According to some of these guys, it’s Allen‘s time to shine against Mahomes

[Milano]

This isn't about KC's D, it's about ours and us. This isn't about KC's offense or QB, it's about ours and us. To hell with them, Go Bills!

[iccrewman112]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

One player doesnt make a Defense.  Sorry.  Yes they made changes, just like ours changed with No Tre.  

 

But the Fact of the matter is Allen has done it against this defense this year.  

Perhaps so, but one player can break a defense. To me that player for the Chiefs is Daniel Sorensen. I would do whatever possible to get him matched up in coverage. And exploit that over and over. I think McKenzie could brutalize him with mid range crosses. Additionally Davis, Sanders and Diggs on the post corner routes should have plenty of room. Additionally when he is in zone, he loses track of players when QBs leave the pocket. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

One player doesnt make a Defense.  Sorry.  Yes they made changes, just like ours changed with No Tre.  

 

But the Fact of the matter is Allen has done it against this defense this year.  

No Ward and Ingram either 

 

[folz]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

I heard someone say this, and i agree.  Josh Allen has a history of a flub or two after an elite game.  Mahomes has shown he can string together some elite performances for a few games in a row.  It's not all on the QB, but that's the difference for the moment.  That can all change this weekend,,,   But Josh will likely need to string together 4 darn good games in a row to win the SB.

 

I keep hearing this theory/rumor that Josh can't put together back-to-back good games, he lacks consistency, etc.

 

Last season, the Bills won their last six games and then two playoff games in a row. So, they won eight games in a row. Only one of those eight games (the bad weather playoff game vs. Baltimore) did the Bills score less than 26 points. That stretch included games of 56, 48, 38, 34, 27, 27, 26, and 17 (vs. the Ravens).

 

Here is a six-game stretch (in a row) of stats from Josh last year (last 5 regular season games and WC playoff game)

Pass Yds       Rush Yds     TDs      INTs     Points/Game score

   375                11              4            0           34-24

   238                28             2            1            26-15

   359                33             4            0           48-19

   320                35             4            0           38-9

   224                3               3            1            56-26

   324                54             3            0           27-24

 

I don't know 392 total yards with 4 TDs and no picks followed up by 355 total yards with 4 TDs and no picks seems like two pretty good back-to-back games to me. There wasn't a lack of consistency down the stretch last year.

 

I think media heads (and now some fans) are taking the up-and-down year that the Bills as a team have had in 2021 and putting that all on Josh. Then just looking at the recent Atlanta/Carolina games and putting two-and-two together, but unfortunately coming up with the wrong answer.

 

If you look at just that stretch: Tampa (great Josh in 2nd half), Carolina (bad Josh), 2nd NE game (great Josh), Atlanta (bad Josh). So, yes, over that 4-game stretch, Josh was up-and-down/inconsistent. But when you weigh in the full season (and Josh's career as a whole), those are two bad games, not some overall pattern that defines Josh. Are you telling me that Rodgers, Mahomes, even Brady hasn't ever had a 2 bad games in a 4 game stretch in their careers? Does that mean they are overall inconsistent? People are still just grasping at straws to prove to themselves that Josh isn't really that good (because they originally thought he'd be trash).

 

And as to the overall ups and downs of the Bills season, they are never looking at context. They are not weighing in the offensive line issues all season until late, the team having to find its new identity, everyone gunning for us this year, defenses catching up to what we did last year, etc., etc. Did not Patrick Mahomes go through many of the same issues earlier this year as well? This year's Bills team had trouble stringing wins together at points this year, but it wasn't always and solely because Josh was having a bad game. And, having said that, the Bills and Josh still strung together 4 big games in a row early this season and now five games in a row to get to where they are now (even though there were a couple of down passing games for Josh in this last stretch).

 

In the early-season stretch, the Bills scored 35, 43, 40, 38. Josh had games of 367 yds 5 TD no INTs; 289 yds 2 TDs 1 INT; 374 yds 4 TDs no INTs; and followed that up with a 379 yds 3 TDs 1 INT performance in the loss to the Titans (but I guess because it's a loss, it doesn't count and means Josh is inconsistent).

