vanhalen26 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I’d love to know the PSL price ranges sooner than later, just to set up expectations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 So Josh will be 30 when it opens? Plenty of time to add a few more championship seasons from within the confines of the new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, vanhalen26 said: I’d love to know the PSL price ranges sooner than later, just to set up expectations. Regarding the Raiders: How much does a PSL cost? The price will vary, but expect to spend at least $500-$1,000 per PSL. In that price range, you will likely sit in the last few rows of the upper deck in an end zone seat. If you want seats 25 rows from the field on the 50-yard line, start saving your money now — the Atlanta Falcons sold those PSLs for $45,000 per seat, at Mercedes-Benz Stadium, which opens this season. At an average cost of $4,000 per PSL, the Raiders plan to raise at least $250 million toward building the new 65,000-seat stadium. https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/aug/24/faq-psls-personal-seat-licenses-raiders-stadium/#:~:text=How much does a PSL,in an end zone seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said: Regarding the Raiders: How much does a PSL cost? The price will vary, but expect to spend at least $500-$1,000 per PSL. In that price range, you will likely sit in the last few rows of the upper deck in an end zone seat. If you want seats 25 rows from the field on the 50-yard line, start saving your money now — the Atlanta Falcons sold those PSLs for $45,000 per seat, at Mercedes-Benz Stadium, which opens this season. At an average cost of $4,000 per PSL, the Raiders plan to raise at least $250 million toward building the new 65,000-seat stadium. https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/aug/24/faq-psls-personal-seat-licenses-raiders-stadium/#:~:text=How much does a PSL,in an end zone seat. The article says it’ll be starting at $1000 per at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Was really hoping for Tottenham stadium style covered seats. That stadium is amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Fantastic news for WNY and all Bills fans! I was 4 years old at the first ever game in the Rockpile, made it to my seat in 1973 for the first ever game at Rich Stadium just before kickoff (which off course Mul-Key returns for a TD), and will God willing be there for the first ever game in the new stadium. My grandchildren (if I have any) will be able to maintain the tradition of being Bills fans going to the games in Buffalo!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said: At an average cost of $4,000 per PSL, the Raiders plan to raise at least $250 million toward building the new 65,000-seat stadium. https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/aug/24/faq-psls-personal-seat-licenses-raiders-stadium/#:~:text=How much does a PSL,in an end zone seat. "NFL teams often offer financing arrangements, advertised on the same web page containing PSL information. For example, Atlanta’s PSL financing requires a down payment of 40 percent and then annual payments on the remaining 60 percent over nine years at 8.5 percent annual interest." On a $4,000 PSL, that's $1,600 (40%) down and $392 per year for nine years... . Edited March 28, 2022 by Shake_My_Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Return of the piss troughs!!! 40 minutes ago, Steptide said: Just show me the pictures.. Interesting sequence of posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Same dumb mistake as when we built the Ralph. Bad location, bad location. *Smh* 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, Shake_My_Head said: "NFL teams often offer financing arrangements, advertised on the same web page containing PSL information. For example, Atlanta’s PSL financing requires a down payment of 40 percent and then annual payments on the remaining 60 percent over nine years at 8.5 percent annual interest." On a $4,000 PSL, that's $1,600 (40%) down and $365 per year for ten years... Anybody paying 8.5% interest is being ripped off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Someone in one of the 400 dome vs open air threads had a really nice explanation of how they messed up the wind modeling in the current stadium and I can’t remember which thread it was 😂 We didn't really do that type of 'modeling' back in the early 970's. Virtual design tools have come a long way since then. They'll get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Seems like a fair deal all around especially with earlier estimates noting that NYS would be funding 1 billion. I wonder if City of Austin still has time to swing a deal for move as in original article with estimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Anybody paying 8.5% interest is being ripped off. Those were 2017 rates, shown for example. It would more likely be 5%-6% today. That would reduce the annual payment to the $330 to $355 range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 disappointed, I think a dome is needed to support the PSLs in this market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I still don’t think so after arguing about this topic all of last season 😂 josh threw the ball into the wind in a hurricane just fine…no other human could do that. I do think the one field wind will be minimized in this new stadium though Josh Allen will not play half for at least half of those 30 years and arm strength weakens over time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) How does it make sense to build a new stadium with LESS seats than the current stadium despite taking up 600,000 more square footage? I mean it literally has a 66% bigger footprint than old stadium but 8000 less seats. Especially for a team that sells out every home game regardless of weather or how good or bad the team is. 8,000 less seats is almost 12% less seats than the current stadium. That’s just gonna make tickets cost even more and harder to get. Bills literally just made a deal to build the second smallest stadium in the NFL in terms of seating capacity. Only Soldier field will have less seats (only 500 less seats). This makes no sense, why have less Bills Mafia at each home game? Best and loudest fan base in the league. Edited March 28, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Wouldn’t that make it too heavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I said from the beginning these idiots--all of them--would not put a new stadium downtown where it should be. Buffalo is gonna always remain Buffalo. 👎 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Lucas Oil cost $720M. How can they spend $1.4B and not have a domed stadium that can be used year round? This is a horrible deal for taxpayers. