NewEra Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The power of a @YoloinOhio thread. Beaten by 3 minutes but still dominates the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Let them negotiate the contract And Match if the price is doable too easy It's a business. He's trying to maximize his compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Yes, he is. He has shown flashes his entire time here. Every time he has filled in for someone he has done a good job. Then, when he had the chance to start he did very well. He's a solid starter at least. This scenario is more likely to resemble Wyatt Teller than Ryan Groy. And this "he only played 5 games" narrative just coincidentally aligns with Singletary finding holes. If we lose him it will impact the OL. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MJS said: We've had a revolving door at both guard positions for years now. I think it is more difficult to find competent online play than you think. Well I'm talking about Bates specifically. I hope they can keep him, but if not I don't think it would be too hard to get a replacement with at least similar type production imo. I mean he did well at times, but he was a depth player and I don't think it will be that difficult to replace a depth player with similar production Edited March 17, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: The power of a @YoloinOhio thread. Beaten by 3 minutes but still dominates the posts Oops, I should have used the “Uh Oh” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 We still have Cody Ford right? Then I’m not worried. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Minnesota doesn’t have much cap space so it’s not gonna be something where the Bills don’t match because of cap space. Will strictly be about money and what Bills think he’s worth. Edited March 17, 2022 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, TPS said: It's a business. He's trying to maximize his compensation. Also trying to pull a 'McKissic' on the Vikings like McKissic pulled on the Bills. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 42 minutes ago, MJS said: Dang. Poison pill incoming? They can take advantage of the Bills not having much cap space this year. Should have given him the higher tender... I mean, we all know that the cap is fluid and teams can rearrange the deck chairs and create cap space when they want to. But is Bates the level of OLman you see a team doing that for? Right now the Vikings have an estimated $1.8M cap space remaining, and I don't follow them enough to know whether all their FA signings are on the books yet (They have Harry down for a cap hit of $3.8M) 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: This scenario is more likely to resemble Wyatt Teller than Ryan Groy. And this "he only played 5 games" narrative just coincidentally aligns with Singletary finding holes. If we lose him it will impact the OL. Perhaps. But keep in mind, it's entirely possible Teller doesn't become Teller if he stays on the Bills. And the Bills just signed a massive FA to take the spot where Bates excelled last season. Perhaps he doesn't play as well on the right and knows it, in which case it's better for both him and the Bills if he moves along. It's due diligence. It's a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Why didn’t they second round tender this guy again? Because they didn't consider him worth a $3.98M cap hit this cap-strapped year. If the Vikings offer him that or more, the Bills can match it. 47 minutes ago, junior said: Do you know what that would have cost/how it compares to the current tender amount? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 First world problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 With the addition Safford do we assume Bates moves to RG or does Ford get another shot? I would miss Bates' versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If I had to guess, Buffalo views him as nice depth if they can keep him on the cheap - but that's about it. We didn't offer a multi-year deal. We didn't opt for the 2nd round tender. We offered McKissic 3.5M, then turned around and gave it to OJ Howard... so clearly we had 3.5M budgeted for a player, and that player was not Ryan Bates. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Georgie said: With the addition Safford do we assume Bates moves to RG or does Ford get another shot? I would miss Bates' versatility Saffold said that it’s his understanding that he will be at LG, but is open to either. I personally think if he were next to Spencer Brown that would help him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Saffold said that it’s his understanding that he will be at LG, but is open to either. I personally think if he were next to Spencer Brown that would help him. Honestly, lining up next to Spencer Brown would probably help just about anyone lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) If the Vikes really want him they can sign him to a deal that’s front loaded, make it a higher cap hit this year and we’d be screwed. They are up against the cap too though, so if I had to guess, he won’t be getting anything we couldn’t match aside from some stupid poison pill like more than 3 games played in NY causes an escalation of salary. The NFL discourages this type of thing, but it’s not out of question. Or, maybe he has family or a booty call there, just letting the Vikes pay for the flight and dinner? Who knows. Edited March 17, 2022 by DCofNC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Honestly, lining up next to Spencer Brown would probably help just about anyone