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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

He does. It is Hyde

 


 

Yes - the Bills did some “fun” games where they have guys do them for fun.  We saw them before practice in the past do this.

 

He had 2 or 3 guys that he knew could kick just practice a bit for emergencies.  Guys he knew would be active.  
 

Just like he has Hyde ready for return duty if needed and McKenzie ready for CB duty if needed. 
 

This would not have happened the same way here - that is for sure.  He would have a back-up holder ready and the punter to kick and a backup ready in case.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If I were a kicker struggling to make a team  i'de practice long snapping. A long snapper that can kick would always have a roster spot.

 

How is having a kicker be a crappy long snapper on the off chance you have a kicker injury any better than just going for it on 4th down and going for 2?  I'd much rather have no kicker for (part of) 1 game than a subpar LS every game.  While that struggling kicker-turned-LS is practicing snaps, he's not practicing kicks, and will be an even worse backup kicker for it.

 

In your proposed scenario, you now have a subpar backup LS snapping to a subpar backup kicker.

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12 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

How is having a kicker be a crappy long snapper on the off chance you have a kicker injury any better than just going for it on 4th down and going for 2?  I'd much rather have no kicker for (part of) 1 game than a subpar LS every game.  While that struggling kicker-turned-LS is practicing snaps, he's not practicing kicks, and will be an even worse backup kicker for it.

 

In your proposed scenario, you now have a subpar backup LS snapping to a subpar backup kicker.

Why would he be a crappy long snapper? He'd have to be able to snap the ball well. 

 

Honestly it would work for any position. Learn how to kick. I'm sure if someone spent time learning to kick they'd get good enough to attempt extra points. 

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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Again...it isn't about "can he learn how to kick".  In a live setting it is 95% about timing that has been practiced over and over and over again.  The difference between a made kick and a blocked kick in a live setting is probably a few tenths of a second. It would be near impossible for a player who hasn't had any practice with timing to do this in a live game randomly.

 

Kicking with a player who does not practice regularly is more likely to result in blocked kick, blown snap or fumble.

 

I do like Hyde as emergency kicker though who has good hands and would attempt to make first down in fake.

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3 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Long snappers, 3rd QB, players... what about the PUNTER practicing field goals? Don't tell me that these guys, with obviously very strong legs, don't have 2-3 sessions of 20 minutes a week to also practice field goals (and field goal pickers practicing punts). No they wouldn't turn into great ones, but they could certainly make 33 yards and under ones fairly regularly. 

 

They said the issue with the Carolina punter is he's from Australia and played their style football which doesn't involve place kicking so has never done it.  For most teams the punter could kick FG in emergency.  Admittedly is surprising when they signed the punter they didn't have him practice kicking FG's too.  Wouldn't be surprised if that is what he's doing right now though.

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5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I guess Pj Walker was one in HS but he was bad in emergency try-outs. Their punter was an aussie rules guy so he had no PK experience. Just a bad situation 

 

which were during warmups.

 

How does any team not have a plan for kicker if theirs suddenly goes out?  I bet for most teams its the punter.  But if it's not---how do you not "try out" alternatives waaaay before warmups in the game in which you K can't answer the bell??

 

Also, how  is a punter not be able to make a decent attempt at kicking a stationary football?  Why wouldn't he practice that?--he's got nothing else to do all week.  

 

Crazy.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

which were during warmups.

 

How does any team not have a plan for kicker if theirs suddenly goes out?  I bet for most teams its the punter.  But if it's not---how do you not "try out" alternatives waaaay before warmups in the game in which you K can't answer the bell??

 

Also, how  is a punter not be able to make a decent attempt at kicking a stationary football?  Why wouldn't he practice that?--he's got nothing else to do all week.  

 

Crazy.

Matt Rhule isn't a good coach

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2 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Booth lustig

On Oct. 16, 1966, Bills kicker Booth Lusteg was attacked after missing a field goal that cost the team a victory against the San Diego Chargers.

Almost a dozen men were overheard planning to "punch out" Lusteg when he left War Memorial Stadium, according to an Oct. 19, 1966. article in The Buffalo Evening News. 

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5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If I were a kicker struggling to make a team  i'de practice long snapping. A long snapper that can kick would always have a roster spot.

Such a specialty.. there's no way they could get to NFL level by just picking it up while they're already in the NFL

 

There are kids at 6A ball in Texas.. and all they do is long snap.. that's their position

 

They're going to be a D1 Long snapper and then an NFL Long snapper..  it's tough to just transition to that and get the rotations you need and the speed you need on the snap

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15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Such a specialty.. there's no way they could get to NFL level by just picking it up while they're already in the NFL

 

There are kids at 6A ball in Texas.. and all they do is long snap.. that's their position

 

They're going to be a D1 Long snapper and then an NFL Long snapper..  it's tough to just transition to that and get the rotations you need and the speed you need on the snap

They should practice kicking also lol. Long snappers actually double the career length of the average Nfl player. I'm going to convince my kid long snapping is cool. Forget QB.

