A Positive way to look at last Sunday

[MAJBobby]

Yeah it Sucks. Because this was going to the Super Bowl. I get it. I have lived through four straight losses. However that being said. 
 

What Sunday sealed for me if our window is wide open for the next Decade and a Half. 
 

Josh. Just please for the love us everything holy. GET ME ONE!!!!!  Get me a single trophy and I can forget ALL the hurt to get us there. 
 

now on to my offseason stuff on State of the Bills posts. 

[PetermansRedemption]

I have to believe that with Tre, the defense makes at least one play. And that’s really all it would have took. Add in a CB with pick 25, some OL depth, and maybe an edge rusher. Could be even better next season. We will see. 

[Talley56]

Positive way looking at Sunday: I don't have to request off from work on Monday 2/14.

[Governor]

I don’t think Josh will stay 3 more years if we keep losing like that. Everyone has a limit.

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah it Sucks. Because this was going to the Super Bowl. I get it. I have lived through four straight losses. However that being said. 
 

What Sunday sealed for me if our window is wide open for the next Decade and a Half. 
 

Josh. Just please for the love us everything holy. GET ME ONE!!!!!  Get me a single trophy and I can forget ALL the hurt to get us there. 

now on to my offseason stuff on State of the Bills posts. 

He will

[Special K]

Take Kelce off the Chiefs and put him on the Bills, and the Bills win by 2+ TD’s.

[billsfan714]

Im slowly trying to come around to the positive, despite the coaching breakdown.   I just dont see a whole lot we need on offense.  If you can hang with the Chiefs, the offense is pretty good.   Seems the area for improvement is on the D.   The pass rush almost got there aint going to cut it against that team.  Positives: Diggs and Davis, is a pretty good combo, Beasley fills his role very well.   Singletary and the running game improved as the year went on.  Knox could take another step and add some more yards receiving to the TDs.  Got high TDs, middle of the pack yards.   

 

This team could be a destination for vets that want one more crack at the ring.    If you can turn this D up just a few notches, I think were as complete as anyone.   Chiefs D line has more talent than ours.   McD will have to up his game also.  Show me some good defensive scheming.  Next year is the year for bold moves by Beane.  Some vet comes on the trade market, he needs to be ready.

Edited January 28, 2022 by billsfan714

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I have to believe that with Tre, the defense makes at least one play. And that’s really all it would have took. Add in a CB with pick 25, some OL depth, and maybe an edge rusher. Could be even better next season. We will see. 

That's exactly what we need. Best CB we can draft @ 25 to compliment Tre. A 2nd round IOL. Maybe find a diamond in the rough pass rusher in the 3rd.  If we lose both coordinators we'll have at least (3) 3rd round picks. A speed WR and a late round RB. Would love Scherff or Chandler Jones as a FA.

[Joe Ferguson]

13 ***** seconds. I'm still pissed.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I wish all the JA doubters would own up to it. I own up to my takes that end up being off. Half this board was ready to get rid of him after year 2. 

I may be wrong about Edmunds but I was right about Allen. Id rather get the QB right; everyone else can be replaced.

If McD wins a trophy I will be happy to say I was wrong. But I still believe he is more of an impediment than an asset at this point. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

Take Kelce off the Chiefs and put him on the Bills, and the Bills win by 2+ TD’s.

 

Are we allowed to do that? Do you think someone might notice? 

 

 

I like Knox a LOT, but he can’t be our only TE, which feels to be the case. Every team has needs and salary cap concerns. I feel like our FO is a bit smarter than most. It’s been a LONG tome since I trusted them so much. 

[LABILLBACKER]

22 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

13 ***** seconds. I'm still pissed.

We're wired to somewhat accept physical mistakes. But mental mistakes by coaches should never be tolerated. Josh is going to have to be so damn great to cover up the gameday flaws of McDermott. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Doc Brown]

15 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I wish all the JA doubters would own up to it. I own up to my takes that end up being off. Half this board was ready to get rid of him after year 2. 

I may be wrong about Edmunds but I was right about Allen. Id rather get the QB right; everyone else can be replaced.

If McD wins a trophy I will be happy to say I was wrong. But I still believe he is more of an impediment than an asset at this point. 

I thought we made a mistake drafting him but I doubt half this board wanted him gone after year 2.  

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

Take Kelce off the Chiefs and put him on the Bills, and the Bills win by 2+ TD’s.

I frickin hated watching him dawdle around to his sets... I watched it through the entire game.  Gotta admit tho, whatever that stumbling around he was doing pre-snap, he was effective. 

[Freddie's Dead]

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah it Sucks. Because this was going to the Super Bowl. I get it. I have lived through four straight losses. However that being said. 
 

