What is the BEST pick you would trade for Saquon Barkley?

[Rigotz]

Joe Shoen remarked at the combine today that he's open to anything when it comes to Saquon Barkley.

 

The Bills certainly have the Beane-Shoen connection going for them.

 

What would you trade?

[Process]

A 6th because I would want him as a one year rental only. 

 

I would make the trade knowing I was going to let him walk after this season, no matter how well he does. 

 

Zero interest in giving a RB, any RB, a big contract.

[Patrick Duffy]

Hmmm, not sure I would trade for him at all. Would have to know more in depth about his health but as of now I would not risk it

[strive_for_five_guy]

Leaning towards a #4 pick here.

[Bag of Milk]

none

[Greg S]

None. Injuries have robbed him of his speed/quickness. This isn't the guy from Penn St anymore.

[Alphadawg7]

I started a thread on this a month ago and proposed sending Moss and a pick so the pick wouldn't have to be as high.  We have some players that I believe Giants could have interest in like Moss or Singletary, for obvious reasons where one of them can be looked on as a guy who can come over and compete to start in his place.  Or even Cole Beasley, also on a one year deal so he is off the books next year but gives them a value piece to help Daniel Jones (or whoever starts this year) in Dabolls system that can be an underneath safety blanket and 3rd down ace who knows the system already.

 

And if we trade Cole, then the salaries almost wash each other out too, so makes it easier to take on Barkleys salary this year.  Or of course Beane could try and work a new deal ahead of the trade, a short term one thats good for Barkley to try and reset his market in a better situation and gives us a talent at a price we can afford as Josh's deal starts to kick in next year.  

 

I thought then, and still do now, that Barkely to the Bills is a realistic scenario.  

Edited March 1, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Special K]

11 minutes ago, Process said:

A 6th because I would want him as a one year rental only. 

 

I would make the trade knowing I was going to let him walk after this season, no matter how well he does. 

 

Zero interest in giving a RB, any RB, a big contract.

 

I voted for a 5th rounder, but I agree with everything else in your post.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

None. Injuries have robbed him of his speed/quickness. This isn't the guy from Penn St anymore.

 

A torn ACL isn't somethig guys commonly come back to 100% in their first year back.  Often its not until the next season do they start to regain their full form again. I wouldn't write Barkley off yet.  

Edited March 1, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[filthymcnasty08]

In this offense?

 

Comeback Player of the Year potential.

 

He has been playing with a bottom 3 OL last 2 years.  Absolute dog sh-t.

 

Has the entire skillset and knows he has yet to prove out.

 

He is a "process" player....peak condition,professional, smart, driven.

 

Whatever the cost turns out to be [within reason] , he will be worth it.

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by filthymcnasty08

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

A torn ACL isn't somethig guys commonly come back to 100% in their first year back.  Often its not until the next season do they start to regain their full form again. I wouldn't write Barkley off yet.  

 

Fair point but if I am Beane I am giving a 5th round pick at best. If the Giants say no then move on.

[thenorthremembers]

Have to listen to what Beane said at his year end, and again on the E Wood Podcast.  He isnt interested in giving up valuable resources for players on short term deals.   You cant give up more than a 5th for a guy who on a one year deal who has played less than 60% of his games the last three years.  

 

[BillsfaninSB]

5 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

In this offense?

 

Comeback Player of the Year potential.

 

He has been playing with a bottom 3 OL last 2 years.  Absolute dog sh-t.

 

Has the entire skillset and knows he has yet to prove out.

 

He is a "process" player....peak condition,professional, smart, driven.

 

Whatever the cost, he will be worth it.

 

I agree.  Not on board with whatever the cost though.   Would go as high as a 3rd. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

Fair point but if I am Beane I am giving a 5th round pick at best. If the Giants say no then move on.

 

I dont disagree to limit your risk exposure.  I think Moss and a 5th...or if they have cap concerns, do Beasley and a 5th because then the contracts almost cancel each other out in terms of the cap hit.  

