78thealltimegreat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 It’s obvious he’s the next in line for a big payday as I think it would be very difficult to trade the best player the franchise has had since Ray Lewis. So if Watson got 230 million guaranteed you have to think Lamar is using that as a starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Is his agent still his mom? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Is his agent still his mom? She'd probably be an upgrade. He represents himself. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, John Adams said: She'd probably be an upgrade. He represents himself. Wow.....he is soooooooo screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: It’s obvious he’s the next in line for a big payday as I think it would be very difficult to trade the best player the franchise has had since Ray Lewis. So if Watson got 230 million guaranteed you have to think Lamar is using that as a starting point. The browns gave watson a desperation contract and everyone knows that. Lamar will surely ask for that deal but Ravens will give him a bit more than the Allen deal imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) It was interesting as I listened to guys from the Owners meeting talking about QB contracts and LJ. Basically - the premise is that according to the CBA any guaranteed money in the contract has to be placed immediately in an escrow account and is not available to the owner after that point. It prevents an owner from going bankrupt and the NFL being on the hook for the money. In talking with Baltimore owners and front office - the reporter basically came out and said they did not want to tie that much money into an escrow account to have the huge guaranteed money like Watson. He is fine doing a big contract, but wants only a fraction 25% or less guaranteed. The reporters were saying they expect this to be a Kirk Cousins style showdown where they franchise tag him at least twice and then look to trade him rather than tie upwards of 230 million into an escrow. It bears watching because they said they got similar vibes from Arizona and Cincinnati ownership with the guaranteed money. They expect at least 2 of these 3 franchises will end up franchising and trading their QB to avoid the 100% guaranteed contract. Edited March 30, 2022 by Rochesterfan 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If I'm Lamar, I'm pushing for maximum guaranteed dollars over total money. So much of his value as a QB is tied to his legs, and not only is that the first thing to diminish, but one bad hit or juke and it could be over in an instant. Of course the Ravens know this, but unless they plan on drafting a replacement over the next year or two, what are they gonna do? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/steve-bisciotti-lamar-jackson-approach-to-contract-unique-as-hell/ Apparently Lamar doesn't want an extension right now? The kid is so obsessed with winning a Super Bowl, that I think deep down, he doesn’t think he’s worthy. I think he wants that to say, ‘Now, I deserve to be on top,'” Bisciotti said. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: It was interesting as I listened to guys from the Owners meeting talking about QB contracts and LJ. Basically - the premise is that according to the CBA any guaranteed money in the contract has to be placed immediately in an escrow account and is not available to the owner after that point. It prevents an owner from going bankrupt and the NFL being on the hook for the money. In talking with Baltimore owners and front office - the reporter basically came out and said they did not want to tie that much money into an escrow account to have the huge guaranteed money like Watson. He is fine doing a big contract, but wants only a fraction 25% or less guaranteed. The reporters were saying they expect this to be a Kirk Cousins style showdown where they franchise tag him at least twice and then look to trade him rather than tie upwards of 230 million into an escrow. It bears watching because they said they got similar vibes from Arizona and Cincinnati ownership with the guaranteed money. They expect at least 2 of these 3 franchises will end up franchising and trading their QB to avoid the 100% guaranteed contract. I didn't know that rule. It's interesting because there is no way that Mike Brown is putting $200 million in an escrow account because he doesn't have it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Jackson is gonna get paid!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/steve-bisciotti-lamar-jackson-approach-to-contract-unique-as-hell/ Apparently Lamar doesn't want an extension right now? The kid is so obsessed with winning a Super Bowl, that I think deep down, he doesn’t think he’s worthy. I think he wants that to say, ‘Now, I deserve to be on top,'” Bisciotti said. I think that the same could be said about a lot of players, but that's why you hire an agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 So wait, top QB's getting fully guaranteed contracts is the new normal? SMH. Good thing they got Josh's done last year. Stupid Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Franchise tag next year....whatever that number is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I wouldn't pay him.....he's one knee injury away from having to be a pass first QB, which he will never be. I'm glad its Baltimore who will be saddled with a ridiculous contract for a QB who is average at best in the passing