What the actual ***** Fox/NFL network?!

[Joe Ferguson]

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

“The cantaloupe farmer that throws it farther?”

The Fierbaugh fireball shooter ????

 

EDIT:  NEW AND IMPROVED:

 

"The flaming fireball flinger from Firebaugh"

 

?????

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Nextmanup

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There’s some rational basis to Chris Simm’s point.  The Bills are able to shut down a superb run game by focusing on it, as they did to the Ravens in the playoffs last year.   But when a team like the Titans or the Colts has a superb strong physical run game, AND an accurate quick passing game supported by play action, the Bills defense can be “had”, as they were against the Titans and the Colts this season.  They somewhat sell out to stop the run, to the detriment of the pass defense.

 

The question is whether the Patriots run game is really on the same level as Henry with the Titans or Jonathan Taylor with the Colts?  They have a good run game - but they’re further down the NFL in ypg and ypa.  So I don’t think the Bills have to sacrifice their pass D as much to stop them.  And I could be wrong, but I think both Tannehill and Wentz have more escapability and ability to gain yards with their feet at need than Mac Jones does.

 

 

 

 

I'm going to push back a little on what you say about the NE run game. Let's look at their production in their 6-game winning streak (carries-yards-rushing TDs):

 

32-148-4 (long of 32)

39-142-1 (long of 14)

39-151-1 (long of 16)

34-184-2 (long of 22)

30-134-0 (long of 21)

24-105-1 (long of 19)

 

That is a ton of rushes per game and really big rushing numbers too (144 yards per game). Now the ypc over that stretch may not sound like much -- 4.36 -- but they're not getting breakaway runs that skew the stats. (They have one run that went longer than 22 yards, and 32 is hardly a ypc-skewer anyway.)  And they have 12 kneeldowns for -14 yards. Take those away, and you're magically at 4.72 ypc over this stretch. Moreover, there are also no long QB scrambles that are skewing the numbers either--Jones ran for 42 yards over those six games, with a high of 19 yards total vs. the Jets.

 

My point is that they're relentless with regard to churning out positive rushing yardage via the running backs, controlling the ball, and getting first downs. Over the course of these six games, here are the first down differentials between NE and their opponents: +14, +4, +4, +13, +9, and +5. 

Bottom line: it's a dominant, game-altering running game right now regardless of the ypc. We shouldn't assume it isn't based on a somewhat deceiving ypc.  The very large number of carries per game speaks to it as well. To quote Josef Stalin, "quantity has a quality all its own."

 

Finally, if you want to look at all of the games, they have one truly wacky outlier: the Tampa Bay game. They threw it 42 times and only ran it 8 times for -1 yards. That's right: negative 1 yards total.

Edited December 3, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Nextmanup]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I'm going to push back a little on what you say about the NE run game. Let's look at their production in their 6-game winning streak (carries-yards-rushing TDs):

 

32-148-4 (long of 32)

39-142-1 (long of 14)

39-151-1 (long of 16)

34-184-2 (long of 22)

30-134-0 (long of 21)

24-105-1 (long of 19)

 

That is a ton of rushes per game and really big rushing numbers too (144 yards per game). Now the ypc over that stretch may not sound like much -- 4.36 -- but they're not getting breakaway runs that skew the stats. (They have one run that went longer than 22 yards, and 32 is hardly a ypc-skewer anyway.)  And they have 12 kneeldowns for -14 yards. Take those away, and you're magically at 4.72 ypc over this stretch. And there are also no long QB scrambles that are skewing the numbers either--Jones ran for 42 yards over those six games, with a high of 19 yards total vs. the Jets.

 

My point is that they're relentless with regard to churning out positive yardage via the RB game, controlling the ball, and getting first downs. Over the course of these six games, here are the first down differentials between NE and their opponents: +14, +4, +4, +13, +9, and +5. 

Bottom line: it's a dominant, game-altering running game right now regardless of the ypc. We shouldn't assume it isn't based on a somewhat deceiving ypc. 

Patriots are going to pound the rock and throw 3-5 yard dump-off passes all night long, and dare us to stop that.