 

This year (2021-2022):

How many games was Josh's pass % under 65%= 8 games; how about Pat Mahomes? 8 games under 65% pass%

How many games did each throw for under 260 yards? Josh 9 times, Pat 8 times

How many games did each throw for less than 200 yards? Josh 3 times, Pat twice

How many games were they held without a TD? Josh once; Pat twice

How many games did they have 2 or less TDs? Josh 9 games; Pat 10 games

 

And let's also weigh in that Josh's worst passing game (vs. Atlanta) also included him rushing for 81 yards and 2 TDs for a win. So, even on an off day, we still have a chance with our defense and Josh's legs/competitive nature. Like I said, pundits are just grasping at straws. I think the inconsistent Josh is a fallacious argument based on looking at one small stretch of games.

 

One last comparison, here is a stretch of games for Patrick Mahomes from earlier this season. Couldn't you, looking at only those games, say Mahomes is inconsistent and can't put together back-to-back good games?

@WAS 397 yds 2 TD 2INT

@TEN  206 yds 0 TD 1 INT

NYG     275 yds 1 TD 1 INT

GNB    166 yds 1 TD 0 INT

@LVR  406 yds 5 TDs 0 INT

DAL     260 yds  0 TD 1 INT

DEN    184 yds  1 TD 1 INT

 

[Michael1962]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

and we were worried there wouldn't be bulletin board material this week.

 

 

If Keyshawn picks Mahomes then I am greatly relieved!  Would love to see him blabber after a Bill's upset at KC.

[Mat68]

Allen will never be accurate…

Allen wont win in the pocket….

Allen cant hit a deep ball…..

Allen will never be elite…..

Now Allen isnt consistent.  Meaning he isnt the most consistent qb in history.  I think the stats show he is just as consistent and prolific as Mahomes.  Allen has to be extra for him to get credit for it.

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

When…..in week 4 without their best player? Yeah, I was at arrowhead. Watched 10 times after the fact.  You’re acting like teams can’t improve during the season.  Meanwhile we had the 2nd best run game in the nfl over the last 4-5 weeks.  While being one of the worst run games in the first half.  Why can’t the chiefs D improve? 
 

anyway, no reason to continue this.  Agree to disagree.

 

You forgot the emergence of more reliable targets at WR for Mahomes as well as we don't have Tre this go around either.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

You forgot the emergence of more reliable targets at WR for Mahomes as well as we don't have Tre this go around either.

And that.  And Mahomes isn’t turning the ball over like he was in the beginning of the season.  Their rookie OL have been stellar 

[hemma]

I’m just afraid that our players will read all of these mewlish posts, skip getting on the plane and go watch reruns of Laverne & Shirley.

[Putin]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

Both of the defense’s are different now ,  KC is playing much better now then they did in week 5 , and lets not forget we don’t have Tre and even with that said I still believe our defense is better , 

Lets hope Josh Allen saved his best performances  for the playoffs/ SB 

GO BILLS BABY !!!!

11 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Allen certaily has an opportunity. Playing with a bit more consistency is about the last thing he needs to prove.

 

Mahomes has had consistency issues as well this season.

This is the game that Josh need to win to shut all the haters !!! 
GO BILLS BABY !!!! 

[hondo in seattle]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

I think we should all be able to admit that - until proven otherwise - Allen has the highest ceiling of any QB in the league.  However, Mahomes has built up the trust factor.  

 

When people say "I know Mahomes will show up... will Allen?".. I don't think that's an unfair question to ask.  

 

That changes Sunday if Buffalo wins.  

 

It's up to Allen to outduel Mahomes and/or our Defense to remove the "outlier" label from what Tampa Bay did to him last year.  

 

Most of Josh's "bad" games have either been in bad weather or behind a porous line.  Or both.

 

If our OL is plays well against the Chiefs - like they did against the Pats - Josh is going to put up a lot of points.  