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They should practice kicking also lol. Long snappers actually double the career length of the average Nfl player. I'm going to convince my kid long snapping is cool. Forget QB.

I know fathers who have done that

 

And with the physical and mental sides of the game.. you have a lot better chances of putting out a division one Long snapper than a division one quarterback ... It's not even close

 

But it's going to be hard to convince them it's cool, cus it's really not lol

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3 hours ago, BearNorth said:

I'm old enough to remember when one Cookie Gilchrist, also the starting fullback, was the placekicker in 1962, 8x20 on FG's 14x17 on PAT's. He was replaced the next year by position player Mack Yoho, who wasn't much better.  Daryl Lamonica, the backup QB was the punter in 1963.  We upgraded to Gogolak and Maguire in 1964.

 

That reminded me that Qb Danny White used to be the Cowboys punter in the 70's-80's.

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Most hgh school kickers were usually pretty bad, as a soccer goalie, I could punt and kick better than anyone on the football team. They just didn't care to improve at the positions, they would just use the qb or best athlete and live with the results. The funny part is they had players on the roster who never played.

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30 minutes ago, jabu said:

 

That reminded me that Qb Danny White used to be the Cowboys punter in the 70's-80's.

 

Gino Cappaletti was a flanker (WR) and a place kicker for Boston 
 

George Blanda a QB and kicker for Houston and Oakland 

 

Paul McGuire was a punter and LB for the Bills and San Diego 

 

Steve Spurier was QB and punter for SF. 

6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

John 'Elvis' Lang count?

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I met him last year at a bar were my brothers cover band plays. Cool guy.  

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7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I guess Pj Walker was one in HS but he was bad in emergency try-outs. Their punter was an aussie rules guy so he had no PK experience. Just a bad situation 

Surprised they didn’t just have the punter drop kick if needed, wasn’t a real issue yesterday, they needed TDs.  What that team needs is a QB, Cam is done.

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1 hour ago, krf139 said:

I’m confused as to why the punter can’t do it. I understand it’s a different animal but you’d think they’d be at least semi passable in an emergency 

 

Some punter (i.e. Bojo) had issue just getting laces lined up. It is a specialist position and a lot easier to kick off since you can use tee if necessary.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+kick+field+goals&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS912US912&oq=how+to+kick+field+goals&aqs=chrome..69i57.5286j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_shPBYcu3FYfCytMPgs-DsAE18

 

https://www.sbnation.com/a/nfl-preview-2019/kickers

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For players who hang out on the periphery of the box score, kickers and punters have a major role in how a game unfolds. Although it’s easy to see the output of their work, it’s not always clear what goes into these kicks. The 10,000 hours of technique that constitutes every special teams play carries through film study and into the weight room. These kicks are the result of thousands of power cleans and sprints, knowing the right spot and timing for every play, and understanding how to react when something unexpected happens.

 

 

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“You want to hit the center of the [metatarsal] bone that runs roughly from the ankle to the big toe,” Washington kicker Dustin Hopkins told me. “You want to hit that line atop your foot every time. The goal is that even a mishit will be a make. Obviously you want to hit your ‘A’ ball every time, but in the pros you need your ‘B’ and ‘C+’ ball to be a make, too.”

 

I held kicks on summer for practicing kicker and you need to not think about him kicking your hand or you will move enough to ruin kick.

I got kicked once (he said it was his fault not mine) and that was the last kick I held. 

I went back to therapy table for kicking my fingers messed up job I was being paid to little for.

 

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22 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If I were a kicker struggling to make a team  i'de practice long snapping. A long snapper that can kick would always have a roster spot.

What happens if they need to kick a field goal?

19 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

How is having a kicker be a crappy long snapper on the off chance you have a kicker injury any better than just going for it on 4th down and going for 2?  I'd much rather have no kicker for (part of) 1 game than a subpar LS every game.  While that struggling kicker-turned-LS is practicing snaps, he's not practicing kicks, and will be an even worse backup kicker for it.

 

In your proposed scenario, you now have a subpar backup LS snapping to a subpar backup kicker.

Or if the kicker gets injured now the long snapper is snapping to himself

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21 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

 

Gino Cappaletti was a flanker (WR) and a place kicker for Boston 
 

George Blanda a QB and kicker for Houston and Oakland 

 

Paul McGuire was a punter and LB for the Bills and San Diego 

 

Steve Spurier was QB and punter for SF. 

I met him last year at a bar were my brothers cover band plays. Cool guy.  

He must work for the bills. The guitar gets thru security 

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