game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/steve-bisciotti-lamar-jackson-approach-to-contract-unique-as-hell/ Apparently Lamar doesn't want an extension right now? The kid is so obsessed with winning a Super Bowl, that I think deep down, he doesn’t think he’s worthy. I think he wants that to say, ‘Now, I deserve to be on top,'” Bisciotti said. That's either really dumb, or complete BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If I am Lamar Jackson I would grab an agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: That's either really dumb, or complete BS. A reporter might say that but I don't think the owner would say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I'll guess 4 years 200mm with 75mm guaranteed. Ravens have potential outs every year Lamar has never struck me as a book smart person, and going into this without an agent I think he'll go for a deal that has a huge total number and ignore the small guaranteed number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: That's either really dumb, or complete BS. It's honestly pretty damning of the kid's judgment/decision-making. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I worry Lamar might end up getting screwed like Gordie Howe, making a fraction of what he should have, because he doesn't have anyone who understands the money game looking out for him. He needs to get a real agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I'll guess 4 years 200mm with 75mm guaranteed. Ravens have potential outs every year Lamar has never struck me as a book smart person, and going into this without an agent I think he'll go for a deal that has a huge total number and ignore the small guaranteed number. As much as everyone likes to act like Lamar is negotiating the contract himself and won't have any help, this is not what athletes do when they're going into these things without an agent. They just hire a lawyer to make sure they don't do anything stupid instead of having a full-time agent taking a significant amount of their money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: I worry Lamar might end up getting screwed like Gordie Howe, making a fraction of what he should have, because he doesn't have anyone who understands the money game looking out for him. He needs to get a real agent. Yeah, I don't understand it and it's frankly an idiotic move on his part. Look at the guys who are considered some of the smartest dudes in the league - they all have agents. What does that tell you, Lamar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I’ve thought for quite some time he is an injury away from a future bust. In our playoff game in 2020, he only. Managed three points. If he doesn’t evade those hits, he’ll have a short nfl career. I have nothing against him personally and wish him the best. He’s not in the same league as Mahomes and Allen. It didn't Help him in 2021, there were so many injuries on the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 He will ask for a bit more than Watson. 240 all guaranteed. He is being treated like an idiot for not signing now. Thats mainly by media talking heads who have relationships with agents. Last year of his deal on the brink of FA Lamar will hold all the leverage. It will be a massive deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I didn't know that rule. It's interesting because there is no way that Mike Brown is putting $200 million in an escrow account because he doesn't have it. It was very interesting listening to the team on the Fan here in Rochester - it was some feed with a round table with Jason LaCanfora and a few other insiders - maybe Rapport was on it. They said it was never a big deal because most contracts it was 1-2 years of guaranteed money in the past. The owners were putting 15-20 million away over 2 years and therefore only losing a small amount of interest. Now the contracts (especially after Watson) are becoming closer to 100% guaranteed and 6-7 years - therefore a guy like Mike Brown not only has to be willing and able to put 230-250 million in an escrow - he can’t touch, access, or get the interest on that money - meaning the owners are then losing out on huge money over the course of 7 years just with interest- let alone investing it someplace. But I totally agree - I don’t see how Brown in Cincinnati can do a contract like that, but they are going to have to figure things out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 31 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Wow.....he is soooooooo screwed. Larry Tunsil pulled this off successfully, but he was negotiating from a huge point of strength and against a knucklehead in Bill O'Brien. Not sure Lamar will have the same success with the Ravens FO, but will be interesting to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I would think the opening of the conversation is 10% more than the Watson deal, all guaranteed. Lamar has been league MVP and has never caused any trouble on or off the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: As much as everyone likes to act like Lamar is negotiating the contract himself and won't have any help, this is not what athletes do when they're going into these things without an agent. They just hire a lawyer to make sure they don't do anything stupid instead of having a full-time agent taking a significant amount of their money. What's the point of forgoing an agent just to pay an attorney to handle the negotiation? The last player I can remember negotiating their own contract was Richard Sherman, and he really did it on his own with no outside help (unless we're counting his wife). Sherman graduated from Stanford and has always come across as intelligent IMO. He settled on a huge incentive based deal with the 49ers with very little guaranteed $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Larry Tunsil pulled this off successfully, but he was negotiating from a huge point of strength and against a knucklehead in Bill O'Brien. Not sure Lamar will have the same success with the Ravens FO, but will be interesting to see. Hes a unanimous MVP Qb. Its the easiest deal to do. I want x more than Watson fully guaranteed. I dont have a MBA or passed the bar. Its not complicated for a good Qb. 