Video: Bills Sights & Sounds from OTAs

[BillsFanForever19]

 

Couple quick little notes from this clip:

 

- Found it interesting that they showed a quick run through of a line that featured Von Miller and Greg Rousseau on the Edges and Ed Oliver and Jordan Phillips in the middle. Could Phillips be getting a look at not only 1T, but starting 1T?

 

- Really cool to see Von showing Rousseau pointers already.

 

- It seems that Carlos Basham Jr. has switched to Jerry Hughes old number of #55.

[Warcodered]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

- It seems that Carlos Basham Jr. has switched to Jerry Hughes old number of #55.

They were apparently calling him Jerry to razz him.

[Chandler#81]

Encouraging. All around.

[MJS]

40 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

- Found it interesting that they showed a quick run through of a line that featured Von Miller and Greg Rousseau on the Edges and Ed Oliver and Jordan Phillips in the middle. Could Phillips be getting a look at not only 1T, but starting 1T?

That could be specifically a pass rushing set. Those four would be a terror together.

 

I doubt that is the normal starting four.

[T master]

It's great to see Miller teaching the younger guys I think this D will be more number 1 then last years D & the offense will take another step which well i'll just have to wait & see the out come but i'm hyped to see just what this season will bring !! 

[Long Suffering Fan]

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

[Mango]

Ken Dorsey looks like he’s about to wander into his corner bodega and pick up a couple loosies. 

[BillsFan4]

I almost thought Brian a Daboll was there for a second when I saw that bald dude walk in front of Ken Dorsey (around 1:53) 😂

[Shaw66]

25 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

I had a similar reaction.  He's not very big.  But some of that impression is that several of the shots of Miller had him standing next to Oliver and Rousseau.  Rousseau is SO long; if he can learn how to attack from Miller, he'll be a terror.   I'm not expecting that - if he evolves into a great player, he'll be great because of who he is more than because of what Miller might teach him.  But maybe I'm wrong.

 

More important to me is how lean these guys are.  McDermott wants athletes who are difficult to keep up with because of their mobility, rather than athletes who are difficult to move because of their size. 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

1 hour ago, T master said:

It's great to see Miller teaching the younger guys I think this D will be more number 1 then last years D & the offense will take another step which well i'll just have to wait & see the out come but i'm hyped to see just what this season will bring !! 

 

I got this feeling about the additions of Settle and Jones on the DL.  Sneaky-type upgrades at their positions that I think can really, with Von Miller of course, push the rest of this line across that domination point. 

[RocCityRoller]

Forgot about Joe Giles-Harris (LB #42). He had a really good pre-season last year. All over the field and camp making plays.

 

Giles-Harris and Nick McCoud (CB) stood out to me the most in camp last year. Will be keeping an eye on both.

 

Good to see Rousseau and Von Miller talking technique already. Basham looks more fit too. For his limited snaps last year, Basham was very efficient. If his conditioning is better he should see many more snaps with Addison and Hughes gone.

[Captain_Quint]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

That could be specifically a pass rushing set. Those four would be a terror together.

 

I doubt that is the normal starting four.

That's my thought too. From what I remember about Jordan, he was easily pushed off the spot when playing 1T. Can't see us staying with him in Stars old role. I think Settle or Jones is a better fit in run situations. 

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

 

Just goes to show how HUGE Groot is!!  If and this is a BIG IF he can put it all together he is going to be a STUD!

[TampaBillsJunkie]

2 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

I was looking thinking GRoot looks like Von's daddy. If Von can help teach up this kid, he is going to be dangerous for years to come. 

[jletha]

 

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

Miller is not a big guy compared to other DE's in this league.

 

Neither is Aaron Donald, there are quite a few players that are bigger than him. It's all about the skill set and the athletic traits, that separate these guys from other players.

[msw2112]

5 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

Am I the only one that was a little surprised that Von looked small compared to the rest of the dline?  In all the videos I have seen of him in free agency, etc. the guy looks huge.  Put him next to the rest of our dline and suddenly he looks on the smaller side.  I get that at edge you often play at a lower weight, but it still took me off guard.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way.  I am super stoked that he is on the team and excited to have him.  The guy is a hall of famer.  I guess this just meant that he plays way above his size or that the rest of our dline is abnormally large.

 

I remember thinking, at the time Miller came out of college and was a draft target of the Bills, that he was too small, so I was hoping the Bills would end up with Marcel Dareus from Alabama who had a more "NFL-caliber" physique.  That shows you how good my personnel evaluation skills are...I also liked the "most NFL-ready" QB Josh Rosen.

 

In the years since then, I had forgotten how small Miller was as his HOF career has progressed.  Having seen that video yesterday I again remembered that he's not a very big dude.  I think I'm OK with that now.

[BADOLBILZ]

17 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Couple quick little notes from this clip:

 

- Found it interesting that they showed a quick run through of a line that featured Von Miller and Greg Rousseau on the Edges and Ed Oliver and Jordan Phillips in the middle. Could Phillips be getting a look at not only 1T, but starting 1T?

