Would Ya? Sam Darnold Edition?

[JohnNord]

I would be fine with Darnold or Fitzpatrick as players.  Given the cap situation, it does make me weary of donating so much money to a QB2.

[gjv001]

If Darnold was available to us in the 3-5 mil range, I would bring him into camp to compete for the back-up job. I would also bring in Josh Rosen with the same salary parameters.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Hard no on Darnold - Yips.

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Yes

Link?

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

Yea I heard Josh is now friends with Patrick Mahomes, I wonder if he will be Josh's backup... you know friend connection.

In a true competition, Patrick could unseat Josh. Didn't say WOULD, COULD. Anyone that replies with a "no way" is just a homer. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

who do u want as backup qb then?

I’ve said my piece in the other QB thread(s) 

 

[Brennan Huff]

59 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

According to who? Where is Trubisky going to go? He wasn't that highly valued leaving Chicago and he has no tape from 2021 to show he is any better or worse.

Do you think it’s more likely that he re-signs with us than going somewhere where he has a chance to start?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Do you think it’s more likely that he re-signs with us than going somewhere where he has a chance to start?

I dont know but I'm just saying its not a given he will leave. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

58 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Hard no on Darnold - Yips.

Have you got hiccups?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Virgil said:

For clarity, this is based off absolutely nothing besides their known relationship and assumed cuts.

 

If Sam Darnold gets cut by the Panthers and Fitz doesn't want to come back (my personal hope), how would you feel about the Bills bringing in Darnold as Josh's back-up.  They are known to be great friends and train together with Palmer.  I can't imagine that anyone is going to pay Darnold much of anything on his next contract after being given the keys to the kingdom twice.

 

Now, I haven't really seen anything of Darnold to believe he can turn his career around, but he does have the proper tools.  He was mentally broken for the Jets and a few years of building his confidence back up could be helpful.  Also, in spot Duty, maybe he could put some games together.

 

On a side note, think of the fact that we could have Rosen, Josh, and Darnold all on this roster together if we really wanted to.  Hell, even Baker after this season.  It's crazy how that all turned out.

 

No. 

I don't think Josh needs a "buddy" on the bench.   Josh has that knack of making friends with everyone.  He does need someone who can point stuff out in the room and on the bench and be heard.  There will always be that "I was drafted ahead of you, 3rd overall, I was a Big Star at USC and played on the Big Stage" dynamic between them.  However good-natured they are, make no mistake, these are guys with Big Egos.

 

The Bills need someone who can play at a good level if needed - say Josh is out for 4 games, we need someone who can win 2 of them. 

Trubisky in Chicago 64% completions, 208 ypg, 64 TD to 37 INTs, 6.7 YPA, 6.6% sack.  These are numbers good enough to win more often than not when supported with defense and with a good run game, and in fact Chicago won 29-21 games with Trubisky at the helm.

 

Darnold with the Jets and Panthers 59.8% completions, 212 ypg, 54 TD to 52 INTs, 6.5 YPA, 7.6% sacks.  These are not numbers good enough to win more often than not, and in fact the Jets and Panthers won 17-32 games with Darnold at the helm.   The biggest problem there is the INTs.  It's hard to win when the QB gifts the ball to the other team.  KC showed that in the AFCCG. 

 

I don't think the Panthers are going to cut Darnold.  Why would they?  They owe him $18.9M fully guaranteed if they cut him, or if they don't.  The Giants actually had a reasonable offense under McAdoo as OC, so why wouldn't they see if McAdoo can get them something for their $$ (unless some team wants to trade him, under a 'Panthers keep part of his salary' deal)

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

This is the "fun" time of year where everyone is an option. There are going to be a LOT of salty people when QB room next year is Josh Allen->Matt Barkley->Late day 3 rookie draft picks.

I don't think so since the backup QB doesn't really matter.

[Captain Hindsight]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Fine with me.

 

He's not as awful as the Jets made him seem

Yes he is. He’s had like 6 good games in his career and he is beyond inconsistent. He has almost a 1-1 TD to INT ratio and has 29 fumbles in 50 games. He’s a liability on the field

 

Darnolds biggest champion is the media. He’s bad

[Brennan Huff]

37 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I dont know but I'm just saying its not a given he will leave. 

No it’s not a given but I’d say there’s a very, very, good chance that he does. That was the plan all along 

[bigK14094]

A successful vet makes sense to me.  Somebody who can contribute to the weekly conversation.  Someone who can win a couple while Josh might be out.  Barkley might still be around, he knows he is a backup.  Fitz would work but would want more money than bills want to pay.  On the other hand, it might make a last chance for Fitz to get a ring, and he might take a "ring chance" discount.  That would work, and he has the teammate skills and knowledge.  I  think Fitz would be great in the role.  Of course ,we know Fitz won't get us to the SB, but, he might be a link in the chain for a few weeks.

