Doc Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 My son and I were having this discussion last night. I asked him if he'd keep RIch Bisaccia. He wouldn't, I said I would after taking the team to the playoffs despite all the turmoil. What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 That team was a shitshow until Gruden quit. They are playing hard for Bisaccia and winning. He should stay. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 small sample size, but it’s pretty amazing they made the postseason (let alone the 5th seed) after the Gruden and Ruggs fiascos. I’d keep him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think he's earned a full season in charge 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 He did a very good job under some tough circumstances. I definitely think the Raiders will remove the interim tag and make him the HC going forward. He got them into the playoffs so he's earned the opportunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 He was a hot coaching candidate just a few years ago. I think there remains a prejudice against special teams coaches as head coaches, despite your John Harbaughs and Bill Belichicks. Joe Judge and his disaster in NY won't help matters - he was a long time ST coach that straight up failed. Bisaccia and Dave Toub (KC's ST coach) always get the interviews but not the commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc said: My son and I were having this discussion last night. I asked him if he'd keep RIch Bisaccia. He wouldn't, I said I would after taking the team to the playoffs despite all the turmoil. What say you? I would say maybe. I would interview him and the players, but I would want to do my due diligence and interview limited others and see what shakes free. I would replace him if a big time coach - Harbaugh for example breaks free, but would not replace him with a Dabol/Frazier/or series of other OCs that don’t call the offense. It does not matter to me win or lose - I just want to look at options before deciding Bisaccia is the future. I have no issues keeping him, but if an improvement is available- go for it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 It depends on what the Raiders are aiming for. If they are looking for a year or two of stability where they can go at best 9-8, then yeah go ahead an keep him. But I think their playoff run has more to do with Indianapolis having Carson Wentz at Quarterback, and Lamar Jackson being hurt. Looking at their schedule for next year I think they are at best a 6 or 7 win team. As such, I wouldnt offer the guy any sort of long term contract to only have to pay him to eventually not coach the team once he is fired. The Raiders should be looking at long term sustainable success, and I dont think he is the guy to bring that to the team. Personally I'd find someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 When you look at some of the retreads trotted out (Gase) after their previous notable 'Fa 🧋cups', he certainly deserves another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I don't know how you fire the dude after he navigated them through all of that and still made the playoffs. He should be coach of the year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidsJr Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, dpberr said: He was a hot coaching candidate just a few years ago. I think there remains a prejudice against special teams coaches as head coaches, despite your John Harbaughs and Bill Belichicks. Joe Judge and his disaster in NY won't help matters - he was a long time ST coach that straight up failed. Bisaccia and Dave Toub (KC's ST coach) always get the interviews but not the commitment. Bill was a DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Derek Carr is basically the coach of that team. A player/coach. Tremendous leader who keeps that team together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Raiders are always looking for a big splash, I don't think they keep him unless he wins a playoff game. They won't have a choice if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, BidsJr said: Bill was a DC Not his entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 No. I'd can him. Nice guy, done a nice job in keeping the ship together. But some of his coaching decisions have been a little odd and I am not sure without the power of fighting against adversity as a motivation he is really the guy I want to turn over control of my franchise to. A lot depends on what they think of Mayock and their current roster. If they want to run things back one more year then maybe keep him, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do and he ends up 1 and done as a permanent Head Coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, dpberr said: He was a hot coaching candidate just a few years ago. I think there remains a prejudice against special teams coaches as head coaches, despite your John Harbaughs and Bill Belichicks. Joe Judge and his disaster in NY won't help matters - he was a long time ST coach that straight up failed. Bisaccia and Dave Toub (KC's ST coach) always get the interviews but not the commitment. Belichick was a longtime DC, not a ST coach. 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. I'd can him. Nice guy, done a nice job in keeping the ship together. But some of his coaching decisions have been a little odd and I am not sure without the power of fighting against adversity as a motivation he is really the guy I want to turn over control of my franchise to. A lot depends on what they think of Mayock and their current roster. If they want to run things back one more year then maybe keep him, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do and he ends up 1 and done as a permanent Head Coach. Yeah, I’d try to keep him as ST coach/assistant HC, but he is not the answer. They were a very lucky team this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think the Raiders with Gruden were headed in the same direction as the Texans were with Bill Obrien at the HC position & the fact that Gruen won a SB with the team that Tony built never set well with me because after that what did he do ? He wanted and got ultimate control & i don't think a franchise or the team can operate like that maybe in the rare occasion but Rich was thrown into the fire and took the ship & is now on the verge of the play offs that shows good on him . I would wait until the end of the season while doing the exit interviews and ask the players for their input. What do you think, what did you see, how did he handle certain situations & then go from there to make a decision . I know there have been a couple of times that has happened here in B/lo & i would have like to have been able to see what if anything the interim HC could have done if given control the following year like when Perry Fewell took over i always though he may have been a good HC . But we will never know ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. I'd can him. Nice guy, done a nice job in keeping the ship together. But some of his coaching decisions have been a little odd and I am not sure without the power of fighting against adversity as a motivation he is really the guy I want to turn over control of my franchise to. A franchise owned by: 🤔 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Depends on who they could get. If they were to hire a Leslie Frazier type (and nothing against Frazier here) then they may as well stay with RIch Bisaccia. Same steady influence that could bridge the team to the next phase. If they could get Harbaugh yo leave Michigan or some other guy that is a no brainer upgrade then you make the change. I think