RAMDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET

 

 

Or at weddings, apparently. 

[TPS]

Baldy liked what he saw:

 

 

[H2o]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

What, he was a fine corner.

McKelvin was gifted athletically, but he had terrible ball skills and never lived up to his potential. I'm hoping for more than that from Elam. 

[BringBackFlutie]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Do people think that he plays a lot like a young Stephon Gilmore what do you think

 

6 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Needs ti improve his run support, you can't just stand there while the rest of the Bills make the tackle.

 

So... yes.

[JoPoy88]

45 minutes ago, TPS said:

Baldy liked what he saw:

 

 

Excellent stuff from Baldy as always.

[DieHardBillsFan]

He looked pretty bad when that TE dropped him to the floor and the go ahead TD was caught. Oh wait, he couldn't do anything about that.

[Xwnyer]

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lesson #1 

NEVER TRUST RAMDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET 

 

 

I mean come on. 
 

I called out Dunkirk Don early and and people did not like me for it. 
 

Today. We all know that the legend of Dunkirk Don will love on forever in infamy. 

Dunkirk Don a classic

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

I don't understand why are so many fans get bent out of shape over the mere suggestion Elam may not be as far along in his development at this stage as we may have wished...

 

We live in a world of black and white. Grey is not allowed to exist.

[That's No Moon]

56 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

We live in a world of black and white. Grey is not allowed to exist.

Agreed. People have no capacity for nuance. They must be correct and everyone else who disagrees even a little must be wrong. Their egos can't handle the challenge

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

Agreed. People have no capacity for nuance. They must be correct and everyone else who disagrees even a little must be wrong. Their egos can't handle the challenge

You're dead wrong. 

[3rdnlng]

On 8/13/2022 at 12:08 PM, Einstein said:

 

Eh, I dont know about that. Reporters with that close access to the players hear things for sure.

 

Sal Capaccaio has said on numerous occasions that he has information that he cant/wont release because he doesnt want to break his close ties tot he organizaiton.

Did he say "trust me" after saying that?

[Scott7975]

51 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

You're dead wrong. 

 

Damn, beat me to it.

[3rdnlng]

On 8/13/2022 at 12:45 PM, Ya Digg? said:

What are we doing here? Most of his reps have been against arguably the top passing duo in the league-the duo that has done really well against the top corners in the league the past 2 years. Not only that, but Josh isn’t allowed to get hit and in some circumstances there’s not even a rush against him! But we are supposed to expect a rookie cb to be playing lights out every snap in training camp??

 

Again, what are we doing here?

Elam has been up against Diggs in practice. You know the wr who continually beats JC Jackson, a pro bowl corner. Battling with Diggs everyday will make Elam better 

[3rdnlng]

On 8/13/2022 at 1:22 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Because not doing something in college does not mean he is unable to do it, simply that he wasn't asked to do it.

 

Huge difference. Scheme fit issue would be if they are asking him to do something he is not capable of doing well. Like put a 3-4DE in a 4-3 and expect great sack numbers.

 

If they feel he has the skills that would allow him to learn it and do it well then why wouldn't you draft him? Especially with how the Bills track record is with exceptional DB play from coaching them up.

Think back to when the Bills drafted Bruce Smith. While he holds the all time sack record he was more suited to play in a 4-3 than the Bill's 3-4. In either scheme he was going to end up the tallest midget. He had the talent to do both. From his college days it's apparent Elam can play press. My guess that in order to play off he just needs to become a little more instinctive. Takes time to know when to move up and make a play rather than just staying in someone's pocket. 

[Buffalosouth]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

McKelvin was gifted athletically, but he had terrible ball skills and never lived up to his potential. I'm hoping for more than that from Elam. 

 

McKelvin was super gifted as an athlete and just as terrible on the mic.

[3rdnlng]

On 8/13/2022 at 3:11 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

Well it is pretty sad that a first round pick needs to wear oven mitts to keep him from grabbing WRs. Flag or burnt toast isn’t a good look. Hope he improves. 

That is a fairly standard practice. 

On 8/13/2022 at 3:14 PM, Airseven said:

The “somebody told me” thing is silly, but these are still facts - Elam Allen was inconsistent in college with raw, undeveloped technique. Plenty of observers weren’t thrilled with the pick. As expected, he’s struggled early in camp. He is not, and never was, dependable as an immediate starter as a rookie.

FIFY

[3rdnlng]

On 8/13/2022 at 3:48 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

He's a rookie. He may go on one day to be the next Dion Sanders but it wouldn’t be unusual for him to struggle his rookie season.

 

These things take time.

 

Patience Bills fans !!!

 

You mean he won't tackle anyone?

On 8/13/2022 at 4:22 PM, NewEra said:

I want him to be good cause he’s a bill too. It’s one play and we’re engaging in ball busting and sarcasm on a message board. Imagine that

Be careful about that ball busting. It might deflate the balls to the way Marcia likes them.

[H2o]

Wait a minute.......... Does TSW have a new "whipping boy" now? 🤔 Somewhere, Tremaine Edmunds is rejoicing 

[Behindenemylines]

3 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

You're dead wrong. 

I highly disagree 

Just now, Behindenemylines said:

I highly disagree 😂

 

[wppete]

He looked good to me out there yesterday against Indy, good first game. Although I get a hint of arrogance in him which is not good. Stay humble and put your head down and work because Benford looks legit and can easily beat him out. 

[34-78-83]

On 8/13/2022 at 12:39 PM, Einstein said:

 

When did Sal get hired by the Bills? That’s news to me.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sal-capaccio-buffalo-bills-beat-sideline-reporter/id1521071522?i=1000504583543

[John from Riverside]

15 hours ago, Floydboy12 said:

Elam wasn’t that good in college. I wasn’t a fan of drafting him. However he came to the coaching staff I have complete confidence in coaching up secondary guys. And he has the measurables that the staff seems to like. 

I’m not quite sure where this is coming from he had a down year last year but the previous one was a very good one he has faced a lot of the wide receivers they got drafted high in the/draft and he did well against them

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, wppete said:

He looked good to me out there yesterday against Indy, good first game. Although I get a hint of arrogance in him which is not good. Stay humble and put your head down and work because Benford looks legit and can easily beat him out. 

It honestly would not shock me to see them both make it which means that we’re gonna end up moving on from guys like Cam Lewis Who is gonna get scooped up so quick by the Giants

[strive_for_five_guy]

9 hours ago, H2o said:

Wait a minute.......... Does TSW have a new "whipping boy" now? 🤔 Somewhere, Tremaine Edmunds is rejoicing 

There’s always a whipping boy until the next one comes along.  People

need something to complain about.

[BobbyC81]

On 8/13/2022 at 9:08 AM, Einstein said:

 

Eh, I dont know about that. Reporters with that close access to the players hear things for sure.

 

Sal Capaccaio has said on numerous occasions that he has information that he cant/wont release because he doesnt want to break his close ties tot he organizaiton.

Don’t forget that agents supposedly find out everything.

[RunTheBall]

8 hours ago, wppete said:

He looked good to me out there yesterday against Indy, good first game. Although I get a hint of arrogance in him which is not good. Stay humble and put your head down and work because Benford looks legit and can easily beat him out. 

What exactly gives you that “hint of arrogance”? The little I’ve seen on him he comes across as a humble mature professional. Just curious.