[frostbitmic]

Darnold led the NCAA in turn overs his final year at USC and he hasn't improved as a pro. I think he peaked as a college freshman.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

32 minutes ago, TBBills said:

I don't think so since the backup QB doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter...until it does.

 

Seattle lost Wilson for a bit and it became a lost season. Arizona lost Murray for a bit and McCoy did just enough to keep their playoff hopes going.

[BillsFan619]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

For clarity, this is based off absolutely nothing besides their known relationship and assumed cuts.

 

If Sam Darnold gets cut by the Panthers and Fitz doesn't want to come back (my personal hope), how would you feel about the Bills bringing in Darnold as Josh's back-up.  They are known to be great friends and train together with Palmer.  I can't imagine that anyone is going to pay Darnold much of anything on his next contract after being given the keys to the kingdom twice.

 

Now, I haven't really seen anything of Darnold to believe he can turn his career around, but he does have the proper tools.  He was mentally broken for the Jets and a few years of building his confidence back up could be helpful.  Also, in spot Duty, maybe he could put some games together.

 

On a side note, think of the fact that we could have Rosen, Josh, and Darnold all on this roster together if we really wanted to.  Hell, even Baker after this season.  It's crazy how that all turned out.

Hey Virg! Hope you’re well.

 

When you said “my personal hope” about Fitz, did you mean you hope he’s back on our team or you hope he doesn’t want to come back on our team?

[eball]

The Bills are a perfect landing spot for Darnold once he is no longer being paid like a #2 overall draft pick.  He and Josh are tight, and the Bills have established themselves as a place players come to get better.

 

It just can’t happen this year.

[TBBills]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

It doesn't matter...until it does.

 

Seattle lost Wilson for a bit and it became a lost season. Arizona lost Murray for a bit and McCoy did just enough to keep their playoff hopes going.

It really doesn't... you can never expect to win with a backup QB which is why it doesn't matter if you go with a rookie. 

 

Just like when the Bills went with Peterman and Josh, don't be surprised  if they don't grab an expensive backup. 

[Don Otreply]

In that he would be cheap, if he came here, and that he and Josh are friends is all fine and dandy, but as a QB the guy really isn’t any good, hell he’s worse than Barkley, in all seriousness why the F would we want him on this team??  Go for it, change my mind on this guy, 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[BigAl2526]

He's not going to become available, and if he did the cost might be a bit high, but I'd be fine with Darnold as the Bills' backup, far more so than Cam Newton, who was suggested in another thread.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Cheap ✓

Young ✓

Still has upside ✓

 

I would prefer a veteran with a better track record, but we could do much worse.

[billykay]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

It doesn't matter...until it does.

 

Seattle lost Wilson for a bit and it became a lost season. Arizona lost Murray for a bit and McCoy did just enough to keep their playoff hopes going.

McCoy would be my choice for backup QB.

[Steptide]

I think the bills could do worse, but I wouldn't exactly have a ton of confidence in him winning games if we needed him to. That said, it'd be wild to think that we'd have two top ten qbs from the draft in 2018 

[Rico]

6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I can hardly wait for the preseason game where Darnold has a good couple of quarters, and the board erupts into 'Darnold as #1 QB' threads. 🙄

*
I'll hang up and listen.  Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups. 😁

Trubisky looked damn good against the Bears last year.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, Rico said:

Trubisky looked damn good against the Bears last year.

That prompted a few 'Chad from Cheektowaga' replies in the threads from me.  Not dissing any Chads or Cheektowagans. 😁

Edited February 27, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I don't think the Panthers are going to cut Darnold.  Why would they?  They owe him $18.9M fully guaranteed if they cut him, or if they don't.  The Giants actually had a reasonable offense under McAdoo as OC, so why wouldn't they see if McAdoo can get them something for their $$ (unless some team wants to trade him, under a 'Panthers keep part of his salary' deal)

 

I can see a trade occurring if two teams are both in same situation stuck with a player and are willing to take a chance with other team's trouble.

[ganesh]

9 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Do you think it’s more likely that he re-signs with us than going somewhere where he has a chance to start?

Tribusky should get opportunity to compete;  sort of like Tannehill did when he went to Nashville. 

 

I can see him take a flyer with the Giants,  Washington,Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Indy etc

[BuffaloBills1998]

18 hours ago, Virgil said:

For clarity, this is based off absolutely nothing besides their known relationship and assumed cuts.

 

If Sam Darnold gets cut by the Panthers and Fitz doesn't want to come back (my personal hope), how would you feel about the Bills bringing in Darnold as Josh's back-up.  They are known to be great friends and train together with Palmer.  I can't imagine that anyone is going to pay Darnold much of anything on his next contract after being given the keys to the kingdom twice.

 

Now, I haven't really seen anything of Darnold to believe he can turn his career around, but he does have the proper tools.  He was mentally broken for the Jets and a few years of building his confidence back up could be helpful.  Also, in spot Duty, maybe he could put some games together.