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

Both of the defense’s are different now ,  KC is playing much better now then they did in week 5 , and lets not forget we don’t have Tre and even with that said I still believe our defense is better , 

Lets hope Josh Allen saved his best performances  for the playoffs/ SB 

GO BILLS BABY !!!!

Our running game is much better and importantly much more patient then it was in week 5.  The O-line has been reworked and we're now using a 6th O lineman a lot of times.  Finally Allen will take the check down if necessary in a way he wasn't earlier in the season.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

One of them is doing it with the best TE ever and one of the best WRs of the last decade and one of the best offensive minds ever.  

 

 

Allen has a higher ceiling that hasn't played with the best supporting cast he'll play with - all due respect to how good our group is no doubt.   

Edited January 19, 2022 by Big Blitz

[muppy]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Oh man.  How does Keyshawn ever have a seat on that stage?  He’s embarrassing

he's a talking head with bad takes and jets stink on him as well . pfft.

[Starr Almighty]

8 hours ago, Rampage said:

The Chiefs defense has been lights out the second half of the season. Two totally different defense at this point in the season.

The chargers almost beat them, if their coach wasn't an idiot they would have. The Bengals moved the ball without issue and Denver with Lock moved the ball just fine. I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying the defense is playing so well.

[Best Williams Available]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

We'll have to agree to disagree here.  Jones is a handful but ALL 4 Bills WR's were playing hurt.  Allen's mobility can at least partially compensate for Jones but if his WR's can't separate things can deteriorate fast. As an aside did Jones lay against Cincy?  If he did the Bengal's were able to deal with it and that's with Spain at guard.

 

One last point, the Bills running game really is a lot better then it was in last seasons championship game.  If the Bills are patient and stick with their running game it will pay dividends against an aggressive D-lineman like Jones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention eat clock and keep the D rested. Run game and short quick passes for the win!

[reddogblitz]

9 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

It’s a two minute video, so it’s short but sweet. Even the guy that picked Mahomes said that Allen has a higher ceiling, he just doesn’t do it as consistently.

 

I really do believe that Allen vs. Mahomes is most likely the new Brady vs. Manning rivalry. My hope is that Allen is the one that has more success over the long haul. Hopefully it starts this weekend. Go Bills!

 

Your thoughts not only about this upcoming game but do you think Allen can be the one that has more success vs. Mahomes over the long term?

 

Edit - For some reason, it won’t let me direct link to the video. Click on the link below and then find the video called “Allen or Mahomes: who will Carry their team to the AFC championship game?”.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills

 

Josh doesn't play against Mahommes. He plays against the KC defense.  In fact, Josh and Pat are never on the field of play at the same time.

 

I hope the BILLS have a long stretch of winning games vs KC.

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, NickelCity said:

This game comes down to the Bills defense imo. 

Disagree.

 

The KC offense is back and flying as high as ever.  They are going to score their points.

 

We will beat them by scoring MORE.

 

The defense ain't gonna get it done.  KC is almost unstoppable when on their game.

 

It has to be Allen and the offense.

 

We win this game by outscoring them, maybe 35-31 or something like that.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Allen's mistakes are magnified by the media haters. Mahomes or Brady could play worse but they get a tongue bath.

[reddogblitz]

23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Allen's mistakes are magnified by the media haters. Mahomes or Brady could play worse but they get a tongue bath.

 

Maybe cuz Brady and Mahommes have won SBs?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Maybe cuz Brady and Mahommes have won SBs?

 

Mac Jones then.

[PromoTheRobot]

24 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Maybe cuz Brady and Mahommes have won SBs?

I guess when you win a Super Bowl, no matter how, you are untouchable. What will they come up with when Allen wins one?

[Putin]

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I guess when you win a Super Bowl, no matter how, you are untouchable. What will they come up with when Allen wins one?

The only way to shut the all the haters is to win a SB that’s it !!! 

[AuntieEm]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I disagree.  Brady had a pretty average championship last season and they won the SB. He threw 3 INT's and had a QB rating under 74.

 

 

 

  Yea but Brady went 5hru the NFC to reach the SB don't think he could get thru the AFC teams last year playing how he did during the playoff games.

