Harrison Philips: how important is it for the Bills to re-sign him?

[Freddie's Dead]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Reread my original post.

 

Resign and re-sign are not synonyms.

[klos63]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

you made your point the first time.

 

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Depends if he wants to test the market.  To me he doesnt have enough pass rush to be a true 3 tech and isnt big enough to be a full time 1 tech.  Great team guy but he isnt a plug and play 100% of the snap starter that will demand 8 to 10 a year.

is there any Dlineman that plays 100% or even near that many snaps?

[HappyDays]

Our interior d-line has quietly been very good all season and I would be happy to have the exact same group next year. I think we can get Phillips for something like 3 years $15 mil with an easy out after year 1 and year 2.

[BaaadThingsMan]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Our interior d-line has quietly been very good all season and I would be happy to have the exact same group next year. I think we can get Phillips for something like 3 years $15 mil with an easy out after year 1 and year 2.

He'll sign if he's offered a decent deal I bet.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Jordan Davis

"It's not very often you see a lineman with this combination of size and strength (6' 6" 340lbs). It's rarer for a man of his size to put it all together and produce and that's exactly what he has done during his time at Georgia. "

 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jordan-Davis-DL-Georgia

He's going top 15 if not Top 10.

 

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Our interior d-line has quietly been very good all season and I would be happy to have the exact same group next year. I think we can get Phillips for something like 3 years $15 mil with an easy out after year 1 and year 2.

Phillips has played well as of late.  He seems to be back at the level he was just prior to tearing his ACL against the Bengals.  I think Bills will want to bring him back.

[Bubba Gump]

Harrison Phillips is the unsung hero the last 3-4 weeks IMO. Star was activated today and barely saw the field. Harry has taken total control of his opportunity. He presser was great today as well. He even acknowledged the cafeteria workers with the great job they have done. And if anyone knows a good cafeteria meal, it's Horrible Harry. Time to take a back seat and watch Star!!!

[RyanC883]

12 hours ago, Mango said:

I really like his game as of late. I don’t know what you pay him though. He’s been mediocre more than he’s been impressive. But he’s been impressive lately. I’d like to draft a Vita Vea type, but there are no guarantees on draft day or how they pan out after that. 
 

2 years, $10M, $6M guaranteed? He makes more money. We get a discount. He can get a new contract sooner rather than later for a bigger pay day? 

 

i like this.  then draft a 1T also

12 hours ago, 97bills said:

I would love to keep him but look to upgrade if possible. Let’s not fool our selfs this Dline was terrible all year and he was a big part of that. 

 

this is also true.   he has had a great 3 weeks.  not sure if finally over injury or what.  But we need another 1T.

[fasteddie]

12 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

Do you stutter all the time?

[atlbillsfan1975]

16 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

He's going top 15 if not Top 10.

 

Devonte Wyatt is a fifth year senior on the UGA line that could be there in the second round when the Bills pick. 6’3 315 pounds. Looking forward to watching him against Bama and then how he does in his pre-draft testing. I usually like interior linemen on both sides of the ball starting late in the second through the 5th round. Unless you are picking in the top ten and there is someone you feel is a game changing Dtackle available. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[T master]

Harry has been a good fit for the Bills ever since he got here & i would hope seeing as he is playing closer to his old self that Beane & company can see that for what they have payed Star he is no where near as dependable as Harry you match him with the kid they bring up from the PS and you can have 2 for the price of 1 !! 

 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings as long as Harry can continue to play at a high level to see him retire as a Bill he reminds me a lot of Kyle in a lot of ways I'm not sure how intense he is on game day but like Kyle seems to be a Bills type player through & through ...

[FlaFitz1]

They should absolutely make his a priority re-signing!!  They are so much better against the run when he's in the game and he gets pressures allowing players like Oliver freer to rush the passer.

 

Only wish he would get the love he deserves rather than looking for love...

 

 

HEY GUYS!!  I GOT THE BALL!!  Hey guys?  Guys? Hello?  Guys? Anyone?  I need a hug...

 

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Edited January 3, 2022 by FlaFitz1

[Logic]

Re-sign him, for sure.

It's taken some time, and some unfortunate injury luck, but he is finally looking like the player he was at Stanford.

He also seems like a genuinely good and hard working person and teammate. I don't think we need to worry about him only playing well because it's a contract year and then mentally checking out once he gets paid.

"Process guy" through and through. Reinforces the staff's motto of "draft, develop, retain".

Re-sign him.

[BullBuchanan]

He's the kind of guy a team with needs and cap issues needs to let walk. He's been hanging around the bottom of the roster most of his career. Nice guy, but we should be able to do better for cheaper.

