With the 25th Pick in the 2022 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Your 1 tech isn't a nose tackle........he still needs to be able to make plays...........Davis doesn't do that.

 

His 2021 production was pretty anemic actually.

 

14 games 32 tackles 5 TFL and 2 sacks

 

Harrison Phillips senior year line at Stanford:

 

14 games 98 tackles 17 TFL and 7.5 sacks

 

Phillips is a true 1 tech who is coming into his own now............they need a backup to him but they don't need to use a first round pick there.

 

Support the QB.........Allen can't endure the kind of beating he took running the ball that much year after year...........he needs playmakers and blocking and those take HUGE precedence over a filling a run defense role.

 

 

Eh Davis only played 45% of defensive snaps because Georgia had so many freaks on that line, so using counting stats is not the proper way to grade him at all.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

CB, DL, Big Nickel, TE, C/G, WR, RB, P- Lets get Josh some new toys, and fix pass rush and defense

 

I didn't want to say the quiet part out loud coming into this week. With Tre out, I was thinking that for this game having JOK over Groot would have been nice.

 

Really hoping Groot pans out. Basham has had some good moments. Oliver is becoming a  real player teams need to account for. Philips is becoming a good piece. 

 

Having JOK out there would have been nice with Kelce...

[BillMafia716ix]

Package the picks and go trade for a pass rusher!

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Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

My problem is that the Broncos were shopping Kyle Fuller at the deadline and Beane stood pat. A former All Pro 2 years ago. Not sure of the compensation, but I would’ve given up at least a 3rd for him. 

Understandable. I think Levi and Dane Jackson did good for most of the year, but athletically they do not match up well against the Kelce’s and Hill’s of the world. I’m not sure what Kyle Fuller’s contract is like or if that played a role in it, but it’s possible.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Just now, Bill from NYC said:

It is supposed to be not such a great year for corners, so let's draft the 6th or 7th rated corner out there and make him a multi-millionaire!!!

 

Pretty sure it's actually a very good DB class especially for 4-7 that will have first round grades on them.

[Bill from NYC]

Just now, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

 

Pretty sure it's actually a very good DB class especially for 4-7 that will have first round grades on them.

In that case they will probably go safety. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I didn't want to say the quiet part out loud coming into this week. With Tre out, I was thinking that for this game having JOK over Groot would have been nice.

 

Really hoping Groot pans out. Basham has had some good moments. Oliver is becoming a  real player teams need to account for. Philips is becoming a good piece. 

 

Having JOK out there would have been nice with Kelce...

They could’ve just played Siran Neal. They didn’t 

[Buffalo Boy]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen doesn't take all that many hits...he was among the least sacked QBs in the NFL, so that eliminates a lot of hits on him and most times he is delivering the blows rather than receiving them. He also does a good job of getting down when needed and running out of bounds.

 

He isn't Newton standing back there and getting hammered on many dropbacks.

    We have an absolute STUD of a gunslinger. Strongest arm in the league. Great pocket presence and the ability to scramble to extend plays or get firsts……. Kinda like Mahomes.

    Sell me on continuing to have him be our running game behind a mediocre O line vs actually HAVING a running game like say ….. um, er….  the Chiefs. Actually, don’t waste my time because I’m not buying.

    Protecting Josh and having a running game is the hill I’m gonna die on. 
    The moment he effs up a shoulder or a knee and he is 75% of himself is the day this whole board will be pissing and moaning about the good ol days of healthy/young Josh. Have some foresight.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

 

Eh Davis only played 45% of defensive snaps because Georgia had so many freaks on that line, so using counting stats is not the proper way to grade him at all.

 

 

No......Eh.......I watched him plenty and in particular he got worn down FAST in the first matchup with Alabama..........more snaps was only going to lead to diminishing returns statistically.        

 

Now if he were a natural pass rushing prospect in addition to being a fat load..........then I would consider risking giving a very overweight player at a position with a very high bust rate a $7M signing bonus..........but he's not that kind of player.    

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

They could’ve just played Siran Neal. They didn’t 

 

I think that is chicken and egg. I think JOK changes our base defense vs. KC much more than Siran Neal. 