 

- Really cool to see Von showing Rousseau pointers already.

 

- It seems that Carlos Basham Jr. has switched to Jerry Hughes old number of #55.

 

 

They run some fronts with 2 DT's lined up as 3T's and no 1T.    I don't see Phillips playing any 1T unless there are injuries.   He was projected as a potentially elite NT with little pass rush ability coming out of Oklahoma but they found out that he plays too tall to tie up blockers and is best suited to shooting gaps.........the exact opposite of his projection.........which may well be what happens with the much hyped Georgia rookie DT Jordan Davis in the NFL as well, IMO.   If you can't get low you can't be a good 1T or NT at the NFL level.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

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Edited May 25, 2022 by PrimeTime101

[Paup 1995MVP]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They run some fronts with 2 DT's lined up as 3T's and no 1T.    I don't see Phillips playing any 1T unless there are injuries.   He was projected as a potentially elite NT with little pass rush ability coming out of Oklahoma but they found out that he plays too tall to tie up blockers and is best suited to shooting gaps.........the exact opposite of his projection.........which may well be what happens with the much hyped Georgia rookie DT Jordan Davis in the NFL as well, IMO.   If you can't get low you can't be a good 1T or NT at the NFL level.

 

 

Leverage is everything on the Lines.  But our DT rotation of Phillips, Oliver, Settle and Jones (with say Ankou in reserve if one gets injured) should be as solid as any we have had in a long while 1-4.  And in the upper echelon in the entire league this year.

 

Just watching the guys back on the field is exciting.  Allen, Diggs, Miller, Rousseau, Milano, etc.  We have a hell of a roster top to bottom.  It is going to be an exciting year.  Can not wait!!  Go Bills.

[Alphadawg7]

On 5/25/2022 at 7:57 AM, Shaw66 said:

I had a similar reaction.  He's not very big.  But some of that impression is that several of the shots of Miller had him standing next to Oliver and Rousseau.  Rousseau is SO long; if he can learn how to attack from Miller, he'll be a terror.   I'm not expecting that - if he evolves into a great player, he'll be great because of who he is more than because of what Miller might teach him.  But maybe I'm wrong.

 

More important to me is how lean these guys are.  McDermott wants athletes who are difficult to keep up with because of their mobility, rather than athletes who are difficult to move because of their size. 

I’ve met Von Miller in person.  I’m 6’4” and can tell you he felt big to me in person.  So I think it’s more the guys he’s next to are just big making him look smaller.  

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve met Von Miller in person.  I’m 6’4” and can tell you he felt big to me in person.  So I think it’s more the guys he’s next to are just big making him look smaller.  

 

And Von Miller is small for a DE. He's played edge primarily as an OLB his entire career. 

 

As much as we've talked about 4-3 sets with Bernard, I could see Von playing OLB on the line rushing off the edge in 2wr sets and goal line formation in addition to having two DE's on the field. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Leverage is everything on the Lines.  But our DT rotation of Phillips, Oliver, Settle and Jones (with say Ankou in reserve if one gets injured) should be as solid as any we have had in a long while 1-4.  And in the upper echelon in the entire league this year.

 

Just watching the guys back on the field is exciting.  Allen, Diggs, Miller, Rousseau, Milano, etc.  We have a hell of a roster top to bottom.  It is going to be an exciting year.  Can not wait!!  Go Bills.

 

 

Yeah I think we have to adjust expectations somewhat relative to the rest of the league.   Run stopping isn't a top priority so run stuffers are devalued and don't get paid much so there aren't going to be a lot of dominant one's.   Ted Washington's or even Snacks Harrison's aren't out there anymore.   Jones and Settle might be a really strong 1 tech combo by current league standards.

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve met Von Miller in person.  I’m 6’4” and can tell you he felt big to me in person.  So I think it’s more the guys he’s next to are just big making him look smaller.  

Thanks.  I needed that touch of reality.  What was I thinking?

 

Still, he looked slim to me.  

 

In the 60s, some of these guys would put 30 pounds on in the off season, then spend weeks at camp sweating it off again.  Those days are gone.  These guys super fit when they show up for OTAs.  

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

As much as we've talked about 4-3 sets with Bernard, I could see Von playing OLB on the line rushing off the edge in 2wr sets and goal line formation in addition to having two DE's on the field. 

That's interesting.  Two DEs and Von on the field at one time.  And sometimes, Rousseau will drop back into the shallow zones.  

 

Versatility, boys, that's what they're after. 

[Big Turk]

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

You know the thing I love most about this is that Ed Oliver is willing to try and prank Stefon Diggs. I think that is a small but important insight into a young man whose confidence is now at that "I belong" level. He sees himself as one of the most important pieces on this team. I really think he is going to have a monster year. 

[wppete]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You know the thing I love most about this is that Ed Oliver is willing to try and prank Stefon Diggs. I think that is a small but important insight into a young man whose confidence is now at that "I belong" level. He sees himself as one of the most important pieces on this team. I really think he is going to have a monster year. 

Yeah Big Ed is a huge part of this team. That power, speed, quickness, aggressiveness and motor is unmatched. He’s going to have a massive season. 

