stevewin Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: He should be more involved. Isaiah McKenzie says he’s the fastest guy oh the team. Yeah the "highest paid STer" is a bit of a misnomer - as you mentioned he was involved in the D esp certain game plans - good to see they might be finding a bigger role for him. That being said, he was also extremely valuable on STs - from my viewpoint he made a lot more positive plays than Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: He is much more than a ST gunner. He provides outstanding depth— can play corner and safety. Great signing. Just not very well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Why kick it in the end zone when you have Siran Neal? Why not ask Sean McD why he kicked it in the end zone at KC to blow the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Good deal, probably has incentives to hit those #s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 This message is terrible lately. Neal is a core special teams player. He'll probably be special teams captain this year. 51 minutes ago, ytownblofan said: Good signing. Tough to find a better gunner out there. I would also be willing to bet his cap hit is nowhere near the 3.6MM. Guessing the 10.9MM maximum value also includes all of the not likely to be earned incentives Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, MWK said: Another contract overpaying a special teamer. When will we learn????? Matakevich better be GONE after this ridiculous news They play different positions on special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Love you Beane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I can see keeping him here for his ST contributions. I am not a fan of him being on the field when the defense is out there though. The dollars aren’t big - and contract details aren’t even out yet - so I don’t see anything worth complaining about. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 A little pricy but I bet that’s heavy on incentives he is unlikely to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I don't think he'll ever develop into a regular on defense, but his versatility is a plus and his value on special teams is considerable. It's probably a fair contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, NewEra said: A contract like what? You have no idea what the contract entails except 3 years and the max amount after incentives..….and you’re going to compare it to something? Cmon Dr. Do better I think all posters on this forum should strive to become the best versions of themselves... 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The league source is his agent bragging about the contract, and the actual cap hits will not be equal to the AAV. Anyone who thinks the initial reported numbers are the true numbers has not been paying attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 At 3 million a year that is a yes He is more then just a special teams ace....he feels a specific role of the larger db that can still move around guy. I felt like he was really starting to round into form last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I'd feel worse about spending money on a special teamer if the cupboard wasn't completely bare in terms of DB depth behind our starters. I never want Neal to start a game, but I can certainly think of worse things that signing a guy who you've brought up through your system as a known quantity at what appears to be a very reasonable veteran depth deal. I feel better about this than I do Mario Addison or AJ Klein. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Solid back up and special teamer. I like it. Love seeing this guy make big tackles too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Puke. Another overpay for a guy that plays mostly special teams. Any UDFA can do what he does. He is a decent player that can get a contract like that when you don't have superstars to pay. Beane is not evolving. It won’t be even close to an overpay as the cap goes skyrocketing. Better get used to seeing much bigger annualized numbers on every position including ST. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, eball said: Gotta get the papers, get the papers... Don't blame him! I've noticed a glitch here on the site and you write post, hit submit, and nothing happens, so hit submit again and maybe a 3rd or 4th time only to see you now have 3 or 4 identical posts. Doesn't happen often, but maybe once a month or so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, BubbaT said: It won’t be even close to an overpay as the cap goes skyrocketing. Better get used to seeing much bigger annualized numbers on every position including ST. I think 10 mil over 3 years for his services is fine. I thought the same thing too though about paying the "role players." He is making the tackle, cleaning it up, or the next closest guy on seemingly every special teams play. Brings big time energy and isn't scared to make the pads click clack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. Imagine reading this paragraph in like 2015 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: Good to see Siran wrapped up a new deal Have to keep him fresh until week one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalosouth said: I think 10 mil over 3 years for his services is fine. I thought the same thing too though about paying the "role players." He is making the tackle, cleaning it up, or the next closest guy on seemingly every special teams play. Brings big time energy and isn't scared to make the pads click clack. I'm guessing it's closer to $8 million in real cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. That’s exactly what they did with Neal. They coached him up and rewarded him. That’s been Beane’s philosophy from the beginning. I doubt this deal prevents us from addressing other needs. Edited February 23, 2022 by Bangarang 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm guessing it's closer to $8 million in real cap. Spread out over 3 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 All that matters is if this signing is going to help us win the Super Bowl. Who cares if we keep a lot of our own players or not. We were not good enuf overall to win the Super Bowl last year. Our QB was. Our WR's were. The defense was not. Siran Neal is a decent player. But that looks like a lot of money for a guy that does not start or play a LOT on offense or defense. Hopefully his cap hit next year is low. Have nothing against him. But not sure he is much of a difference maker is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: That’s exactly what they did with Neal. They coached him up and rewarded him. That’s been Beane’s philosophy from the beginning. I doubt this deal prevents us from addressing other needs. But you can’t reward everybody right? Beane and McDermott have us in a great spot but it just seems like the teams who actually win Super Bowls have