aristocrat Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 That Allen contract looks better and better. 4 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 "They're sticking with that #######?" - Tom Brady somewhere 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Is he really a star QB? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Is he really a star QB? No, he’s an above average starter that you can win with …but won’t win “because of him” if things wilt around him Edited April 13, 2022 by YoloinOhio 4 1 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Is he really a star QB? A star? No. I do think he is underrated though. And as discussed multiple times.... the QB market is inefficiently recognising the difference between the franchise tier and the elite tier. It is what it is. Your alternative is don't have a QB. If this is a 3 year extension onto his final year of his previous deal then that makes it 4 years at $35m per year. I think that is right about where his value is in this market. 4 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 If Carr got that amount of jack, then we completely screwed Josh on his contract. What a steal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Is he really a star QB? Well he certainly is given how much he just got paid I think he is very good. He is not worth that much probably but I think if you have QB like him it is still better to overpay him then let him ho and hope that you will find a better one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Oooooffff. Good luck Vegas, middling team for life. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I’m a little surprised that high, but they need a QB. They weren’t going to draft one. He’s serviceable, but not worth that much. With their acquisitions this off season, they probably want continuity at QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Just now, GunnerBill said: A star? No. I do think he is underrated though. And as discussed multiple times.... the QB market is inefficiently recognising the difference between the franchise tier and the elite tier. It is what it is. Your alternative is don't have a QB. If this is a 3 year extension onto his final year of his previous deal then that makes it 4 years at $35m per year. I think that is right about where his value is in this market. He finally made the playoffs in year 8. Thea team couldn't run the ball very well at all so most of the offense ran through him. Adams, Renfrow, Waller - i think they're going to pass even more this year too. Jacobs and Drake probably get more involved in a mcdaniels offense. I think it'll look a bit like the chargers with all the short passes, and carr is equipped to do well in that style of offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 minute ago, dneveu said: He finally made the playoffs in year 8. Thea team couldn't run the ball very well at all so most of the offense ran through him. Adams, Renfrow, Waller - i think they're going to pass even more this year too. Jacobs and Drake probably get more involved in a mcdaniels offense. I think it'll look a bit like the chargers with all the short passes, and carr is equipped to do well in that style of offense. In fairness he made the playoffs earlier on too but then broke his ankle after the Raiders had sealed their spot and missed the playoff game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In fairness he made the playoffs earlier on too but then broke his ankle after the Raiders had sealed their spot and missed the playoff game. Oof - thats some andy dalton luck right there. In any case - Josh likely sees a better version of mac jones. Better playmakers across the board. I know last year NE was a heavy run team, but i think McDaniels will be adaptable and play to strengths as he's always done with NE - and this team will be annoying to play against as they'll just chip their way up the field. Edited April 13, 2022 by dneveu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I keep seeing slightly above average QB's getting overpaid and lovin' Josh's contract better n better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, dneveu said: He finally made the playoffs in year 8. Thea team couldn't run the ball very well at all so most of the offense ran through him. Adams, Renfrow, Waller - i think they're going to pass even more this year too. Jacobs and Drake probably get more involved in a mcdaniels offense. I think it'll look a bit like the chargers with all the short passes, and carr is equipped to do well in that style of offense. Technically they made the playoffs earlier in his career but he got hurt and couldn’t play in the game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Carr isn't a bad QB. He's solid and strung together a decent 4 year stretch. It's Cousins/Dak type of $$$ like I expected. When you average it out over 4 years it's also quite team friendly. For the people talking about LV being a "middling" team? They added a legit star pass rusher to go along with Crosby in Chandler Jones. They also added a Top 5 WR in Adams to go with Renfrow, Waller, and Jacobs. This is after making the playoffs last year and losing to the eventual AFC Champs by one score in the first round. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 He is not the best QB, but he isn’t a scrub or anything. Maybe top 15? And he did a pretty good job keeping the team together after everything that happened with Gruden and Ruggs last year. Something to be said for being able to navigate all that and get your team to the playoffs. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 If I were the Raiders I'd be petitioning for a division re-alignment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 This is starting to look like the Bills signed Josh to the Dollar Store franchise quarterback deal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, MJS said: Is he really a star QB? Yes. Is he a "superstar"? No. He's been throw a helllll of a career. Between that organization, awful drafts, Henry Ruggs, Jon Gruden, lack of weapons, etc. and if you go look at his career... he's a star. I think this year we'll be able to see that. I mean they went to the playoffs with Zay Jones as their #1 receiver ........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, dneveu said: He finally made the playoffs in year 8. Thea team couldn't run the ball very well at all so most of the offense ran through him. Adams, Renfrow, Waller - i think they're going to pass even more this year too. Jacobs and Drake probably get more involved in a mcdaniels offense. I think it'll look a bit like the chargers with all the short passes, and carr is equipped to do well in that style of offense. Josh Jacobs is a pretty good back he should excel In McDaniels system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: If I were the Raiders I'd be petitioning for a division re-alignment Why? They're the second best team in that division right now. -Charger -Raiders -Broncos -Chiefs 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Why? They're the second best team in that division right now. -Charger -Raiders -Broncos -Chiefs No, they may be equal to the broncos. Maybe. Chiefs chargers better. