Bills' Situation Reminds me of Atlanta

[Back2Buff]

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

[clayboy54]

Of all places to choose, Atlanta? Geez.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

First off...I'm pretty sure a lot of the poor weather conditions played into that more than anything else. Second, it's McD's team. He would have the right to do so. He's the boss.

 

Also, did you actually watch and see how productive the run game was down the stretch? If McDermott altered anything...he should have done it sooner because it worked very well. If Daboll had to be forced by McD to alter his gameplans (as you assert) then Daboll isn't as good as he gets credit for.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

 

If McDermott weighed in and the offensive playcalling was altered down the stretch, why is that "nonsense"? 

 

We went 4-1 down the stretch with an effective run game.

 

Also, Atlanta?  Seriously? 

[Royale with Cheese]

22 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

 

First off, after mid year, we averaged 29 points per game lol.  

 

Kyle Shanahan career record as a coach is 39-42.  If McDermott had that record, you would flip your ****.  

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Allen > Ryan ....by a mile..........

[Boatdrinks]

Not every situation has a direct parallel. The Bills situation is it’s own. I’d like the Bills to promote from within on the offensive side if Daboll goes. Anything else would be a step back while the team is in a championship window. 

[dorquemada]

The only parallel i fear is that the stink of losing this game sticks with the team.   Atlanta hasn't been the same since then.  Allen is better than matty ice in every single way, and a much better leader to boot, so hopefully not. 

[whorlnut]

33 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

We aren’t losing Daboll to keep McD. Just stop with that. Daboll is getting a HC job and has earned it. 
 

That said, I think McD expedited his hot seat with Sunday’s meltdown. If he wasn’t on it before, he is certainly at least on watch heading into next year. I agree with you that it concerns me that he is a mostly defensive minded coach and it does concern me on what is going to happen on the offensive side of the ball. That’s why I’m hoping we keep Dorsey around, especially after Allen all but made a mess over himself when dorsey’s name was brought up. 
 

I think this is a huge off-season for both McD and Beane. We need to get Allen everything he needs and spend some premium resources on weapons and protection. I’m not talking about aging veterans and third round picks. I’m talking a splash on offense and first and/or second round picks. We have spent heavily on defense and it’s time to develop them. 
 

IMO, If McBeane doesn’t address offense in a big way in favor of the defense, and we fail…they are gone. Sundays game was brutal and is a terrible look McD. 

[May Day 10]

I was worried after last season that the Bills could be an Atlanta/Carolina/Philadelphia.  Get their nice run, everyone thinks they are the template for the NFL, then crash hard.  

 

This season put me at ease a bit.  Mainly because of Josh Allen.  His play is pretty consistent and sustainable.  I also believe we have even-keeled management and coaching in place who are willing and capable of self-reflection and adapting.

[Mr. WEO]

Atlanta Falcons are a dead in the water franchise.  Quinn was awful and fired too late.

[st pete gogolak]

51 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

LOL. You really believe Daboll is the main reason for this team's success?

[Matt_In_NH]

Both had coaching blunders....the comparisons stop there though.  One was monumental and in addition to coaching, players choked for Atlanta.   You can find many other games where some bad calls flipped a close game.  

[Roundybout]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Atlanta Falcons are a dead in the water franchise.  Quinn was awful and fired too late.

 

They had no real leadership playerwise either. Ryan was a solid quarterback but he wasn't really a "leader of men" like I can see Josh being. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

They had no real leadership playerwise either. Ryan was a solid quarterback but he wasn't really a "leader of men" like I can see Josh being. 

 

 

Ryan's a bum.  He's Vinny Testeverdi, but with only 1 team.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

This is a terrible take.

 

Bring this take out to the back of the house, put it on the grill, light it on fire, and walk away.

Edited January 25, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan

[NewEra]

Another unsurprisingly terrible take.  Who woulda thunk?

[Ross Murdock]

Atlanta and Buffalo both have an A, otherwise this is a stretch on every level. Next.  

[Back2Buff]

People in this thread are really underestimating what an OC can do for an offense. Just because you have a good QB doesn’t mean your offense will automatically just roll. Look at Ryan with and without Shanny. Look at how many coordinators Big Ben went through. Look at Rodgers and the issues he had with coaches. 
 

When u find an offense that works, that should trump a defensive coach. 