[FlaFitz1]

1 hour ago, FlaFitz1 said:

Daniel Jeremiah has the Bills selecting Kyler Gordon

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/kyler-gordon

 

That makes a lot of sense because Wallace is a UFA

 

I just looked through a number of mock drafts that came out today and this is what I found:

 

DJ - CB Kyler Gordon, Univ of Washington

CBS - CB Daxton Hill, Michigan

PFF - CB Andrew Booth, Clemson

Sporting News - CB Trent McDuffie, Univ of Washington

College Football News - CB Kaiir Elam, Florida

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Support the QB.........Allen can't endure the kind of beating he took running the ball that much year after year...........he needs playmakers and blocking and those take HUGE precedence over a filling a run defense role.

 

Thank you for this.

 

Many disagree (and I'm not sure why) but I think that Allen is so flat out great that he makes most of the offensive players around him look much better than they would with a human quarterback. The man is a generational talent who needs more weapons and better protection. At this point I think that he has at least as much a talent as John Elway and even more raw ability that Trevor Lawrence. Seriously.  Why consider anything else in the early rounds after the resources that we have recently devoted to the defense?

If I was Josh Allen and they drafted a first round corner I would be furious and feel alienated.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thank you for this.

 

Many disagree (and I'm not sure why) but I think that Allen is so flat out great that he makes most of the offensive players around him look much better than they would with a human quarterback. The man is a generational talent who needs more weapons and better protection. At this point I think that he has at least as much a talent as John Elway and even more raw ability that Trevor Lawrence. Seriously.  Why consider anything else in the early rounds after the resources that we have recently devoted to the defense?

If I was Josh Allen and they drafted a first round corner I would be furious and feel alienated.

 

 

 

Not to mention THEY INVESTED A QUARTER-BILLION DOLLARS IN HIM.  If that was your money at risk, wouldn't you take steps to protect it?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

IIRC it was a 7 yard run by DS, a 1 yard run by DS, and a 1 yard run by McKenzie.

 

Ah I was talking first half. Different series. Yes that one was poor too. 

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Agree, but there will be some other holes, on DL, Obada, Phillips, Butler, Hughes and Addison are FA's.

 

Gotta see how Free Agency falls out.  If you can find a Debo Samuel-ish guy that would be awesome in this offense.

Like Cordarelle Patterson on Beasley’s contract?

 

DL a thought hit me, Bills we’re getting some pressure but Mahomes would move, scramble, extend. Bills needed a lineman with plus straight line speed to make him focus less on what’s going on downfield while coasting along, and more on trying not to get buried. Someone like… Justin Zimmer?

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Not to mention THEY INVESTED A QUARTER-BILLION DOLLARS IN HIM.  If that was your money at risk, wouldn't you take steps to protect it?

Coach, the man went out in the Arctic Tundra last week and did all that could be expected of a quarterback x10. He IS the franchise so yes, they should do everything possible to help and protect him.

 

 

[filthymcnasty08]

too soon. 

[Buffalo03]

To the Bears for Khalil Mack

[GETTOTHE50]

Just get the best linebacker some how

[vincec]

A fast CB who can play man to man coverage.

 

Last year vs KC, the problem was: no pass rush and too slow in the secondary. Fast forward to this year and the problem is.... the same. With all the investment in the DL they didn't really improve much and the secondary is as slow as ever.

[Special K]

I would love to see “Sauce” Gardner CB Cincinnati on this defense, but he will be long gone by pick 25.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you targeting a position?

 

yeah, it did come across that way.  I intended to state that we need an impact front 7 in FA, then go BPA in draft.  Thanks! 

[major]

I want to skip the draft, clone Josh Allen, and let him play every position we have a need at (pretty certain he could have played safety last night)😜

[vincec]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

To the Bears for Khalil Mack

This is probably impossible, but it's really what they need. A premium pass rusher to anchor a legitimate 6 to 7 man rotation, and an end to the 11 man rotation of JAGs. Then draft a CB and let's go.

[Nitro]

Myjai Sanders Edge Rusher, Cincinnati or Trent McDuffie CB Washington.   Both are fast and have good upside. 

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Agree, but there will be some other holes, on DL, Obada, Phillips, Butler, Hughes and Addison are FA's.