What Sunday sealed for me if our window is wide open for the next Decade and a Half. 
 

Josh. Just please for the love us everything holy. GET ME ONE!!!!!  Get me a single trophy and I can forget ALL the hurt to get us there. 
 

now on to my offseason stuff on State of the Bills posts. 

 

 

I felt this way after they went ahead with the FIRST TD late........that Josh Allen had just proven to me and anyone else that he was going to an MVP type player for a long time..........even though I was certain that KC would absolutely march down the field playing 4 down football, kill the clock and score a TD and beat the Bills and their tired defense at that point.

 

So it wasn't hard for me to get back there after Hill scored quick and everything else that ended up happening.

 

Couple hours after the game I was done with the what-if's.............the team as a whole didn't play well enough to warrant all that hand-wringing that is going on about the "13 seconds".

 

They didn't earn the right to win that game.........they only almost got lucky because of a 1 man show that Allen put on.

[PetermansRedemption]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I felt this way after they went ahead with the FIRST TD late........that Josh Allen had just proven to me and anyone else that he was going to an MVP type player for a long time..........even though I was certain that KC would absolutely march down the field playing 4 down football, kill the clock and score a TD and beat the Bills and their tired defense at that point.

 

So it wasn't hard for me to get back there after Hill scored quick and everything else that ended up happening.

 

Couple hours after the game I was done with the what-if's.............the team as a whole didn't play well enough to warrant all that hand-wringing that is going on about the "13 seconds".

 

They didn't earn the right to win that game.........they only almost got lucky because of a 1 man show that Allen put on.

Agreed, but I’d argue for a 2 man show. Even if Allen was the one delivering the ball, Davis with 4 TDS was balling out. 

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Im slowly trying to come around to the positive, despite the coaching breakdown.   I just dont see a whole lot we need on offense.  If you can hang with the Chiefs, the offense is pretty good.   Seems the area for improvement is on the D.   The pass rush almost got there aint going to cut it against that team.  Positives: Diggs and Davis, is a pretty good combo, Beasley fills his role very well.   Singletary and the running game improved as the year went on.  Knox could take another step and add some more yards receiving to the TDs.  Got high TDs, middle of the pack yards.   

 

This team could be a destination for vets that want one more crack at the ring.    If you can turn this D up just a few notches, I think were as complete as anyone.   Chiefs D line has more talent than ours.   McD will have to up his game also.  Show me some good defensive scheming.  Next year is the year for bold moves by Beane.  Some vet comes on the trade market, he needs to be ready.

 
It’s not the pass rush, it’s the coverage.  To get to the Super Bowl right now, it’s getting past Mahomes throwing to T.Hill and Kelce.  As when Brady was on the Pats, you’re not likely to get to Mahomes and if you blitz, he’ll tear the defense to shreds.  You have to do more to disrupt the passes to Hill & Kelce and letting them run free while 4 rushers don’t get there was dumb and not going to work.

 

We’ll see what happens on Sunday but Cincinnati with Burrows and those receivers are tough to stop also.  Their RB in Dixon is better than what we have and I’d argue that their TE Uzomah is close enough to Knox.  
 

The Bills have also shown they can’t beat Tennessee either, Moreno due to being unable to stop Henry.

 

As others have said, fortunately Cinn beat Tennessee which meant we didn’t have to face either of them, but would’ve faced the Bengals if we beat KC.  The stars were aligned for us and they blew it!  As the late Denny Green famously said “They are who we thought they were and we let’em off the hook!” (Slams fist on lectern)

 

Now, if Denver were to acquire Rodgers or Brady, that could be a 4th tough team we’d have to get by.

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Special K said:

Take Kelce off the Chiefs and put him on the Bills, and the Bills win by 2+ TD’s.

If that's true, then why for the love of God are people talking about drafting a defensive lineman, a CB, or a frigging LB! 

 

Go find me another Kelce!  I am hoping Knox turns into one!

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I thought we made a mistake drafting him but I doubt half this board wanted him gone after year 2.  

 

Likewise. I hated the pick, it is well known. I thought there were flashes of the playmaking year 1 and was generally happy with where he was, let alone after year 2. In fact not once since that draft have I said we need to move on from Josh Allen. I think any Bills fan who has is guilty of too much impatience.

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

13 ***** seconds. I'm still pissed.

It is still tough to take, no doubt.

 

But consider this: the game was basically a rematch of last year's championship game.

 

We played to basically the same level 2 seasons in a row.

 

The difference is that last year we were OUTCLASSED by KC and had no shot against them.

This year, we played them even and in fact should have won the game.