in this case a well you take the time to ask the vets on the team what they would think about keeping Bisaccia and factor that in as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, dpberr said: He was a hot coaching candidate just a few years ago. I think there remains a prejudice against special teams coaches as head coaches, despite your John Harbaughs and Bill Belichicks. Joe Judge and his disaster in NY won't help matters - he was a long time ST coach that straight up failed. Bisaccia and Dave Toub (KC's ST coach) always get the interviews but not the commitment. Little less recent but Marv Levy was a ST coordinator prior to becoming a HC. The other notable example is Mike Ditka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Derek Carr is basically the coach of that team. A player/coach. Tremendous leader who keeps that team together. He’s a tremendous leader, but don’t disrespect Bisaccia. He’s done an incredible job and deserves the credit as HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think getting to the playoffs for them should be considered a solid accomplishment. If kept i doubt he would change his staff much, and he has a couple of former HCs in Cable and Bradley on staff which helps too. He seems like a good leader and solid HC material, the only pause i would give would be looking at what happened with Kitchens in Cleveland. Make sure the turn around was him getting the guys up, and not something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Because of the circumstances of a mid-year replacement, he obviously had no option but to use Gruden's scheme, players, etc. and was able to take them to the playoffs. Making a change in coach other than an internal hire almost always means significant changes that are like starting over and have a dip for a couple of years. I think it would be a big mistake for the Faders to make a change after this season. They should give Bisaccia a full year to see what he does on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, dneveu said: Little less recent but Marv Levy was a ST coordinator prior to becoming a HC. The other notable example is Mike Ditka. That's not accurate. He was actually a head coach in college for six years at Cal and William and Mary, and immediately prior to being hired by the Chiefs as HC coach in 1978, he had served as the head coach of the Montreal Alouettes throughout the mid-1970s, where he won 3 Grey Cups. He was ST coach under George Allen for about 3 years in the early 1970s. Edited January 13, 2022 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I assume the Raiders will go in a different direction, I can't see Mark Davis "settling" for him. At least Bisaccia got some time as head coach and did some things well. Should help him getting a head coaching job in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That's not accurate. He was actually a head coach in college for six years at Cal and William and Mary, and immediately prior to being hired by the Chiefs as HC coach in 1978, he had served as the head coach of the Montreal Alouettes throughout the mid-1970s, where he won 3 Grey Cups. He was ST coach under George Allen for about 3 years in the early 1970s. I wonder if there's an 'exchange factor' that needs to be worked into that observation. 🤔 One less offensive 'down', but you do get a 52 yard line...twice! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&Goal Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I would give him a year, on his own, to see how things go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I voted keep. But, ladies and gentlemen, we're just casual fans. What do we really know? Before making a keep-or-can decision like this, I'd like to see the guy in action. How does he handle himself with the coordinators and position coaches? What kind of weekly routines has he set up to prepare the team? How does he talk to players? Formulate game plans? Etc? The Raiders did well during his tenure because of him? Or despite him? Are the coordinators really running the show and he's just a figurehead? Without more information, our opinions don't mean squat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: Without more information, our opinions don't mean squat. Sure, true. For anything we talk about on these boards as it relates to the team the same can be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Keep on for one more season. They need some stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I mean the man righted a ship that wasn’t torpedoed once but twice this year. First by their HC being a racist and an idiot then by Riggs commuting vehicle manslaughter with his car while drunk. I know I thought they were done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 the bigger question is whether they resign Carr. Without him that job is a rebuild. The GM is in limbo too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Sure, true. For anything we talk about on these boards as it relates to the team the same can be said. Actually, I get this. We're fans. It's part of the fun to have opinions, even uninformed ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 If the Raiders get a win or (gasp!) 2 in these playoffs, he's the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, RiotAct said: small sample size, but it’s pretty amazing they made the postseason (let alone the 5th seed) after the Gruden and Ruggs fiascos. I’d keep him. Not to mention Arnette... he has done an incredible job with what he has been tasked with. I suspect it will be a lot like when we had Anthony Lynn as interim HC. A lot of us wanted him on full time, but ownership ultimately went another direction. But then again, we didn't make the playoffs that year - so anyone's guess is as good as it gets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Regardless of the Raiders outcome against the Bengals I don't see how you can't give Bisaccia at least the 2022 after finishing the season strong and beating 3 straight teams that were also in control of their playoff destinies, including 2 on the road. Especially when you consider all the turmoil there and how he ended the HC midseason to begin with. But then again the league works in mysterious ways so who really knows what the Raiders will do next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I do think players tend to play hard for their interim coaches. Getting your coach fired seems to be a wake up call for them sometimes. I guess I don't know. It's a tough question. Definately interview him. Bring in as many quality candidates as you can and try to hire the best possible one. If that's Basaccia, great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, stuvian said: the bigger question is whether they resign Carr. Without him that job is a rebuild. The GM is in limbo too 1. Mo' money. 2. Mo' mascara. 3. Signed copy of Sophie's 'It's OK to Cry'. Edited January 13, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 They would be insane not to keep him. This team lost its HC to a sandal, then an all-pro WR to a horrific crime. He kept the team going and made the playoffs. Also was smart how he handled OT in game last week (would have went for the tie due to chances of kick getting blocked, but went for the win when the kick was shorter). Guy seems like a good in game and out of game coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 No, you get rid of him. The team is playing hard but they are probably at their ceiling. You certainly don’t “give him another year” either. You either commit to him long term or don’t bring him back at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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