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: How does it make sense to build a new stadium with LESS seats than the current stadium despite taking up 600,000 more square footage? I mean it literally has a 66% bigger footprint than old stadium but 8000 less seats. Especially for a team that sells out every home game regardless of weather or how good or bad the team is. 8,000 less seats is almost 12% less seats than the current stadium. That’s just gonna make tickets cost even more and harder to get. Bills literally just made a deal to build the second smallest stadium in the NFL in terms of seating capacity. Only Soldier field will have less seats (only 500 less seats). This makes no sense. I can’t explain the size of the stadium outside of the fact that the current stadium is just very small in terms of space. As for capacity, the belief is that sports are trending more to being a TV experience and therefore don’t require as many seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes! Bills are not going anywhere in my lifetime 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: How does it make sense to build a new stadium with LESS seats than the current stadium despite taking up 600,000 more square footage? I mean it literally has a 66% bigger footprint than old stadium but 8000 less seats. Especially for a team that sells out every home game regardless of weather or how good or bad the team is. 8,000 less seats is almost 12% less seats than the current stadium. That’s just gonna make tickets cost even more and harder to get. Bills literally just made a deal to build the second smallest stadium in the NFL in terms of seating capacity. Only Soldier field will have less seats (only 500 less seats). This makes no sense. I would imagine the space will be cost apportioned in a different manner. So fewer seats, but nicer seats with more amenities at much greater prices--and critically---way, way more luxury suites or tiers of luxury suites. I.E., fewer seats but more revenue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 59 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: What does "Built For Buffalo" mean? It will take into account typical weather conditions - 1 day of spring, 3 days of summer, 1 day of autumn and 360 days of winter that, according to the national stereotype, Buffalo suffers from. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanderPoke Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 It's amazing how these rich people don't have to pay for their stadiums 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Lucas Oil cost $720M. How can they spend $1.4B and not have a domed stadium that can be used year round? This is a horrible deal for taxpayers. How long ago was that lol 12-10years. That's equal cost at worst 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I can’t explain the size of the stadium outside of the fact that the current stadium is just very small in terms of space. As for capacity, the belief is that sports are trending more to being a TV experience and therefore don’t require as many seats. More space is fine, but reducing seating capacity to the best home fan base in the NFL by 12% is stupid IMHO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Full announcement: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if City of Austin still has time to swing a deal for move as in original article with estimate? The team is prohibited from speaking to any other municipalities until September so all the paperwork can be done without other municipalities trying to beat it with a better offer before all the legal stuff is finished & signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, Albany,n.y. said: The team is prohibited from speaking to any other municipalities until September so all the paperwork can be done without other municipalities trying to beat it with a better offer before all the legal stuff is finished & signed. I was being sarcastic regarding the "new report" which came from Albany which seemed to be designed to rally efforts against a stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I would imagine the space will be cost apportioned in a different manner. So fewer seats, but nicer seats with more amenities at much greater prices--and critically---way, way more luxury suites or tiers of luxury suites. I.E., fewer seats but more revenue. All of this. It will be a more pleasant place to visit, and it will be more profitable. The era of the big stadiums is pretty much done, except for the occasional palaces that some owners insist on. Ralph Wilson insisted that the original Orchard Park stadium be 80,000 seats, because he wanted to maximize his ticket revenue. Gradually, the stadium was downsized, because the extra cost of a larger stadium wasn't justified by the occasional additional revenue of a sellout. The place will no doubt be a nice place to visit than the current stadium. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: How does it make sense to build a new stadium with LESS seats than the current stadium despite taking up 600,000 more square footage? I mean it literally has a 66% bigger footprint than old stadium but 8000 less seats. Especially for a team that sells out every home game regardless of weather or how good or bad the team is. 8,000 less seats is almost 12% less seats than the current stadium. That’s just gonna make tickets cost even more and harder to get. Bills literally just made a deal to build the second smallest stadium in the NFL in terms of seating capacity. Only Soldier field will have less seats (only 500 less seats). This makes no sense. Smaller stadiums with nicer amenities and higher prices is the way to go. Go to any newer stadium and you will see there us much more room to move around and there are better and more diverse food and drink options. This part of the design makes sense. It should have been a downtown dome but once that was not on the table, this is the best they can do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoMAn Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, 17islongenough said: 30 years seems like a long time to build a stadium It does, but it's par for the course with Erie County and NY State politics leading the charge. The first 10 years will be getting the architect agreed upon, drawing up plans, and going through the approval with a new study and committee. But only after they approve the new Peace Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: How long ago was that lol 12-10years. That's equal cost at worst Even if cost doubled in that time frame which it hasn’t $1.4B should still be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: More space is fine, but reducing seating capacity to the best home fan base in the NFL by 12% is stupid IMHO There’s 5k standing room on top of the 60-62K. And the “best home fan base in the nfl” still has trouble selling out games 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This makes no sense, why have less Bills Mafia at each home game? Best and loudest fan base in the league. Well, there is that pesky reality that the Buffalo area population is 14% smaller (nearly 190,000) than when the Ralph was built. More seats => more out-of-town fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Lucas Oil cost $720M. How can they spend $1.4B and not have a domed stadium that can be used year round? This is a horrible deal for taxpayers. Im in construction and prices are out of hand. If they built this stadium at the same as Lucas I’m sure it would be well below $700M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Draconator said: F Harrington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Smaller stadiums with nicer amenities and higher prices is the way to go. Go to any newer stadium and you will see there us much more room to move around and there are better and more diverse food and drink options. This part of the design makes sense. It should have been a downtown dome but once that was not on the table, this is the best they can do. All the newest stadiums have between 3,000 and 18,000 more seats than this new stadium. So how is “smaller the way to go”? No one else is doing “smaller”. And they added 600,000 more square feet as it is, there is plenty of room to move around and still keep your seating capacity up. We are literally building the smallest stadium in the NFL. For the best and most engaged fan base in the league…one that sells out every home game. Im all for having more space to move around, but you can do that and still keep your capacity bigger than the smallest in the NFL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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