 

We made a big improvement from last year to this year IMO.

 

Not reflected in the record or how deep we went in the playoffs--technically speaking--but an improvement nonetheless.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

If that's true, then why for the love of God are people talking about drafting a defensive lineman, a CB, or a frigging LB! 

 

Go find me another Kelce!  I am hoping Knox turns into one!

 

 

 

Cos personally this year I don't believe that was true. It was more true in last year's AFCCG. 

 

That said for the first two days of the draft no DL or LB please.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah it Sucks. Because this was going to the Super Bowl. I get it. I have lived through four straight losses. However that being said. 
 

What Sunday sealed for me if our window is wide open for the next Decade and a Half. 
 

Josh. Just please for the love us everything holy. GET ME ONE!!!!!  Get me a single trophy and I can forget ALL the hurt to get us there. 
 

now on to my offseason stuff on State of the Bills posts. 

 

Josh was perfect. McDermott blew it worse than any coach has ever blown any game like that.
 

At least Norwood was trying to make the kick. Wade could’ve told them to watch for the lateral, but can you really blame him? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

 

Josh was perfect. McDermott blew it worse than any coach has ever blown any game like that.
 

At least Norwood was trying to make the kick. Wade could’ve told them to watch for the lateral, but can you really blame him? 

There's no way they should have lost that game.  The coaches just went stupid with the defensive game plan.  I'm talking the entire game.  And the last 13 seconds just magnified that problem to the extreme.  They probably presented the only defensive alignment you can draw up that would give an offense the chance to get into FG range in that situation.   They were so afraid of giving up the big play over the top that they forgot about giving up two very easy pitch and catch plays underneath to get the necessary yardage.  And did they even realize the Chiefs had all three time outs?  They played it like they had none.  In their wildest dreams Reid and the Chiefs could not have expected a better situation to be presented to them on those last few plays.  It couldn't have been any easier.  I mean what were Frazier and McDermott thinking?  What's the worst thing we can do?  Okay, let's try that!

 

Not a single pass defended was recorded by the defense during the entire game.  How's that possible?  As another poster pointed out on another topic playing the safeties so deep on almost every play made it a 9 on 11 game for the Chiefs.  But after the game the HC explains it away as an execution problem.  Sure it was.  Nobody believes that.  They too the defense and made them play passive and made them think too much rather than just go out and make plays. 

 

The positive is this passive approach to defense against the Chiefs needs to be replaced with something a little more aggressive and a little more creative.  All doubts about that are gone.  They coached out the defense's instincts and aggressiveness.  A change is needed.  As the defense needs to adopt the persona of the offense.  Go for it!  And stop playing scared.  Our HC learned to be more aggressive with the offense.  Now he needs to learn with the defense and overcome his natural tendencies to play it the too safe. 

 

The other positive is this game confirms Josh Allen is a superstar.  And now the job is to provide him some protection, and a better running game to keep him healthy and dialing back on the designed runs in the game plan to cut the hits on our QB next season.

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[The Wiz]

We are trending in the right direction.

 

[Greg S]

7 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

13 ***** seconds. I'm still pissed.

 

Same here. I don't think I will get over it until the Bills get back into the playoffs and make another run. I said it before but the Bills should have held Hill and Kelce at the LOS and take the 5 yard holding penalty. Chiefs get it at the 30 but so what. They would have only had about 6 or 7 seconds left. Time for only a hail mary and that is assuming Mahomes can reach the end zone from 70 yards away

[HOUSE]

This was going to the Super Bowl, you don't get it....haaaaaaa

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I have to believe that with Tre, the defense makes at least one play. And that’s really all it would have took. Add in a CB with pick 25, some OL depth, and maybe an edge rusher. Could be even better next season. We will see. 

Denver went out and got good corners this past offseason and their D gave KC a ton of trouble. I'm down with a CB at 25 IF of course it's a player they believe and have a high grade on. If they're tied at WR and CB in their evaluation for BPA, I'm taking CB.

Edited January 28, 2022 by dave mcbride

[Greg S]

Look at what one of my co-workers (Jets fan) sent me. Bastard.

[zow2]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

There's no way they should have lost that game.  The coaches just went stupid with the defensive game plan.  I'm talking the entire game.  And the last 13 seconds just magnified that problem to the extreme.  They probably presented the only defensive alignment you can draw up that would give an offense the chance to get into FG range in that situation.   They were so afraid of giving up the big play over the top that they forgot about giving up two very easy pitch and catch plays underneath to get the necessary yardage.  And did they even realize the Chiefs had all three time outs?  They played it like they had none.  In their wildest dreams Reid and the Chiefs could not have expected a better situation to be presented to them on those last few plays.  It couldn't have been any easier.  I mean what were Frazier and McDermott thinking?  What's the worst thing we can do?  Okay, let's try that!