 

If we cheat up in the box, Jones will then pick mercilessly on whoever BB thinks is the absolute WORST of our substitute def. backs.

 

We have to be prepared for the their trickery!

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

The spotlight is on Jones. 
with all the hubbub on how good he is -

 

Now he’s got to perform against THE best defense in the NFL

 

Someone Tweet that to the Bills PR team

 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

does this mean there will be a surprise Prediction in the predict the score thread??

 

No need to worry about old faithful.  The prediction is already in

[marky]

14 hours ago, RiotAct said:

they should have shown a collage of Belichick, Kraft, and Tedy Bruschi instead of MJ10. 

 

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soWe going !!!ON!!! uttahs pee !!!PULLS!!! boardz nowz huh ??? ??? ???

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aahhh ite

[transplantbillsfan]

OP I see you started this thread late last night.

 

Was Whiskey involved?

 

I ask not because I disagree.  This just seems uncharacteristically fiery for you.

[Virgil]

10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

OP I see you started this thread late last night.

 

Was Whiskey involved?

 

I ask not because I disagree.  This just seems uncharacteristically fiery for you.

 

We all go a little mad sometimes

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 hours ago, Paulus said:

It's all propaganda. 

it really is...the media is in so deep on this bucs vs pats potential superbowl storyline being a huge draw through the last half of the season and they are pushing it as hard as humanly possible.  i still dont believe the pats are one of the best teams in the afc but they will certainly have their shot to prove me wrong monday night lol  Feels very much like when they hyped up the 2020 Dolphins who were forcing absurd amounts of turnovers and destroying mediocre teams but I could definitely be wrong 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bills fans all the time:

 

 

[John from Riverside]

I kinda like being the underdog

[mannc]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

During the Thursday night game, they showed a graphic of upcoming big games for the rest of the week.  
 

They showed 4 games side by side with their comic book drawing players above each matchup. Each matchup showed a pic of their “star” player of the matchup. 
 

They had the Ravens game (vs Pittsburg) with Lamar, The Chiefs (vs the Broncos) with Mahomes, and the Cardinals (vs the Bears) with Murray. 
 

For the Bills vs Pats game, they had Mac ***** Jones.  Are you kidding me?  That fat piece of ***** rookie is considered the star quarterback of that game?  
 

Okay, now I’m pissed. I hope Allen destroys them and does other things I can’t talk about because I will get banned.  I knew the media was on the Pats junk, but that’s just ridiculous. 

 

Nobody believes in us!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I agree that the Patriots hype has reached barely stomachable levels here.

 

I feel like we go right after the Patriots and Mac Jones.

 

The interesting aspect will be can we get real pressure on Jones? Not just the Epenesa style hurries, but actual contact and him hitting the ground. 

[The 9 Isles]

I think these networks and websites have learned they get more engagement on their posts or ads when they piss off Bills fans. This is why you get this stuff happening. 
 

Bills fans go nuts whenever someone or something slights or disrespects anything Bills related, especially when messing with Josh Allen. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

Nobody believes in us!

We were Super Bowl favorites a few weeks ago. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We were Super Bowl favorites a few weeks ago. 

Lol I know right...Some headlines were, "can anyone defeat the Bills". Then the Jags game happened 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

You could have just stayed here and heard the same thing!

 

Well, yes but....let it be said, I do put more weight in Chris Simms opinions than most of us here

[Marv's Neighbor]

Don't like it any more than anyone else BUT the Cheatriots are in 1st place.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I'm going to push back a little on what you say about the NE run game. Let's look at their production in their 6-game winning streak (carries-yards-rushing TDs):

 

32-148-4 (long of 32)

39-142-1 (long of 14)

39-151-1 (long of 16)

34-184-2 (long of 22)

30-134-0 (long of 21)

24-105-1 (long of 19)

 

That is a ton of rushes per game and really big rushing numbers too (144 yards per game). Now the ypc over that stretch may not sound like much -- 4.36 -- but they're not getting breakaway runs that skew the stats. (They have one run that went longer than 22 yards, and 32 is hardly a ypc-skewer anyway.)  And they have 12 kneeldowns for -14 yards. Take those away, and you're magically at 4.72 ypc over this stretch. Moreover, there are also no long QB scrambles that are skewing the numbers either--Jones ran for 42 yards over those six games, with a high of 19 yards total vs. the Jets.