[BuffaloBillies]

Depends. He poops his pants.

[mushypeaches]

I see this as like the Brock Osweiler pick from a few years ago where the Texans actually GAVE the Browns a pick to get them to take the player and the big bloated contract.  I know that's oversimplifying what happened with that trade, but I'm not giving up assets to take on that albatross

[Ethan in Cleveland]

None. They can't afford to pay money on the RB position.  Singletary, Moss, and a rookie are fine. 

Keep addressing the lines and spend your dollars blocking. 

[HOUSE]

So far we are signing Gronk for league minimum & Barkley for a 3rd

 

I LOVE THE OFF SEASON

[ToGoGo]

It all depends on what the team doctors say. They would know best here. 

 

If they feel he can get back to All-World status, then you take a chance on getting a HOF level talent at RB, especially where that's an area that is holding the team back. 

 

As for the $7.2M, if he's healthy then he's worth every penny. He's the Thurman we've been looking for. 

[Rigotz]

3 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

I see this as like the Brock Osweiler pick from a few years ago where the Texans actually GAVE the Browns a pick to get them to take the player and the big bloated contract.  I know that's oversimplifying what happened with that trade, but I'm not giving up assets to take on that albatross

 

You must not have looked at the poll... or looked at Spotrac.

$7.2M for one season. That's not an "albatross" and it isn't comparable to Brock Osweiler at all.

[Mat68]

With his injuries and salary a day 3 pick and send em Star. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Pass.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

With his injuries and salary a day 3 pick and send em Star. 

 

Yeah - 7.2 million dollars is a lot for any running back, let alone one who hasn't been particularly good since his rookie year.  Trading Star saves Buffalo a little bit more than cutting him would because of the 2022 salary guarantee and helps it fit.  

 

And he's probably not signing an extension either so its a 1 yr 7.2 mil deal that to me doesn't put buffalo any closer to getting over the hump.  

 

[Patrick Duffy]

28 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Hmmm, not sure I would trade for him at all. Would have to know more in depth about his health but as of now I would not risk it

Just to add, I will say though that if knowing all there is to know about his health and if Bills (or me in this case as pretend GM) feel satisfied enough to the point he's good to go and confident in his availability.....in such a scenario I would offer a 5th with possible negotiation of a 4th at very best. Also would have to be willing to re-work contract.

 

Wouldn't want to be paying quite that much as it's listed here.

[Rc2catch]

For 7 million and expiring contract. I’m not sending anything. Nobody knows if he’s still a homerun hitter and the injuries are just constant 

[stinky finger]

31 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

In this offense?

 

Comeback Player of the Year potential.

 

He has been playing with a bottom 3 OL last 2 years.  Absolute dog sh-t.

 

Has the entire skillset and knows he has yet to prove out.

 

He is a "process" player....peak condition,professional, smart, driven.

 

Whatever the cost, he will be worth it.

 

You were doing so well….until the last sentence. 

[Malazan]

He's too expensive. He'd be somebody I'd basically be hoping was healthy come playoff time because he's not gonna make it a full season. Given his salary and the Bills cap situation, I'm not giving up much of an asset, if any. 

[stinky finger]

26 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

None. They can't afford to pay money on the RB position.  Singletary, Moss, and a rookie are fine. 

Keep addressing the lines and spend your dollars blocking. 

And catching.

 

Preferably a burner. 

21 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

With his injuries and salary a day 3 pick and send em Star. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

57 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Joe Shoen remarked at the combine today that he's open to anything when it comes to Saquon Barkley.

 

The Bills certainly have the Beane-Shoen connection going for them.

 

What would you trade?

I'm a big Singletary guy. I feel like when he's on the bell cow role he does very well. If the line improves he will be even better.

 

For the sake of this post if we were pushed into needing a RB I would go no higher than a 6th and Moss. Giants could use him being familiar with Daboll's offense and a cheap rookie contract while they work out their cap issues. 