[GunnerBill]

My answer would be "not very". But the fact that he seems to have passed Star on the depth chart is interesting. Harrison has had the best month of his career right before that contract question becomes due. If the Bills extend Harrison (and I am not against it at the right price, but I am not paying him based on 1 month's production I am paying him based on where I think he is after 4 years in the league,) then I think they probably cut Star. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

My answer would be "not very". But the fact that he seems to have passed Star on the depth chart is interesting. Harrison has had the best month of his career right before that contract question becomes due. If the Bills extend Harrison (and I am not against it at the right price, but I am not paying him based on 1 month's production I am paying him based on where I think he is after 4 years in the league,) then I think they probably cut Star. 

Unfortunately, Beane gave out maybe his worst contract as a GM to Star. Cutting him saves just $2m against a $9M cap. If my understanding of how the cap works is correct, our best hope is that Star retires, which would save us $4m against the cap.

[FlaFitz1]

34 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Unfortunately, Beane gave out maybe his worst contract as a GM to Star. Cutting him saves just $2m against a $9M cap. If my understanding of how the cap works is correct, our best hope is that Star retires, which would save us $4m against the cap.

 

If they release him before June 1st they save $4.15 million and have a dead cap hit of $5.2 million in 2022 and save $6.35 million and have $2.6 million in dead money in 2023.    If he is designated a post June 1st cut it's $2.6 million dead money both seasons and savings of $6.75 and $6.35 million respectively.  

[GunnerBill]

56 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Unfortunately, Beane gave out maybe his worst contract as a GM to Star. Cutting him saves just $2m against a $9M cap. If my understanding of how the cap works is correct, our best hope is that Star retires, which would save us $4m against the cap.

 

They also got stung on the restructure that was supposed to make him cuttable after this season but his opt out pushed everything back a year because of the agreement the NFLPA negotiated with the league. They can designate him a post June cut and spread the hit out though which would mean they opened up $4.25m in space for 2022. If you are going to bring Harrison back as your starter that is the move you make IMO. 

[Aussie Joe]

I like the guy but $3M a year is the most you pay him…

[BearNorth]

Jordan Davis will be off the board long before we pick. 

I'm thinking this guy may be available when we get to pick, and don't mind the Alabama pedigree

Phidarian Mathis, DT, Alabama
Height: 6-4. Weight: 320.
Projected 40 Time: 5.46.
Projected Round (2022): 2-3.. 

[3rdand12]

18 hours ago, Beerball said:

He is again a stalwart on D and appears to be back to his pre-injury form.  He's also in the final year of his contract.  On a scale of 1-10, how important do you think it is that Beane re-sign him?  I assume/hope we are close to seeing the last of (nota) Star in a Bills uni so that also increases the need o resign Harry. 

 

Personally I put re-signing him at an 8, maybe a 7.5 on the low side.

 

What say you?

I will answer the question I might have added
They will get him under contract.
 putting in the qualifiers as to how much and how long is too much what ifs , buts etc does not matter to me.
They should and will keep him somehow.
yesterday was a fine day for him
Pick up another Ted Washington in the draft please though and the Defense would become brutal . or at least another Star

 Go Bills

 Go Harry !

[Southern_Bills]

This is one of those situations where the player and the team likely want the same thing. Should work out fine.

[3rdand12]

17 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

so what are you saying exactly   lol

[WhoTom]

18 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement.  He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league.  Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included.

 

 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Can we have a poll please?

[Beerball]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Can we have a poll please?

Ask and you shall receive.

 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Well then much better than I thought!

[HomeskillitMoorman]

But Stars worth his pay even if he just stands there and takes up space. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told for the past few years. 

[Helpmenow]

Solid player contract coming up?

[Mr. WEO]

On 1/2/2022 at 7:51 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Jordan Davis

"It's not very often you see a lineman with this combination of size and strength (6' 6" 340lbs). It's rarer for a man of his size to put it all together and produce and that's exactly what he has done during his time at Georgia. "

 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jordan-Davis-DL-Georgia

 

 

He'd be long gone by 32...

[Thurman#1]

On 1/3/2022 at 9:28 AM, Beerball said:

He is again a stalwart on D and appears to be back to his pre-injury form.  He's also in the final year of his contract.  On a scale of 1-10, how important do you think it is that Beane re-sign him?  I assume/hope we are close to seeing the last of (nota) Star in a Bills uni so that also increases the need o resign Harry. 

 

Personally I put re-signing him at an 8, maybe a 7.5 on the low side.

 

What say you?

 

 

Yeah, that seems about right. 