 

My point is that they're relentless with regard to churning out positive rushing yardage via the running backs, controlling the ball, and getting first downs. Over the course of these six games, here are the first down differentials between NE and their opponents: +14, +4, +4, +13, +9, and +5. 

Bottom line: it's a dominant, game-altering running game right now regardless of the ypc. We shouldn't assume it isn't based on a somewhat deceiving ypc.  The very large number of carries per game speaks to it as well. To quote Josef Stalin, "quantity has a quality all its own."

 

Finally, if you want to look at all of the games, they have one truly wacky outlier: the Tampa Bay game. They threw it 42 times and only ran it 8 times for -1 yards. That's right: negative 1 yards total.

 

Good post. and good point on the consistent, positive rushing yards and the ball control offense.

 

My point was that where I think the Bills struggle most, in stopping the run, is with stopping an elite RB such as King Henry, or Jonathan Taylor (whom Poyer described as the hardest to tackle).  Both of them are right at the top of the Next Gen Stats Fastest Ball Carriers list, and they're beasts too, especially Henry at 6'3" 247.

 

Let me see if I can articulate what I perceive.  Coach McDermott might disagree, but by and large, I would say the Bills have a "skills" defense.  It's based on everyone doing their 1-11th, being in the right place at the right time and doing their job.  But 1:1 with a physical freak like Taylor or Henry, we struggle - they can break tackles on us, Hyde can have perfect position and perfect form on an open field tackle and Henry can knock him flat and run over him.  And one miss, one bad angle, and they're gone.  We don't have the speed to run them down.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm taking the Pats run game lightly.  I think Harris and Stevenson are talented backs running behind a strong OL on well-designed plays.   But they're guys that we can manage if our defense plays technically sound defense within our scheme.

 

Minor nit but I think NFL charting calls a run >20 yds "long".

[Putin]

18 hours ago, Virgil said:

During the Thursday night game, they showed a graphic of upcoming big games for the rest of the week.  
 

They showed 4 games side by side with their comic book drawing players above each matchup. Each matchup showed a pic of their “star” player of the matchup. 
 

They had the Ravens game (vs Pittsburg) with Lamar, The Chiefs (vs the Broncos) with Mahomes, and the Cardinals (vs the Bears) with Murray. 
 

For the Bills vs Pats game, they had Mac ***** Jones.  Are you kidding me?  That fat piece of ***** rookie is considered the star quarterback of that game?  
 

Okay, now I’m pissed. I hope Allen destroys them and does other things I can’t talk about because I will get banned.  I knew the media was on the Pats junk, but that’s just ridiculous. 

 

Well it is a comic book so , but I agree I hope Josh makes the pats his BIAAAAATCHES 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Putin

[Your Brown Eye]

 

 

[BigDingus]

Guys... 

 

I don't know how many times this has to be proven, but the more you win, the more credit you get! 

Crazy concept, I know... but the Bills were getting TONS of love & the benefit of the doubt nearly every game, even after losing at home to the Steelers to kick off the season. Then we lost to the 1 win Jaguars & got blown the hell out at home against the Colts...meanwhile the Pats go on a 6 game win streak & take the division lead. 

Even still, plenty of people are picking the Bills to win this game. Despite all evidence suggesting this is the Pats' game to lose, people still are basing predictions off what the more flashy things they've seen the Bills do last year & this season. 

Teams EARN their benefit of the doubt over time. The Pats have had 1 down year without Brady, now seemingly got it together. Of course the media is going to credit the two-decade division leaders as soon as they can. Of course a team that is 3-3 in its last 6 games & choked away the division lead is going to be doubted. 

 

When we were cruising, there were posts with people saying it felt weird to get all the love & always be the favorite! It didn't feel right to not be the underdog anymore! Well now here we are, looking up at the Pats, and now fans are mad we aren't the runaway favorites?