 

Gotta see how Free Agency falls out.  If you can find a Debo Samuel-ish guy that would be awesome in this offense.

Yeah because “Deebo Samuel-ish” type players just fall out of trees in FA. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Go figure…. They basically brought the same exact group back with the addition of a couple rookies. 😅

 

They closed the gap due to Allen being even better than last season. It’s amazing what he does for this franchise. McBeane would be long gone if not for him. 

But let’s not mention losing our all pro cornerback.  If he’s healthy this game, we win imo. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Yeah because “Deebo Samuel-ish” type players just fall out of trees in FA. 

Well then stand under the tree and grab one for us ok?  Before NE gets him.....dont move til you get one.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

43 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thank you for this.

 

Many disagree (and I'm not sure why) but I think that Allen is so flat out great that he makes most of the offensive players around him look much better than they would with a human quarterback. The man is a generational talent who needs more weapons and better protection. At this point I think that he has at least as much a talent as John Elway and even more raw ability that Trevor Lawrence. Seriously.  Why consider anything else in the early rounds after the resources that we have recently devoted to the defense?

If I was Josh Allen and they drafted a first round corner I would be furious and feel alienated.

 

 

Awesome post, man! I completely agree with this.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

A WR with blazing speed please in round 1 is where I'm at currently. What does that landscape look like for the 2022 class?

 

 

Two of the fastest........Jameson Williams and John Metchie..........tore ACL's in the Alabama postseason.

 

They are expected to make full recoveries.........but after the injuries they both might be available at #25 when the Bills pick.

 

The question mark is how much they could contribute next season coming off those injuries...........it's a long season so if you can get one back at full speed in November you still could have 8-9 games left to utilize them.    Complicated decision.

 

Then there are a number of others who are likely late first-early 2nd rounders who aren't injured but probably not quite explosive.

 

In general it's a very good WR class again but the players with special speed as well as other early round skills will likely be gone at some point in round 2.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

In order to get to Mahomes, first you have to beat other teams. Focus all your energy into beating one team and 30 others can pass you by.

Davis is good but he's generally not the mold of a first round pick at DT

 

He projects to being a two down run stuffer in the NFL , especially in the beginning 

 

he can't run like a dareus or vea or sapp... Generally he'd be a guy you love round 2 

 

But the NFL is changing... You see Allen and mahomes run from big lineman every game and not be touched... You need tackles and ends who can run qbs down 

 

That is the premium 

 

And he's not that

 

 

 

 

 

 

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

I was going to start a separate thread with a slightly different take but I'll go with it here.  It seems to me that draft preference has changed significantly in the last eight weeks.  Eight weeks ago, I would have been all-in on interior OL, either first or second round or both.  With the way the OL performed last six weeks, not sure that's true any more.  Dawkins (who was terrific last month) coming back healthy, Bates (who I believe needs to be re-signed), Morse (assuming he doesn't retire or is a cap casualty), Williams and Brown (who I think can be an All Pro in a couple of years although Ingram abused him in the fourth quarter last night) are solid.  Add Tommy Doyle as swing tackle and Feliciano as backup IOL and I don't think we necessarily go IOL early - maybe a mid round pick.

 

RB - many folks were crying out for an early RB pick eight weeks ago.  With Singletary's play down the stretch, I don't think that's an overwhelming need.  Maybe a veteran FA RB to provide some depth.

 

DL - I don't see how you invest more draft capital in the DL.  I assume both Hughes and Addison are gone.  You've got to let the three kids play next year and hope they develop.  Maybe get a veteran FA pass rush specialist.  It's not going to happen but how about a homecoming for Kalil Mack on a short term deal?  

 

LB - Let Edmunds play out his contract.  Find a good run stuffing LB in the middle rounds and give the D some versatility.  When playing run heavy teams, play a traditional 4-3 with Edmunds outside and let's see if he can create some havoc playing for a new contract.  

 

CB - I wouldn't have said it eight weeks ago and maybe it's some recency bias but I'm all in favor of drafting a CB #1.  Let Wallace walk, sign a mid level veteran, and hope White comes back mid season in decent form. 