[TheFunPolice]

Not even close. 

 

Let's not forget... EVERY huge comeback requires the other team to screw up immensely. 

 

Rams/Tampa game: 27-3.

 

Rams fumble 4 times and missed a FG. One fumble was at the 1 yard line. Worst case scenario that's 3 points. Make the FG you missed and that's 3 more points. Even with the 3 other fumbles and other assorted *****ery all staying the same Tampa never has a chance no matter what they do. 

 

For Tom Brady (and it was ALL BRADY!) to tie that game when it was 27-3, these things had to ALL happen:

 

Akers fumbles at the 1 right before half so the lead isn't bigger

Kupp fumbles in 2nd half to set Tampa right up to score

Akers fumbles in 2nd half to set Tampa right up to score

Center snaps the ball 20 feet over Stafford's head THE PLAY AFTER Brady is strip sacked to set the Rams right up in scoring position to ice the game. 

 

If ANY 1 of those things does not happen the Rams win by 7+ and probably 10+

 

It took 4 incredibly self-destructive plays by the Rams to set Brady (AND IT WAS ALL BRADY MAGIC!) up to tie the game. Either way, they made the play at the end to seal it. 

 

Let's not forget: SO DID THE FALCONS!

 

Brady gets to within 8 late in the Super Bowl and Matty Ice hits a strike to Julio Jones who makes a huge catch all the way down to the NE 20 (ish). You're inside of 3 minutes, around the NE 20, with an already 8 point lead. 

 

THE GAME WAS OVER. Only (ONLY) a tremendously dumb and unlikely series of events by the Falcons botched that. 

 

They pass (dumb) and it's incomplete. 

HOLDING CALL on a run (ehh, refs were going to do their part so I'm not going to go crazy there)

SACK (absolutely box full of rocks STUPID to take that sack or even call a pass there). 

 

And they don't get to try the FG, which would have given the Falcons an 11 point lead with 2 minutes to go. 

 

EVERY "Magic" comeback requires the other team helping by being dumb. 

 

 

[Nextmanup]

I think there is a contingent of Bills fans out there that would argue in support of retaining Daboll, promoting him to head coach HERE, and letting McDermott go.

 

That may not be a bad idea.  It may not be the right idea, either...but it merits consideration.

 

 

[Success]

It doesn't remind me of that at all.

 

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I think there is a contingent of Bills fans out there that would argue in support of retaining Daboll, promoting him to head coach HERE, and letting McDermott go.

 

That may not be a bad idea.  It may not be the right idea, either...but it merits consideration.

 

 

 

Appreciate you understanding what I'm saying.

 

Can't wait to read the boards when the offense takes a step back next year.  

[Jay_Fixit]

I’m more worried about losing a sock than I am about the Bills losing Daboll.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I agree about McD being problematic…but 17 is too good to let the rest happen.
 

We’ll always be at least good while Josh is here and healthy…but whether we’ll be good enough at some point to be able to mask McD enough to take it all the way will be the question. Hopefully the answer will be yes. 

[corta765]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not every situation has a direct parallel. The Bills situation is it’s own. I’d like the Bills to promote from within on the offensive side if Daboll goes. Anything else would be a step back while the team is in a championship window. 

 

Agreed. I feel like everyone wants parallels good or bad but in truth many times the path is unique in its own right.

[LifeLongFan]

 A look into the draft!

 

We should do everything in our Power to Trade Tremaine Edmunds for a #2/3 pick and use it manoeuvre and navigate in this years draft.  We are so close!!

 

Our top Priority should be LB Devin Loyd from Utah  - We need speed at Linebacker and this guy is a game wrecker!  We would most likely have to trade up 5+ spots to snag him!

 

We should also be looking at Dahan Dotson (WR) from Penn State- He has improved a lot and runs a 4.3  ( I will assume that we may or may not re sign Mckenzie)

 

In addition- another Linebacker in 2nd/3rd round we should be all over is Darrian Beavers- This guy is a beast.

 

WE NEED to get faster PERIOD!  All Bills Mafia are sick of seeing horrendous coverage in the middle of the field by our backers and people running down hill at them all day!  

 

I am ok if we need to give up some additional capital, use the pick for Edmunds to move up if need be...   2/3 of these guys would be unreallll

 

All (3) and I don't see us losing a game next year!   I am serious lol...... 