[Putin]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You know the thing I love most about this is that Ed Oliver is willing to try and prank Stefon Diggs. I think that is a small but important insight into a young man whose confidence is now at that "I belong" level. He sees himself as one of the most important pieces on this team. I really think he is going to have a monster year. 

He’s also BIG enough to fold Diggs into a pretzel 🥨, now I’m hungry 😋 

[Rocky Landing]

It's a petty gripe, but I don't like the new numbers with so many being single digits for so many different positions.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

On 5/26/2022 at 2:40 PM, Motorin' said:

 

And Von Miller is small for a DE. He's played edge primarily as an OLB his entire career. 

 

As much as we've talked about 4-3 sets with Bernard, I could see Von playing OLB on the line rushing off the edge in 2wr sets and goal line formation in addition to having two DE's on the field. 

Doubtful, Von doesn’t have much success in coverage. You line him up at LB you basically have 5 DL rushing the QB, putting extra stress on Milano and Edmunds. Lorenzo Alexander was able to figure it out, and Von definitely could too, but for now I think the better assumption is he is full time DE. 6’4’’ 250 isn’t awful, Jerry Hughes was smaller. 

[Motorin']

32 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Doubtful, Von doesn’t have much success in coverage. You line him up at LB you basically have 5 DL rushing the QB, putting extra stress on Milano and Edmunds. Lorenzo Alexander was able to figure it out, and Von definitely could too, but for now I think the better assumption is he is full time DE. 6’4’’ 250 isn’t awful, Jerry Hughes was smaller. 

 

He is listed as a LB on the bills website, and he's been a LB he's whole career. So I guess we'll see.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

He is listed as a LB on the bills website, and he's been a LB he's whole career. So I guess we'll see.

True, but from the little evidence we have from OTAs, it looks like he’s been running with the DL. Typically 3-4 OLBs are 4-3 DEs, but Von does have the size and athleticism required for 43 LB, he’d be a mean SAM. 

Edited May 31, 2022 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Big Turk]

On 5/25/2022 at 3:10 PM, Mark Vader said:

Miller is not a big guy compared to other DE's in this league.

 

Neither is Aaron Donald, there are quite a few players that are bigger than him. It's all about the skill set and the athletic traits, that separate these guys from other players.

 

Miller has been said to almost defy gravity with how low he can bend to get around the OT at full speed.

 

Donald has it all...power, speed, quickness...

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

9 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

He is listed as a LB on the bills website, and he's been a LB he's whole career. So I guess we'll see.

 

As silly as it sounds, Sal C has said he's listed as a LB so he can wear #40 (his college number). As a Defensive Lineman, you can only wear 50-79 or 90-99. If you've watched him (especially the past few years) - he doesn't line up anywhere else but the Edge.

 

He will not be playing Linebacker. Period. We don't run a 3-4 and even if we did, I don't see him rushing from that deep downfield at this stage in his career. 

[Putin]

On 5/25/2022 at 11:35 AM, Kwai San said:

 

Just goes to show how HUGE Groot is!!  If and this is a BIG IF he can put it all together he is going to be a STUD!

Why is it a BIG IF ?? 

[Motorin']

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As silly as it sounds, Sal C has said he's listed as a LB so he can wear #40 (his college number). As a Defensive Lineman, you can only wear 50-79 or 90-99. If you've watched him (especially the past few years) - he doesn't line up anywhere else but the Edge.

 

He will not be playing Linebacker. Period. We don't run a 3-4 and even if we did, I don't see him rushing from that deep downfield at this stage in his career. 

 

Yes, he's playing edge. What I'm saying is that he gives the D some flexibility to do different things. Imo, he's most effective rushing off the edge from the standing position. There were a number for times you'd see Addison rushing off the edge last season from the standing position, which left just 3 down lineman.

 

I'm hoping we'll try different alignments instead of rigidly adhering to nickel 4-3 on 95% of plays.

 

[Kwai San]

9 hours ago, Putin said:

Why is it a BIG IF ?? 

 

I like your optimism, love it in fact.  However NOTHING is guaranteed.  Not.  One.  Damn.  Thing.  I sure hope he is the real deal.....but we just do not know yet.  Do we?

[nucci]

On 5/26/2022 at 6:16 PM, Shaw66 said:

Thanks.  I needed that touch of reality.  What was I thinking?

 

Still, he looked slim to me.  

 

In the 60s, some of these guys would put 30 pounds on in the off season, then spend weeks at camp sweating it off again.  Those days are gone.  These guys super fit when they show up for OTAs.  

 

They don't have jobs in the offseason like the '60s

[Captain Hindsight]

On 5/30/2022 at 3:53 AM, Rocky Landing said:

It's a petty gripe, but I don't like the new numbers with so many being single digits for so many different positions.

I don't mind it for the most part, but eventually its going to be difficult for a QB or K/P to get a number in single digits/teens. Every number below 20 is taken

 

3 K/P

3 QBs

7 WRs

1 TE

1 S

1 CB

1 LB