more of a mix of homegrown guys and outside free agents to get them over the hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I'd feel worse about spending money on a special teamer if the cupboard wasn't completely bare in terms of DB depth behind our starters. I never want Neal to start a game, but I can certainly think of worse things that signing a guy who you've brought up through your system as a known quantity at what appears to be a very reasonable veteran depth deal. I feel better about this than I do Mario Addison or AJ Klein. Once they started using Klein the way they should have from the beginning, he turned into a solid player on the defense and had a few outstanding games. Addison though? I was never really excited about that signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: But you can’t reward everybody right? Beane and McDermott have us in a great spot but it just seems like the teams who actually win Super Bowls have more of a mix of homegrown guys and outside free agents to get them over the hump. They aren’t rewarding everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: But you can’t reward everybody right? Beane and McDermott have us in a great spot but it just seems like the teams who actually win Super Bowls have more of a mix of homegrown guys and outside free agents to get them over the hump. I really dont think that will be possible. They appear to be rewarding a player they drafted and coached up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. They let Shaq Lawson walk because he wanted too much money. Same with Jordan Phillips. They re-signed Milano, Levi Wallace, and Taron Johnson who all played important roles on the defense (coached up). It seems like they are doing exactly what you are asking them to do. 12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: But you can’t reward everybody right? Beane and McDermott have us in a great spot but it just seems like the teams who actually win Super Bowls have more of a mix of homegrown guys and outside free agents to get them over the hump. We have that mix. Diggs and Beasley were acquisitions from outside the team. Daryl Williams as well. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, MWK said: Another contract overpaying a special teamer. When will we learn????? Matakevich better be GONE after this ridiculous news Matakevich takes a pay cut. Taiwan Jones is gone I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Decent home grown player with some versatility. The price should’ve been relatively low. I didn’t realize he was so old for a guy drafted in 2018. He’ll be 28 when the season starts. this could be it for 33 yr old Taiwan Jones. Too bad the worthless ex ST coach didn't give him a shot at glory in the 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, H2o said: Probably not too expensive. Decent depth signing. 3 years 10.9 million 2 hours ago, MWK said: Another contract overpaying a special teamer. When will we learn????? Matakevich better be GONE after this ridiculous news Way more than just a special teamer...plays a key role in their big nickel package they use. Probably should actually understand what players roles are before you say dumb stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. So other teams are upgrading, Bills are not and yet we have been top5 team these past two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: At 3 million a year that is a yes He is more then just a special teams ace....he feels a specific role of the larger db that can still move around guy. I felt like he was really starting to round into form last year. IIRC, he was instrumental in helping to shut down Kelce in the regular season game at KC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Haslett_Stomp said: IIRC, he was instrumental in helping to shut down Kelce in the regular season game at KC. Yep....you need to use him correctly he is like a small linebacker on defense...he isnt overly tall but he is biult like a brick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, section122 said: They let Shaq Lawson walk because he wanted too much money. Same with Jordan Phillips. They re-signed Milano, Levi Wallace, and Taron Johnson who all played important roles on the defense (coached up). It seems like they are doing exactly what you are asking them to do. We have that mix. Diggs and Beasley were acquisitions from outside the team. Daryl Williams as well. Fair enough. I’m just saying everything has an opportunity cost. As another poster above pointed out, these are uptown problems but recent Super Bowl winners seem to be built differently. More upper end guys and more guys on rookie deals contributing. Less mid-tier guys on their 2nd contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Two big points- we don't know the actual value of contract so it might not be an overpay and second how do you want Beane to evolve? We have an elite team and are one of the favorites for the Super Bowl next year. Two big points- we don't know the actual value of contract so it might not be an overpay and second how do you want Beane to evolve? We have an elite team and are one of the favorites for the Super Bowl next year. Two big points- we don't know the actual value of contract so it might not be an overpay and second how do you want Beane to evolve? We have an elite team and are one of the favorites for the Super Bowl next year. I want him to understand you can't waste cap space on STs when you have a star QB on a massive contract along with others like White, Edmunds, Oliver, Diggs and others that have been paid or will be paid large dollars. Evolving means go all in to win now. Win now is not wasting cap space on a gunner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, NewEra said: A contract like what? You have no idea what the contract entails except 3 years and the max amount after incentives..….and you’re going to compare it to something? Cmon Dr. Do better Highest paid special teams player in NFL is not how you win with the second highest paid QB. What does he do that any UDFA can't do??? He's a gunner that plays some defensive snaps from time to time. Someone posted 140 defensive snaps. That's 9 a game. Again he's a nice little player that you use while he is cheap and then you replace him with another guy just like him late in the draft or as a UDFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t have a problem with the signing but at what point does Beane tell his coaches that they gotta coach up the young guys so we have the money for a guy or guys who can get us over hump? Other teams seem to make tough decisions with their own guys so they can bring in upgrades. Bills seem to never let anybody go. Holy crap, after 20 years of NEVER re-signing our own players and overpaying for mediocre free agents, this is what we're going to B word about? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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