 

no champagne for the Dolphins in 2022

 

 

 

[SCBills]

No, we don’t seem like Atlanta at all.  
 

A team with a 25 year old Josh Allen cannot he compared to that.  

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Atlanta made it to the 2016 Super Bowl and lost in heart breaking fashion.

 

I remember at that time Dan Quinn was getting a lot of heat, and the big situation looming over the organization, was Kyle Shanahan becoming a HC at the end of the year.

 

At the time, there were some out there saying in today's NFL, you have to keep the offensive coach and fire Quinn.

 

Atlanta obviously didn't and ended up firing Quinn a few seasons later, while Shanahan is viewed as a top coach in the league.

 

I'm scared of losing Daboll to keep McDermott, and what it could mean to this team.  After seeing how this team played in the playoffs, I'm pretty certain McDermott was altering playcalling mid-year with the power run nonsense they were trying to run and what McDermott was saying in press conferences.

Been listening to Nick Wright this morning I see......wait....are you Nick?

[FilthyBeast]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

First off, after mid year, we averaged 29 points per game lol.  

 

Kyle Shanahan career record as a coach is 39-42.  If McDermott had that record, you would flip your ****.  

 

I would agree here but if you are looking at postseason only, Shanahan is already better by default because he's been to a SB and came within blowing a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter of winning it. And even if their season ends on Sunday against the Rams he's still the better postseason HC compared to McDermott as of today based on total W/L and how far they've been in 2 playoff runs vs 4 with McDermott and the Bills.

[wppete]

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think there is a contingent of Bills fans out there that would argue in support of retaining Daboll, promoting him to head coach HERE, and letting McDermott go.

 

That may not be a bad idea.  It may not be the right idea, either...but it merits consideration.

 

There are fans on here who advocate driving rusty nails through their scrotums. I suspect there's a crossover between these two groups. 

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I was worried after last season that the Bills could be an Atlanta/Carolina/Philadelphia.  Get their nice run, everyone thinks they are the template for the NFL, then crash hard.  

 

This season put me at ease a bit.  Mainly because of Josh Allen.  His play is pretty consistent and sustainable.  I also believe we have even-keeled management and coaching in place who are willing and capable of self-reflection and adapting.

Many people said this about the team last year

[Max Fischer]

Well, Atlanta and Buffalo are cities that have NFL teams. The comparisons seem to end there. McDermott is a top flight coach and is will be around for a very long time. 

[billsfan714]

If Shanny had called 3 running plays and they kicked a FG after Julio's first down,  the game would of been iced and the Falcons would have a SB. 

[Repulsif]

don't shoot the op I was thinking the same thing

ie a true devastating loss could erase motivation for some keyplayers, Atlanta never recovered from this loss

Nobody the 30 for 30 and hear some key players (thurman?) say after the 4th SB ok it's enough I'm done ?

We will see what happens in the upcoming year, it could go mission mode, or fizzle mode

You can't know

And again you can't know what can happen next year (Chargers go rampage, Rams going wild after their SB win, you just can't know

Only thing I know is it was the best opportunity to grab the Lombardy since SB28

 

For sur Allen isn't Ryan and Buffalo isn't Atlanta, it's like comparing apples to oranges. But it's still fruits. You can't win football alone. See Marino(Elway a big part of his career/Bress/Rodgers/etc)

Edited January 26, 2022 by Repulsif

[Back2Buff]

10 hours ago, Repulsif said:

don't shoot the op I was thinking the same thing

ie a true devastating loss could erase motivation for some keyplayers, Atlanta never recovered from this loss

Nobody the 30 for 30 and hear some key players (thurman?) say after the 4th SB ok it's enough I'm done ?

We will see what happens in the upcoming year, it could go mission mode, or fizzle mode

You can't know

And again you can't know what can happen next year (Chargers go rampage, Rams going wild after their SB win, you just can't know

Only thing I know is it was the best opportunity to grab the Lombardy since SB28

 

For sur Allen isn't Ryan and Buffalo isn't Atlanta, it's like comparing apples to oranges. But it's still fruits. You can't win football alone. See Marino(Elway a big part of his career/Bress/Rodgers/etc)

 

In the superbowl year, Matt Ryan put up 4944 yards, 70% completion, 38 TDs, and 7 ints.

 

Let's stop acting like Allen now is way better than Ryan in his prime.