 

If we lose this game like many expect, what then? Should we still be favored every game afterwards?? You going to be furious when Josh Allen isn't mentioned in the MVP conversation? If Allen turns the ball over a ton, are you going to scream every time an announcer slobbers over an opposing QB like Brady in our upcoming games? 

The Bills have to earn that benefit of the doubt again. They still have a lot of it tucked away in the bank, and plenty of people still believe the Bills will win Monday night. But that won't last long if we keep going win, loss, win, loss, win, loss...

[Albwan]

New sheriff in town...in first place no less, Josh starting to look shaky...I dunno... seems legit

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Albwan

[Jerome007]

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You think you're mad now, wait till Monday night when every flag goes against us.

I don't have total paranoia... but I do feel like many penalties against the Bills are somehow not shown with replays when facing this particular team...

[PatsFanNH]

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Not at all shocking. They've been washing his balls for 2 weeks. He's officially annointed himself the next Brady with this arrogant MJ10 nonsense. Josh should be insulted.  You think you're mad now, wait till Monday night when every flag goes against us.

Lol he went and copy writes a lot of things not jus MJ10. He just doesn’t want people profiting off him without him getting his money. That’s just being smart. 

[ganesh]

18 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

You would think that at least 1 Bills player watched the game and saw this.  If any Bills player saw this you best believe its going straight to the locker room and right to Josh Allen.  For better,or worse.

I don't think players care that much on what is shown on TV!

 

They have to prove it on the field.

[nedboy7]

Here chew on this....

 

The Patriots keep giving us reasons to think they're one of the best teams in the NFL. They've won six in a row and by at least 18 points in five of those. And overall, they lead the NFL with a point differential of plus-144. It's additionally wild that this has all come with rookie quarterback Mac Jones, who is playing well but isn't among the league's top 10 in Total QBR. Amazingly, at least to some, the Patriots can begin the process of locking down the AFC East in Week 13 when they travel to Buffalo. FPI doesn't like their chances of winning the division, much less earning home-field advantage, but they're all legitimate possibilities for the Patriots.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I don't think players care that much on what is shown on TV!

 

They have to prove it on the field.

I agree with you. The only elites that would motivate them would be from the other team OR if they heard constantly “they are done” which the Bills haven’t.  Imo the pressure is squarely on the Bills.  NO ONE expected the Pats be fighting for the division and a loss just prove they need a couple more pieces. (Like a #1 WR or a another good CB) meanwhile if the Pats win, then the talk of “what happened to the Bills” starts.

 

Your at home with the better WR and QB on Monday night.. of the two QBs who would be roasted harder for having an off night? Allen or Jones?  If Diggs ends the night with 2 20 yards 0 TDs or Bourne has the same which one is called out on message boards and ESPN?

 

exactly and the Bills know it thus the pressure.

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Here chew on this....

 

The Patriots keep giving us reasons to think they're one of the best teams in the NFL. They've won six in a row and by at least 18 points in five of those. And overall, they lead the NFL with a point differential of plus-144. It's additionally wild that this has all come with rookie quarterback Mac Jones, who is playing well but isn't among the league's top 10 in Total QBR. Amazingly, at least to some, the Patriots can begin the process of locking down the AFC East in Week 13 when they travel to Buffalo. FPI doesn't like their chances of winning the division, much less earning home-field advantage, but they're all legitimate possibilities for the Patriots.

The Bills are the more talented team. Now will the more disciplined team (Pats among fewest penalties in 12 games) beat the other who is less disciplined (Bills top 4 when you take only 11 games played). We don’t know,  hopefully it’s a stub and good game.

[JoPoy88]

Imagine being this BIG mad about something the graphics dept at fox sports cooked up. How ridiculous.

[SinceThe70s]

39 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I agree with you. The only elites that would motivate them would be from the other team OR if they heard constantly “they are done” which the Bills haven’t.  Imo the pressure is squarely on the Bills.  NO ONE expected the Pats be fighting for the division and a loss just prove they need a couple more pieces. (Like a #1 WR or a another good CB) meanwhile if the Pats win, then the talk of “what happened to the Bills” starts.