[PromoTheRobot]

32 minutes ago, Putin said:

The only way to shut the all the haters is to win a SB that’s it !!! 

We'll See. The goalposts always move for Josh. Win one Super Bowl and it becomes win another to be sure.

Edited January 19, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[CincyBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, Putin said:

The only way to shut the all the haters is to win a SB that’s it !!! 

That's buying into their screwy false narrative.  There are a lot of retired Bills in the HOF who never won a Super Bowl.

 

I don't know what motivates these people to come on 2BD and take shots at Allen.  Now that Allen is an elite QB though they have to go all passive aggressive to do it.  In fact it's a sign of Allen's progress & success that they're reduced to calling out Allen not winning a SB yet!  My guess is that if not this year sometime in the next couple of years even that will go away as Allen leads the Bills to a SB.

 

 

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We'll See. The goalposts always move for Josh. Win one Super Bowl and it becomes win another to be sure.

Bingo. 

[Governor]

10 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Buffalo didnt have Milano either.  I think he impacts the Bills defense as much as Jones.  Overall, the narrative is Buffalo beat them but they are much better.  Buffalo is still the same.  Imo, this is backwards/ opposite.  Buffalo has found a run game since and evolved the offense to use multiple players and personal groupings.  Not just relying on Diggs, Beasley Sanders.   I feel Kc is still pretty much the same.  Same packages, similar plays.  The way to slow them is known and the strengths of the offense are the same.  
 

Josh is also getting rid of the ball faster than ever before so I don’t see Jones being all that crazy. It’s just paranoia around here. Bolton made one big play. He hasn’t been all that good.

[ToGoGo]

14 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That's buying into their screwy false narrative.  There are a lot of retired Bills in the HOF who never won a Super Bowl.

 

I don't know what motivates these people to come on 2BD and take shots at Allen.  Now that Allen is an elite QB though they have to go all passive aggressive to do it.  In fact it's a sign of Allen's progress & success that they're reduced to calling out Allen not winning a SB yet!  My guess is that if not this year sometime in the next couple of years even that will go away as Allen leads the Bills to a SB.

 

 

Bingo. 

 

Allen has always had this strange aura of disrespect. No matter what he did, it was never enough. Until it got to the point he was better than anybody, and then it became passive aggressive. 

 

I truly believe it comes to an end on Sunday where Allen finally proves that not only is he better than Mahomes, he's in another tier. He already proved it earlier this year when he was hurdling defenders while Mahomes was on the bench without any answers. 

 

If Allen blows him away again, I believe the respect will finally start arriving. All Allen needed was a competent supporting cast, while Mahomes can't even function with what Allen has had to work with the last few years. 

 

This is the year. Our Super Bowl window officially opened during the Pats game. 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I guess when you win a Super Bowl, no matter how, you are untouchable. What will they come up with when Allen wins one?

 

What makes you think they'll "come up" with something?

 

There are some exceptions the untouchable thing though. Trent Dilfer. So maybe you're right.

 

Seems to me Josh is pretty well respected in the press.

[BillsFan619]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Josh doesn't play against Mahommes. He plays against the KC defense.  In fact, Josh and Pat are never on the field of play at the same time.

 

I hope the BILLS have a long stretch of winning games vs KC.

I definitely get what you're saying. I really do.

 

That said, they do play against each other. If Allen has an awesome game, it does affect how Mahomes has to play if he wants to win the game. And vice versa.

 

A QB typically has to play better against a top QB because they're playing against each other. If Mac Jones were playing against Mahomes most wouldn't think that Mahomes would have to play as well to win that game. That said, if he was playing against Brady or Rodgers most would say that Mahomes would have to be on top of his game to not only keep up with a QB like that but win the game.

Edited January 19, 2022 by BillsFan619

[billsfan89]

11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’m sorry, did you just say Chris Jones is a top 10 player in the NFL? Stop it.