 

Would rather just sign Marlon Mack and have him back up Motor and mix in a rookie. I'm done with seeing Moss.

 

[Simon Says]

Who do you cut  to accommodate his 7 million dollar salary?( don't say Moss or Singletary) You're creating another roster hole 

[Solomon Grundy]

4th/5th rd

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Process said:

A 6th because I would want him as a one year rental only. 

 

I would make the trade knowing I was going to let him walk after this season, no matter how well he does. 

 

Zero interest in giving a RB, any RB, a big contract.

its got to at least be the comp pick you get a year later when he walks then 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

For 7 million and expiring contract. I’m not sending anything. Nobody knows if he’s still a homerun hitter and the injuries are just constant 

expiring contracts are friendly in creating comp picks to offset trade cost. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Joe Shoen remarked at the combine today that he's open to anything when it comes to Saquon Barkley.

 

The Bills certainly have the Beane-Shoen connection going for them.

 

What would you trade?

 

If the Giants restructure and get the cap hit down to 3-3.5 million - maybe I look, but I would not give up anything to get a back with that injury history and a 7 million CAP hit.

 

You can sign or keep 50+ other RBs at a fraction of the cost and get similar or better production.

 

 

[Southern_Bills]

45 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

With his injuries and salary a day 3 pick and send em Star. 

 

If they will take star and his contract I may even lean towards a 3rd for doing us a solid on Star.

[Rc2catch]

10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

its got to at least be the comp pick you get a year later when he walks then 

 

 

expiring contracts are friendly in creating comp picks to offset trade cost. 

You can’t really count on comp picks for someone like that. He can just as easily flame out and get hurt again which means nobody signs him to any real kind of deal and then no comp pick. 

[Rochesterfan]

51 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

You must not have looked at the poll... or looked at Spotrac.

$7.2M for one season. That's not an "albatross" and it isn't comparable to Brock Osweiler at all.

 

7.2 million makes him a top 10 salary for RB for AAV.  
 

For a guy injured each of the last few seasons - that is an Albatross of a contract.

 

If the Giants thought he was going to “bounce” back - why trade him - keep him and use Tags if he does perform and let him walk if he doesn’t.  At least the Giants have CAP space.

 

If they are done with him - then I do not want him at that salary anyplace near my team.

 

[NewEra]

Possibly a 4th, but prefer a 5th+

[Rigotz]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

7.2 million makes him a top 10 salary for RB for AAV.  
 

For a guy injured each of the last few seasons - that is an Albatross of a contract.

 

If the Giants thought he was going to “bounce” back - why trade him - keep him and use Tags if he does perform and let him walk if he doesn’t.  At least the Giants have CAP space.

 

If they are done with him - then I do not want him at that salary anyplace near my team.

 

 

So... you really think the Giants are going to GIVE picks for Saquon Barkley?

 

The #2 overall pick, who ran for over 1,000 yards his first two years... is going to be traded for NEGATIVE PICKS because he was injured the last two years and has an "Albatross" contract of $7.2M?

 

If you don't like the guy, fine... but what you're proposing is ridiculous.

He's getting paid $1M less than Kenyan Drake and $1M more than Chris Carson. It's not a huge contract.

 

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Voted 4th round but then remembered the contract....

[mushypeaches]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

 

You must not have looked at the poll... or looked at Spotrac.

$7.2M for one season. That's not an "albatross" and it isn't comparable to Brock Osweiler at all.

 

It is an albatross when you couple 5X what we're currently paying our RB's plus a significant injury history, plus the fact that running back is the most fungible easily replaceable position in the game.  

My point when comparing to Brock Osweiler is that you don't give up assets to trade for this guy.  In many instances, the team that's looking to trade shouldn't be looking for much in return.  

 

But please, keep playing amateur offseason GM and flame away at people who don't agree with the thought of overpaying for the RB position (see McCoy, LeSean for recent examples)