lol. How crazy is it, he fell to the third because he was so raw, yet came in and became the best player on the line (personal opinion), in very short order? The guy is a beast. Hopefully, we see a little more maturity this year, or he’ll cost us some taunting penalties, but you get to give people crap when you are whipping them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, DCofNC said: How crazy is it, he fell to the third because he was so raw, yet came in and became the best player on the line (personal opinion), in very short order? The guy is a beast. Hopefully, we see a little more maturity this year, or he’ll cost us some taunting penalties, but you get to give people crap when you are whipping them. Agree, it was certainly unexpected by me and many others I'm sure. Was blown away at how well he did and more importantly his presence made basically the whole OL better as a whole. Definitely a promising player and I can only see him improving. As for maturity, speaking for myself I didn't see much of an issue. I love his intensity, toughness, and the way he sticks up for team mates. He fits right in with Allen, Diggs etc with his sense of humor and having fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If Bates moves on, as it stands today, who is the other guard along with Saffold? Ford? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Seems like Buffalo puts all their stock in defensive players they need good lineman. They better hold onto Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, MJS said: Dang. Poison pill incoming? They can take advantage of the Bills not having much cap space this year. Should have given him the higher tender... Beane might have to break into the Beasley bucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, BTB said: If Bates moves on, as it stands today, who is the other guard along with Saffold? Ford? Yeah, it's mind numbing how Buffalo didn't put a 2nd round tag on Bates. The cost was $3.9 million for that tag. With the money offered J. D. McKissic/ Howard they could have locked up a 27 yr old G who helped spring Buffalo's offense late last year. Once Buffalo moved on from the Feliciano/ Boettger/ Ford experiment the run game improved, and Buffalo exploded in the playoffs. Bates can pull better than any of the three he replaced, and adds C backup ability with Morse having his injury history. With Feliciano gone, and if Bates moves on not only is a 2nd starting OG needed, but a backup C becomes a need. Singetary TD up the middle behind Bates and Dawkins in Playoffs vs Pats One of the best executed runs of 2021. McKenzie motions left and Bates 71 pulls left and seal the backside blocking. Those who enjoy excellent blocking scheme and execution should enjoy dissecting this play. Pulling concepts like this only worked once Bates was put in at LG and Singletary benefited. So a broken down and underwhelming TE2 was worth the same money as #71? If Bates signs with Minnesota, that leaves Cody Ford and Rodger Saffold (better run blocker) to protect our $250 million dollar man. Seems penny wise and pound foolish to me. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Yea I'm not sure if Bates is a Kroemer guy he may have just benefitted some from a different style of play/coaching. Maybe Bates is just a dam good player. I love all the talk about this guy is better in one system, and this guy is better in another system. How about you're a good O lineman because you can run block and pass block regardless of whatever system teams want to run. Before Mike Shanahan and the Denver Broncos of the 1990's began running a "zone" blocking scheme, everyone just lined up and tried knock the crap out of the defender in front of them. I don't remember any of the great O lineman of past eras being only good in one scheme. Kent Hull Will Woolford, Jim Ritcher, Ruben Brown etc were just dam good blockers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I have a bad feeling about this...😐 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If we lose Bates, guard become the team's #1 need heading into the draft. Ford has played terribly and Saffold is an older player on a one-year deal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Even with Bates I was still expecting a guard in the first round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I mean if what the Bills did made it so the Bills have a chance to match any offer he gets, doesn't it only make sense for him to see what other teams will give him unless he just wants to take the minimum the Bills will give him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Maybe Bates is just a dam good player. I think he is I'm not going to argue otherwise. I want to keep him. Asking about systems and fit isn't an outrageous question that they may take into consideration Edited March 17, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, dneveu said: Even with Bates I was still expecting a guard in the first round. Highly highly doubtful- you don’t take a guard in the first You take a cb or wr. You can find starting guards in rd 3 and 4. He’s not a guard but look at brown taken in the 3rd last year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Yeah Ford sucks and the guard market has really dried up. So unless somebody gets cut, we should very much try to keep Bates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Yeah, it's mind numbing how Buffalo didn't put a 2nd round tag on Bates. The cost was $3.9 million for that tag. With the money offered J. D. McKissic/ Howard they could have locked up a 27 yr old G who helped spring Buffalo's offense late last year. Once