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, H2o said: Carr isn't a bad QB. He's solid and strung together a decent 4 year stretch. It's Cousins/Dak type of $$$ like I expected. When you average it out over 4 years it's also quite team friendly. For the people talking about LV being a "middling" team? They added a legit star pass rusher to go along with Crosby in Chandler Jones. They also added a Top 5 WR in Adams to go with Renfrow, Waller, and Jacobs. This is after making the playoffs last year and losing to the eventual AFC Champs by one score in the first round. People call them middling because they haven't really shown they can be a threat, and Carr doesn't scare anyone in a Conference with multiple elite QB's. Losing to the Bengals in the WC Round isn't exactly impressive...it's basically what they seem to be until further notice... a good team that will be a playoff contender, but if they make it - Carr vs (insert elite QB) becomes an issue for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Derek Carr is the AFC's version of Kirk Cousins Not going to win anything significant because of him, but too scared to get rid of him and start fresh If I were a Raiders fan, I'd be thrilled to have been in QB purgatory for the last 10+ seasons and just signing up for at least 4 more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 With the insane inflation we're seeing at QB contracts I have to wonder if Allen and Mahomes will be content with theirs or if they'll demand a new deal. Josh's 6 year deal doesn't kick in until next season, and he'll probably be underpaid by at least 10 million that season. By year 6 he could easily be underpaid by 25+ million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Why? They're the second best team in that division right now. -Charger -Raiders -Broncos -Chiefs Lol. I agree they are second best but only because, KC, Denver, and Chargers will all finish tied at 9-7 with Vegas going 8-8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Question is without an agent what kind of contract does Lamar get? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) I think it is time we realize, anytime somebody gets an extension, we are going to think they are getting over-paid. Carr is decent...he just happens to be playing in an era where the game has changed so much, that about a third of the rosters in the league have a QB that will likely retire as that franchises best QB of all-time, statistically. Edited April 13, 2022 by Buftex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I’m a little surprised that high, but they need a QB. They weren’t going to draft one. He’s serviceable, but not worth that much. With their acquisitions this off season, they probably want continuity at QB. Brady's contract w Tampa Bay is $14 mil this year.....(yes) That makes Tampa Bay the fav for the Superbowl as they can afford the free agent pieces around him to stack the roster. Perhaps they will give him a raise though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: If Carr got that amount of jack, then we completely screwed Josh on his contract. What a steal. I think Josh knows he could have held on trying to get more, but he also knows he’s got generational money coming in regardless. Josh is far more likely to restructure to allow for a better team around him and more wins than he is to ask for more. Just how I see him. He’s got plenty and I don’t think it will ever be an ego thing like a certain QB in Green Bay. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: No, they may be equal to the broncos. Maybe. Chiefs chargers better. Chiefs are NOT better than the Raiders or Broncos. They will be lucky to win 8-9 games next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) It seems that the Raiders would be better off finding a new quarterback, one that has the potential to win big in the NFL. Carr does not seem to be that guy, has never won a playoff game. I know his stats seem to paint a different picture, one of a top tier NFL quarterback, but that is not the case. I wonder if the teams that sign players like this know what everyone else knows, and that they just go with the easier, safer option. That is a huge amount of money for a middling, inconsistent quarterback/team leader. Edited April 13, 2022 by Mister Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Why? They're the second best team in that division right now. -Charger -Raiders -Broncos -Chiefs 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: No, they may be equal to the broncos. Maybe. Chiefs chargers better. I guess this is why we play the games? I don’t know what to make of that division, especially Denver, but I’m glad the Bills don’t play in it! Let them all beat the tar out of each other, and let the playoffs run thru Buffalo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I sincerely don't understand the hate for DC and never have. That org is TRASH and he just went to the playoffs with his #1 WR being lost to murder charges. The next best receiver is Zay Jones and then a slot receiver that runs a 4.6 40. ALL while having a subpar defense and losing his coach halfway through the year.............. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Augie said: I think Josh knows he could have held on trying to get more, but he also knows he’s got generational money coming in regardless. Josh is far more likely to restructure to allow for a better team around him and more wins than he is to ask for more. Just how I see him. He’s got plenty and I don’t think it will ever be an ego thing like a certain QB in Green Bay. Josh's true market value is somewhere north of $50M/year. Bills will bank at least $8M/yr over the life of Josh's contract. A steal by any other name.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 We knew Josh's contract would look better in time. Sure didn't expect to look this good, so quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: It seems that the Raiders would be better off finding a new quarterback, one that has the potential to win big in the NFL. Carr does not seem to be that guy, has never won a playoff game. I wonder if the teams that sign players like this know what everyone else knows, and that they just go with the easier, safer option. That is a huge amount of money for a middling, inconsistent quarterback/team leader. I think Carr has been absolutely solid for his entire career .. just on shitshow team/shitshow organization. He's durable, accurate, professional. I've always loved the guy and I think the Raiders were very wise to secure him (if they can commit to giving him some talent to work with). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 They should just give starting QBs have of team's revenue way things are going and QB is responsible out of his money paying for backup QBs, offense line and WRs. Want to skimp on paying them? Then deal with being sacked regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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