 

Not a single pass defended was recorded by the defense during the entire game.  How's that possible?  As another poster pointed out on another topic playing the safeties so deep on almost every play made it a 9 on 11 game for the Chiefs.  But after the game the HC explains it away as an execution problem.  Sure it was.  Nobody believes that.  They too the defense and made them play passive and made them think too much rather than just go out and make plays. 

 

The positive is this passive approach to defense against the Chiefs needs to be replaced with something a little more aggressive and a little more creative.  All doubts about that are gone.  They coached out the defense's instincts and aggressiveness.  A change is needed.  As the defense needs to adopt the persona of the offense.  Go for it!  And stop playing scared.  Our HC learned to be more aggressive with the offense.  Now he needs to learn with the defense and overcome his natural tendencies to play it the too safe. 

 

The other positive is this game confirms Josh Allen is a superstar.  And now the job is to provide him some protection, and a better running game to keep him healthy and dialing back on the designed runs in the game plan to cut the hits on our QB next season.

 

 

Frazier and McD deserve to be roasted for the defensive scheme in those last 13 seconds but where were Hyde and Poyer?  They are supposed to be vets and almost like coaches on the field.  They should have been doing something out there to get the guys aligned and playing up tight, so as soon as someone caught the ball, immediate tackle.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I'd say the window is about 10 years, especially within the next 2 or 3 while Josh is still a great duel threat. In the later years, he won't be running like that. 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Agreed, but I’d argue for a 2 man show. Even if Allen was the one delivering the ball, Davis with 4 TDS was balling out. 

Not even Jerry Rice had a playoff game like that. Can we please leave Gabe as our WR2 and stop being stupid by minimizing his targets. 

[Greg S]

6 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I'd say the window is about 10 years, especially within the next 2 or 3 while Josh is still a great duel threat. In the later years, he won't be running like that. 

 

Elway could never win one when he was somewhat of a duel threat. He didn't run like Josh but he ran effectively. Once he got older and became more of a pocket passer he won two Super Bowls. Of course he also didn't need to run when he had Terrell Davis. As for the window being open it depends on the job Beane does with future drafts, FA, and managing the cap. The Pats kept their window open for about 20 years. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I'd say the window is about 10 years, especially within the next 2 or 3 while Josh is still a great duel threat. In the later years, he won't be running like that. 

This is so true. If we want to utilize his legs, we gotta get one before he turns 30. Then I think he'll get another later on down the road as a cagey veteran. 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 hours ago, Governor said:

I don’t think Josh will stay 3 more years if we keep losing like that. Everyone has a limit.

 

You are the person in your avatar, aren't you?

[ProcessTruster]

Beane will add more quality pieces and they'll go get after it again in 6 months. 

 

no "rebuilding",

no "oh my gosh the schedule is so tough" ,

no "our QB isn't good enough" ,

no " we are in Cap jail",

no, "rick dennison is our OC and we are screwed"

 

none of these.  gotta love what the Bills are now.     

[hondo in seattle]

Josh is a Super Bowl caliber QB.

 

Beane has built something that's close to being a SB caliber roster.

 

McD ended the drought and has only missed the playoffs once.  

 

It seems like good things are coming together.

If I have a worry, it's this...   What makes Josh so terrifying isn't just his arm talent, it's his ability to make plays on the run.   So maybe we have a five-year prime window?  

[Greg S]

7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Josh is a Super Bowl caliber QB.

 

Beane has built something that's close to being a SB caliber roster.

 

McD ended the drought and has only missed the playoffs once.  

 

It seems like good things are coming together.

If I have a worry, it's this...   What makes Josh so terrifying isn't just his arm talent, it's his ability to make plays on the run.   So maybe we have a five-year prime window?  

 

I think our window can be longer depending on how well Beane can put a competitive team around Josh. When he gets older and becomes more of a pocket passer I don't think it will take away from his effectiveness at all given the way he throws the ball. Think of how Elway's career went. I could see a similar type of career for Josh.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Greg S

[What a Tuel]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You are the person in your avatar, aren't you?

 

I'm not that poster, but I do worry about how much mental anguish this team can take being so close year after year. Kind of like Rodgers in Green Bay.

 

Allen isn't going anywhere though.

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Cos personally this year I don't believe that was true. It was more true in last year's AFCCG. 

 

That said for the first two days of the draft no DL or LB please.

Disagree with the first sentence; highly agree with the second.

 

😁