Buffalo moved on from the Feliciano/ Boettger/ Ford experiment the run game improved, and Buffalo exploded in the playoffs. Bates can pull better than any of the three he replaced, and adds C backup ability with Morse having his injury history. With Feliciano gone, and if Bates moves on not only is a 2nd starting OG needed, but a backup C becomes a need. Singetary TD up the middle behind Bates and Dawkins in Playoffs vs Pats One of the best executed runs of 2021. McKenzie motions left and Bates 71 pulls left and seal the backside blocking. Those who enjoy excellent blocking scheme and execution should enjoy dissecting this play. Pulling concepts like this only worked once Bates was put in at LG and Singletary benefited. So a broken down and underwhelming TE2 was worth the same money as #71? If Bates signs with Minnesota, that leaves Cody Ford and Rodger Saffold (better run blocker) to protect our $250 million dollar man. Seems penny wise and pound foolish to me. I don’t understand this thinking at all. Why tender him at 3.9 million when that is probably at least 1 - 1.5 million more than you think he is worth. The Bills did this exactly right. Low tender him with right to match. Let the Vikings do the work and if the deal comes in at a palatable rate - you match and it is done and you have 10 days to get the money in order. If the cost is to high - then you wait to decline and let that eat money up in Minnesota without having a back-up plan. In the mean time you can research other guys while you wait. Bates was a nice find, but he was an average guard - his real value is in his flexibility. My guess is the Vikings will try to sign him, but the Bills will match and since there is no longer the ability to do poison pills since the CBA - 2 times ago- you just have to determine his worth - no different than every other player. They had a worth on Wallace, Beasley, Harrison Phillips and they use that to determine offers and who to let walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Yeah, it's mind numbing how Buffalo didn't put a 2nd round tag on Bates. The cost was $3.9 million for that tag. With the money offered J. D. McKissic/ Howard they could have locked up a 27 yr old G who helped spring Buffalo's offense late last year. Once Buffalo moved on from the Feliciano/ Boettger/ Ford experiment the run game improved, and Buffalo exploded in the playoffs. Bates can pull better than any of the three he replaced, and adds C backup ability with Morse having his injury history. With Feliciano gone, and if Bates moves on not only is a 2nd starting OG needed, but a backup C becomes a need. Singetary TD up the middle behind Bates and Dawkins in Playoffs vs Pats One of the best executed runs of 2021. McKenzie motions left and Bates 71 pulls left and seal the backside blocking. Those who enjoy excellent blocking scheme and execution should enjoy dissecting this play. Pulling concepts like this only worked once Bates was put in at LG and Singletary benefited. So a broken down and underwhelming TE2 was worth the same money as #71? If Bates signs with Minnesota, that leaves Cody Ford and Rodger Saffold (better run blocker) to protect our $250 million dollar man. Seems penny wise and pound foolish to me. I couldn't agree more. Bates basically came in and jump started an OL that struggled in the run game early in the season. All Bates does when he's asked to fill in is perform. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If he leaves fortunately Guard is one of the easier positions to fill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greatdane21 said: If he leaves fortunately Guard is one of the easier positions to fill Maybe so, but we might lose some of the chemistry that had been built up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If he can’t play DT we don’t want em! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Let them negotiate the contract And Match if the price is doable too easy As long as it's under 1.5 million more. I don't see them placing the tender they placed on him instead of the 2nd Round tender which was 1.5 million more and then paying more than that to match the deal. Beane sets his prices and doesn't deviate. Edited March 17, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I sure hope we do not lose him. He is one of the best values on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Yeah, it's mind numbing how Buffalo didn't put a 2nd round tag on Bates. The cost was $3.9 million for that tag. With the money offered J. D. McKissic/ Howard they could have locked up a 27 yr old G who helped spring Buffalo's offense late last year. It would have been silly to do it. Whatever Minny offers, he doesn't just leave so why would you lock yourself into giving him more money when it's not likely he'll leave? Would you accept a 2nd round pick for him straight up right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: If we lose Bates, guard become the team's #1 need heading into the draft. Ford has played terribly and Saffold is an older player on a one-year deal. Does it really? We have no true CB2 and with White also potentially missing some of the year. CB has to be the biggest need easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Gambit said: Does it really? We have no true CB2 and with White also potentially missing some of the year. CB has to be the biggest need easily. They still are big needs, but with Cody Ford at guard Josh Allen won't make it through the season. Dane Jackson is a better cb than Cody Ford is a guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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