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I would think the opening of the conversation is 10% more than the Watson deal, all guaranteed. Lamar has been league MVP and has never caused any trouble on or off the field. Played out perfect. Im curious how its spun by insiders. Usually, paint the player poorly for not using an agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 35 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I didn't know that rule. It's interesting because there is no way that Mike Brown is putting $200 million in an escrow account because he doesn't have it. Well, he might not have the liquid cash to do it I'm sure the team has some banks willing to loan them the money for that. His team has had a profit of more than 50 mil each year over the last decade except for 2020. Unless he's spending every dime I'm sure he invests some of it and could actually have that coin on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mat68 said: He will ask for a bit more than Watson. 240 all guaranteed. He is being treated like an idiot for not signing now. Thats mainly by media talking heads who have relationships with agents. Last year of his deal on the brink of FA Lamar will hold all the leverage. It will be a massive deal. he won't get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, John Adams said: She'd probably be an upgrade. He represents himself. Wait, is this legit? He’s representing himself?! That’s absolutely nuts when your talking millions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: What's the point of forgoing an agent just to pay an attorney to handle the negotiation? The last player I can remember negotiating their own contract was Richard Sherman, and he really did it on his own with no outside help (unless we're counting his wife). Sherman graduated from Stanford and has always come across as intelligent IMO. He settled on a huge incentive based deal with the 49ers with very little guaranteed $$ Agent generally takes a % of the contract vs. a lawyer just getting paid hourly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 They will never win with Lamar. I wouldn’t even give him 80mil for 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 The Browns really screwed the rest of the league by giving Watson that huge contract. Every mediocre or better QB is going to basically tell their current teams to pay up or just wait to get traded and get the new desperate team to pay them. It's a win-win for the QB's As noted earlier, our contract with Josh is going to look smarter and smarter every year down the road 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 We can see where these contracts are going, I think it sucks. But I also think the Watson thing is a one off. He had full leverage over the Browns, he did not want them but they were desperate for him. Cousins has also gotten fully guaranteed contracts but that did not result in all QB's getting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: The Browns really screwed the rest of the league by giving Watson that huge contract. Every mediocre or better QB is going to basically tell their current teams to pay up or just wait to get traded and get the new desperate team to pay them. It's a win-win for the QB's As noted earlier, our contract with Josh is going to look smarter and smarter every year down the road The Browns clearly told Watson they would give him whatever he wanted if he went there on a trade. It worked if their goal was just to get him there. Terrible thing for the rest of the contracts in the league though. Edited March 30, 2022 by PetermansRedemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I was completely wrong about Josh Allen’s contract last year. I thought all QB’s would slot behind Mahomes. I thought you’d have a ceiling of Mahomes and a floor of Prescott. The only good thing about QBs getting more than Mahomes is it shows the cap is expected to make a huge jump over the next few years. Lamar Jackson probably doesn’t sign for less than Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) I’m not sure he gets huge money. His QBR in his mvp season was 83.0. Next year 67.3, last year 50.7. His TD/INT ratio was 36-9 in the mvp year, 26-9 the next year and 16-13 last year. I think the league is figuring him out. Edited March 30, 2022 by Southern Bills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 31 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Agent generally takes a % of the contract vs. a lawyer just getting paid hourly. Does an agent get paid for the life of the contract? If so I can see why LJ is reluctant. Attorney fees are short term hit relatively speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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