 

Your at home with the better WR and QB on Monday night.. of the two QBs who would be roasted harder for having an off night? Allen or Jones?  If Diggs ends the night with 2 20 yards 0 TDs or Bourne has the same which one is called out on message boards and ESPN?

 

exactly and the Bills know it thus the pressure.

 

 

I'm legit trying to understand your thought process.  You start with agreeing with @ganesh:

 

"I don't think players care that much on what is shown on TV!

 

They have to prove it on the field."

 

But then you finish with the pressure being on the Bills because of what will be said on message boards and ESPN if they lose. Looks to me like you're playing both sides of the coin. 

 

What am I missing?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

21 hours ago, Virgil said:

During the Thursday night game, they showed a graphic of upcoming big games for the rest of the week.  
 

They showed 4 games side by side with their comic book drawing players above each matchup. Each matchup showed a pic of their “star” player of the matchup. 
 

They had the Ravens game (vs Pittsburg) with Lamar, The Chiefs (vs the Broncos) with Mahomes, and the Cardinals (vs the Bears) with Murray. 
 

For the Bills vs Pats game, they had Mac ***** Jones.  Are you kidding me?  That fat piece of ***** rookie is considered the star quarterback of that game?  
 

Okay, now I’m pissed. I hope Allen destroys them and does other things I can’t talk about because I will get banned.  I knew the media was on the Pats junk, but that’s just ridiculous. 

 

 

Thats some BS right there, we are guaranteed to win now.

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

8 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

I'm legit trying to understand your thought process.  You start with agreeing with @ganesh:

 

"I don't think players care that much on what is shown on TV!

 

They have to prove it on the field."

 

But then you finish with the pressure being on the Bills because of what will be said on message boards and ESPN if they lose. Looks to me like you're playing both sides of the coin. 

 

What am I missing?

I am saying they would get motivation from a Patriot saying something like “we are going to smash them” or if the storyline for months was “they are to old” the Pats won the SB that year that was the big headline. (I know that because Brady mentioned it in the post game interview “not bad for old guys huh”

[SinceThe70s]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I am saying they would get motivation from a Patriot saying something like “we are going to smash them” or if the storyline for months was “they are to old” the Pats won the SB that year that was the big headline. (I know that because Brady mentioned it in the post game interview “not bad for old guys huh”

 

I'll leave it at I wish there was a confused emoji.

 

 

 

[Beerball]

22 hours ago, Virgil said:

During the Thursday night game, they showed a graphic of upcoming big games for the rest of the week.  
 

They showed 4 games side by side with their comic book drawing players above each matchup. Each matchup showed a pic of their “star” player of the matchup. 
 

They had the Ravens game (vs Pittsburg) with Lamar, The Chiefs (vs the Broncos) with Mahomes, and the Cardinals (vs the Bears) with Murray. 
 

For the Bills vs Pats game, they had Mac ***** Jones.  Are you kidding me?  That fat piece of ***** rookie is considered the star quarterback of that game?  
 

Okay, now I’m pissed. I hope Allen destroys them and does other things I can’t talk about because I will get banned.  I knew the media was on the Pats junk, but that’s just ridiculous. 

 

I am praying for you.

[BassToMouth]

On 12/2/2021 at 11:30 PM, sullim4 said:

FOX doesn't give a rat's behind about the AFC.

 

They see "Patriots***" and automatically assume that's the team that will win.  They would have put Newton up in that graphic last year.

Come on dude. The Pats have been garbage for a couple years and Josh has been a major star. Don’t give them that.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

This has to be Nick Wrong's dirty work.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Just get Josh Allen a vitamin line so we can also pay him under the table.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Virgil, you’re hangry. Have a snickers 😂

[The Red King]

It's not about ability.  It's about popularity.  What draws the most attention.

 

Anyone remember when Tebow hit cult status with the sports media?  This is no different.

 

Mac is the new shiny.  Should Buffalo make him look terrible, the media will move on.  It's what they do.