 

Although I would say that Chris Jones being a top 10 player in the league is not accurate he is one of the top 3 DT's in the NFL. Jones not being there in the first game was a big factor in the favor of the Bills. Jones being there and being on the interior will be a big time test for the O-line. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I guess when you win a Super Bowl, no matter how, you are untouchable. What will they come up with when Allen wins one?

He’s never had a 500 yard passing game 😂

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Although I would say that Chris Jones being a top 10 player in the league is not accurate he is one of the top 3 DT's in the NFL. Jones not being there in the first game was a big factor in the favor of the Bills. Jones being there and being on the interior will be a big time test for the O-line. 

I think the bills offensive line has improved exponentially since then also though.  

[machine gun kelly]

Whoever is making this prediction. Either way is just a WAG.  I’m a huge Bills fan and I have no idea.  Either team can win this game.

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We'll See. The goalposts always move for Josh. Win one Super Bowl and it becomes win another to be sure.

 

While I agree there is small but vociferous hard core among the talking heads that hold Josh to a different standard there are also a lot of people who have fully come around to him and I think if he wins a Superbowl the rest will follow. 

[Stank_Nasty]

I just heard Max Kellerman, on his ESPN radio show this morning, say Allen is just a notch below the superhuman guys “like Herbert and Mahomes”…

 

….. What in gods name has this man been watching? Living under a rock, I’m assuming? Football guys like Cossel, Simms, and Palmer are literally claiming this Allen might be the most physically gifted qb of all time and Kellerman thinks he’s physically still a cut below a couple of guys currently in the league, let alone all time…. Comical stuff. 

[teef]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I just heard Max Kellerman, on his ESPN radio show this morning, say Allen is just a notch below the superhuman guys “like Herbert and Mahomes”…

 

….. What in gods name has this man been watching? Living under a rock, I’m assuming? Football guys like Cossel, Simms, and Palmer are literally claiming this Allen might be the most physically gifted qb of all time and Kellerman thinks he’s physically still a cut below a couple of guys currently in the league, let alone all time…. Comical stuff. 

on the opposite spectrum, david diehl on sirius was gushing about allen.  he couldn't get enough of the perfect game.  

[Billsfan1972]

I read here and it is hilarious to think that Allen lost a perfect passer rating on his last pass, which was a 1 yard TD....

[freddyjj]

34 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I just heard Max Kellerman, on his ESPN radio show this morning, say Allen is just a notch below the superhuman guys “like Herbert and Mahomes”…

 

….. What in gods name has this man been watching? Living under a rock, I’m assuming? Football guys like Cossel, Simms, and Palmer are literally claiming this Allen might be the most physically gifted qb of all time and Kellerman thinks he’s physically still a cut below a couple of guys currently in the league, let alone all time…. Comical stuff. 

Max K is a non player who wouldn't know what a Unicorn looks like if it jammed it's horn up his bum. 

[colin]

some good discussion here.

 

couple things

 

1) how good has KC's d been?  i see some great scoring stats, but their overall yardage stats are pretty bad.  are they just that solid in the red zone?

 

2) the biggest difference for the bills right now vs 5 or 6 weeks ago is we have much better interior line play, and our play calling.  motor is tearing it up like a savage, but that's cuz he's getting burn and the guys in front of him are doing good work (as well as his play).  our pass protection is more solid, and josh has more time scan the field or bigger lanes to trot through and make Ds tear their hair out.  instead of butt-ger and feliciano, we have what look like actual NFL starters at G in Bates and Williams.

 

3) since half time vs TB, our D (i swear mcd took it over, but maybe he's handed it back) has been more aggressive and in better position up front.  the plays we have been burned on have been due to either mistakes in the secondary (the 1st td vs NE, although it didn't matter at that point) or because of just close plays not going our way (the long TD vs TB in OT, where the DB was there to nearly pick off the ball but just got there too late).  a lot of that is on the DL balling out much harder, basham and Oliver have found another gear and that's where our biggest need was before.

 

Healthy WRs, an actual run game, and production from our TE (which we were lacking in last year's AFCCG) will likely be the measurable difference in the game should we win it this yeaer, but IMO the line play improvements above will be the deeper reason.