 

On a side note, think of the fact that we could have Rosen, Josh, and Darnold all on this roster together if we really wanted to.  Hell, even Baker after this season.  It's crazy how that all turned out.

 

**Edit - His contract is guaranteed this season.  So this wouldn't be until 2023, which makes it all very doubtful

I’ll bet you 10 dollars Fitz comes back and finishes is career in Buffalo

[Albany,n.y.]

11 hours ago, gjv001 said:

If Darnold was available to us in the 3-5 mil range, I would bring him into camp to compete for the back-up job. I would also bring in Josh Rosen with the same salary parameters.

Rosen was playing for league minimum last year (after getting paid his guarantees by a team he wasn't on).  He got benched in garbage time & you want to hand him $3-5 million.  What are you thinking wanting to sign Rosen for $3+ million?  

[Patrick Duffy]

37 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I’ll bet you 10 dollars Fitz comes back and finishes is career in Buffalo

I'd like to see that happen. imo I think that's something he wants for himself also. So we will see....

[BuffaloBills1998]

29 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Rosen was playing for league minimum last year (after getting paid his guarantees by a team he wasn't on).  He got benched in garbage time & you want to hand him $3-5 million.  What are you thinking wanting to sign Rosen for $3+ million?  

Is Rosen even in the league anymore?

[Brennan Huff]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Tribusky should get opportunity to compete;  sort of like Tannehill did when he went to Nashville. 

 

I can see him take a flyer with the Giants,  Washington,Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Indy etc

100%

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Rosen was playing for league minimum last year (after getting paid his guarantees by a team he wasn't on).  He got benched in garbage time & you want to hand him $3-5 million.  What are you thinking wanting to sign Rosen for $3+ million?  

 

I think Jay Rosen DESERVES $3 million since he will give me 1%.

 

Oh Josh Rosen! I would not sign him to Practice Squad.

[MJS]

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be fine with it. He does have talent. He is actually a pretty good runner. He is just horrible at protecting the football. That has always been his problem.

 

But maybe if he came and had a good environment and good coaching he could turn it around. He has had good games in the NFL.

12 hours ago, gjv001 said:

If Darnold was available to us in the 3-5 mil range, I would bring him into camp to compete for the back-up job. I would also bring in Josh Rosen with the same salary parameters.

I can see Darnold, but why in the world would you bring in Rosen? He has shown absolutely nothing positive in the NFL. At least Darnold has put together decent stretches in his career.

[MrEpsYtown]

This position is not high on my list of priorities, but My list:

 

1. Trubisky if we can. That would be my #1 choice

2. Kyle Allen - Highly athletic guy with upside. Washington brought him in to 

be a long term back up to Dwayne Haskins. Allen is a good guy to have around Josh as they train together in the offseason so they speak the same language. Kyle is an RFA who maybe Washington tenders, but it won’t be a high tender. Probably not going to get a chance to start anywhere. 
3. Jacoby Brissett - I know some people really don’t like him for some reason, but he is familiar with the offense and has proven he can win NFL games. Smart guy, good size, good athlete. I am guessing he tries to go to a place where he has a chance to compete. 
4. Blaine Gabbert - I know, I know. He’s a good dude who has been around forever but somehow just 32 years old. He has seen a lot of things and has been an understudy to Brady for the last two years. Extremely intelligent player who essentially had the Sam Darnold career, start too early and had 8 OCs in 8 years. Maybe he gets a shot to start in Tampa, but to me he is ideal backup material. Gabbert was also in the same QB room with Jordan Palmer for awhile

in Jacksonville. 
 

After that it’s probably Dalton or Colt McCoy. If I were a betting man, I’d say Kyle Allen gets here somehow on like a 3 year deal to be Josh’s backup. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

45 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

. Jacoby Brissett - I know some people really don’t like him for some reason, but he is familiar with the offense and has proven he can win NFL games. Smart guy, good size, good athlete. I am guessing he tries to go to a place where he has a chance to compete. 

I think the dislike is mostly because ex Patriot

[Ralonzo]

22 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If the "Commadors" don't tender Kyle Allen (I think they will, though) I'd rather bring him in then Darnold.

The guy that couldn’t beat out Lionel Richie for a starting job?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

After that it’s probably Dalton or Colt McCoy. If I were a betting man, I’d say Kyle Allen gets here somehow on like a 3 year deal to be Josh’s backup. 

Why would they go out and hire 'The Fall Guy'?!  Isn't he too old?

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

The guy that couldn’t beat out Lionel Richie for a starting job?

All jokes aside, Lionel Richie is an amazing duel threat QB. First he stands in the pocket and says "Hello, is it me you're looking for?", next thing you know the guy's Dancing on the Ceiling.

 

And when he's on prime time games, working the Night Shift...he makes it look so Easy the way he torches DBs All Night Long.