About RB…I disagree. I think RB is still a need, but maybe not as big a one as a few weeks ago. Singletary has stepped up, but he will never be quick enough to run away from a defense. We can absolutely upgrade at RB. 

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Davis is good but he's generally not the mold of a first round pick at DT

 

He projects to being a two down run stuffer in the NFL , especially in the beginning 

 

he can't run like a dareus or vea or sapp... Generally he'd be a guy you love round 2 

 

But the NFL is changing... You see Allen and mahomes run from big lineman every game and not be touched... You need tackles and ends who can run qbs down 

 

That is the premium 

 

And he's not that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is a monster and he is faster than some people think. I personally don’t think there’s any chance he is there when we pick.

[dave mcbride]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Go figure…. They basically brought the same exact group back with the addition of a couple rookies. 😅

 

They closed the gap due to Allen being even better than last season. It’s amazing what he does for this franchise. McBeane would be long gone if not for him. 

Disagree with the original premise. The Bills got to Mahomes a lot yesterday, but he was unreal at escaping. The Chiefs have good pass rushers too but only took Allen down twice on over 40 dropbacks (including scrambles).

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

But let’s not mention losing our all pro cornerback.  If he’s healthy this game, we win imo. 

 

 

Chiefs lost Mathieu.   Their secondary got beat up and was really depleted late.    So I wouldn't say that I'd trade those benefits for Tre White being back.........Allen really exploited those.  

 

The Chiefs also missed 2 easy kicks in the first half.

 

Bills were fortunate to get back in it late.........we shouldn't pretend like they had the game in the bag for 59:47..........there was a good deal of luck in the rope-a-dope approach on defense nearly getting them out of Arrowhead with a W.

 

I would have gladly stole a SB from them this year and relished it but they were still the slightly better team..........their playmakers had massive impact for Mahomes both on the stat sheet and how they affected the Bills D plan just by their presence on the field.     

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

He is a monster and he is faster than some people think. I personally don’t think there’s any chance he is there when we pick.

He's talented but he's not a pass rusher  

 

I've seen alot of him , he's talented but he's more of a 2 down DT .. 

 

He's not going to have many if any pass rush moves in the NFL ... He won't be able to dominate with strictly size in the NFL  

 

He's good and will probably go top 25 but he isn't a game changer .. he's a run stuffer 

 

And most teams dont wanna take a run stuffer round 1.. they want impact

 

 

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Two of the fastest........Jameson Williams and John Metchie..........tore ACL's in the Alabama postseason.

 

They are expected to make full recoveries.........but after the injuries they both might be available at #25 when the Bills pick.

 

The question mark is how much they could contribute next season coming off those injuries...........it's a long season so if you can get one back at full speed in November you still could have 8-9 games left to utilize them.    Complicated decision.

 

Then there are a number of others who are likely late first-early 2nd rounders who aren't injured but probably not quite explosive.

 

In general it's a very good WR class again but the players with special speed as well as other early round skills will likely be gone at some point in round 2.

Yes, I've been thinking this. ACL injuries generally don't scare me anymore at all. Yes, recovery times are different for everyone, but unless it's a catastrophic injury a lot of players seem to be good to go in around 9 months.  

[Iverwig]

4 hours ago, Ben said:

Nakobe Dean linebacker Georgia.

Would actually love this pick not just because of I am a UGA fan but Dean is a stud physically and will always be one of the smartest players on the field.

[34-78-83]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Yes, I've been thinking this. ACL injuries generally don't scare me anymore at all. Yes, recovery times are different for everyone, but unless it's a catastrophic injury a lot of players seem to be good to go in around 9 months.  

I believe I saw the Jameson Williams injury. He also looked like the scrawniest legged WR on the team. Speed kills but I want them to be able to hold up as well. Just a concern.

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I believe I saw the Jameson Williams injury. He also looked like the scrawniest legged WR on the team. Speed kills but I want them to be able to hold up as well. Just a concern.

Just looked it up. Apparently, Williams had a clean tear (no additional damage to other ligaments) and is expected to fully recover to a sub 4.3 speed. Honestly, though, I think the Pats will take him.

Edited January 24, 2022 by dave mcbride