 

Less so if they keep Star.

 

I'd thought that was the likelihood, but with his recent problems with availability and his insistence on remaining unvaxed, I'm now thinking it's pretty likely they won't bring him back next  year. Star on the field has been a real plus for Buffalo, he's done what they brought him in to do. But availability is a key, and he has not been on the field this year as much as they needed him to be.

 

That makes Phillips more important. Wouldn't be surprised to see them address the position in the draft as well.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

But Stars worth his pay even if he just stands there and takes up space. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told for the past few years. 

 

 

Star doesn't stand there. He goes side-to-side and clogs up the area being attacked really really well. And he's pushed backwards very rarely. He did indeed eat space like crazy.

 

It's not a coincidence that when he was with the Panthers their defensive YPA was quite good and that it went directly into the dumper the minute he left for Buffalo. Nor is it a coincidence that the year before he came here and the year he opted out were the worst recent years for the Bills in defensive YPA, nor that they improved a lot at it when he was in.

 

But availability matters.

[Thurman#1]

On 1/3/2022 at 10:25 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Cap goes up significantly too 

 

 

Unfortunately, our cap problems next year are pretty significant. Right now we've got $9.4M available next year. That'll change before the season but we're not going to see a lot of extra space.

 

And we're only going to be able to roll over about $600K from this year's unspent cap.

 

The Covid cap cuts really ruined a careful and thoughtful plan that Beane had put in place before the pandemic.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Thurman#1

[BobbyC81]

On 1/2/2022 at 6:42 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Resign and re-sign are not synonyms.

There are some people who think they’re so smart by pointing out to posters their spelling and grammatical errors.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Unfortunately, our cap problems next year are pretty significant. Right now we've got $9.4M available next year. That'll change before the season but we're not going to see a lot of extra space.

 

And we're only going to be able to roll over about $600K from this year's unspent cap.

 

The Covid cap cuts really ruined a careful and thoughtful plan that Beane had put in place before the pandemic.

 

 

 

There are lots of cuttable players though. Beasley, Felciano, Klein and possibly Star. 

 

Feliciano and Star have lost their starting jobs, Beas is clinging to his by a thread and Klein is the sort of luxury vet backup you have to cut loose as you pay your own guys.

 

Then extend Stef, reduce his hit, extend Tremaine and bring down the tag number and the Bills are still in pretty good cap shape. They can do whatever they want to do this offseason.

[davefan66]

The question is, do the Bills spend worrying about the cap long term or do they spend to “win now”?

 

Spending to win now does not necessarily guarantee anything.  Yeah, they can try to purchase the best available players.  Heavens knows we could use upgrades at some positions.  Not every FA fits your team.

 

Spending and cultivating your own doesn’t guarantee anything either.  Yes, you know your players the best; lived with them day in and day out.  
 

That being said.  Keep Harry.  Don’t care the cost.  Should be in a good cap situation to do so.  Feel he will only get better in this system.  I say keep Star also if he wants to be here, of course at a pay cut.  Although I don’t think he wants to be here TBH, most likely mutual feeling.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

The question is, do the Bills spend worrying about the cap long term or do they spend to “win now”?

 

Spending to win now does not necessarily guarantee anything.  Yeah, they can try to purchase the best available players.  Heavens knows we could use upgrades at some positions.  Not every FA fits your team.

 

Spending and cultivating your own doesn’t guarantee anything either.  Yes, you know your players the best; lived with them day in and day out.  
 

That being said.  Keep Harry.  Don’t care the cost.  Should be in a good cap situation to do so.  Feel he will only get better in this system.  I say keep Star also if he wants to be here, of course at a pay cut.  Although I don’t think he wants to be here TBH, most likely mutual feeling.

 

The Bills have the advantage of rich owners willing to spend, which enables them to give people FA deals that look like 4 years but are actually two, give them a load of cash up front, build yourself flexibility to get out of deals after a couple of years. Brandon Beane and co have already used that asset to good effect and I expect them to continue to do so. I don't buy that the Bills have to make a big strategic decision between win now and or sustained success. They will at some point, I just don't think they are close to that yet. 

[Mr. K]

Lets see what Philips and Edmunds both do in the big games before we decide. The better question to me is Ed and what he does for the 1+ games we have left. Either way I hope all three provide whats needed to go on a 5 game winning streak.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

There are some people who think they’re so smart by pointing out to posters their spelling and grammatical errors.

 

How do you comfort a grammar Nazi?  There, their, they're.

[TheBeaneBandit]

Gotta love the pick a Ted Washington in the draft comments. Not like the dude was arguably the greatest NT in NFL history