What the Bills need to do to beat the Pats...IMO

[wagne591]

On Offense:

We need to have the calm JA17 who does not push the ball down field and takes what the D gives him and let his playmakers do the work.  I think we should play a lot of 10 and 11 personnel sets and run the ball off those formations.  Two go long and medium and leave a couple short range every play early.  I think we should throw deep a couple times early even if the play isn't there and Josh throws it deep out of bounds intentionally I think that will scare the Pats into thinking we are scared to go deep. Then use the short passing game underneath crossing routs and sit in the zone reads to drive down the field.  I don't think we throw the ball enough to scare anyone from the other formations (i.e. 1 back and 2 TEs) 9 times out of 10 we are running the ball out of that formation.  I also think Knox and Beasley are a mismatch for anyone they can throw at them expect CB1 and maybe CB2 on the Pats and I think those two will have a field day.  

 

On Defense:

 

Its tough without Tre but I don't see the Bills D doing anything different.  I would like to see the D-line get their hands up more this game since Mac likes to throw short I think we can knock a couple balls down with the length we have on the line.  I also think the defenders need to exaggerate with they are getting held and unable to get their hands up because of it.  I think Ed Oliver needs to have a big game...the last month Ed has been on a tear but it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.  He is getting a lot of penetration up the middle making QB's scramble left or right and into the arms of Madison, Hughes, and others.  Even if it doesn't result in a sack the QB is flustered and it totally disrupts their timing.  And to be honest our Lines both of them need to man up and not play scared.  I don't understand what happened its not like we changed personnel and last year especially on D late in the season they played mean, we need that for the rest of the year.  Maybe losing Tre as crappy as this may sound, maybe the D will play as a unit with a chip on their shoulder with something to prove that Tre is 1/11 on Defense and not the whole D.  I believe in our boys, and this is the game that will put them back on the mat and in total control of the division.  

 

One last thing I said this in a thread last night...this game reminds me of the 49er's game on Monday night last year.  The game before the 9er's game Josh had a bad week against LAC and only threw for like 165 yards give or take (not his best) then he went on a tear to finish the season starting on Monday Night.  Hopefully history repeats itself.  

 

Message for JOSH....take what the D gives you and lets roll...yes everyone likes a big play here and there and you are sure capable of doing it...but winning is more fun at the end of the day.  Just win Baby!!!

[HamSandwhich]

We should be flooding the short and intermediate routes with 8 in the box to stop Macs passing game and to stop the run. Dare him to beat us deep. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by HamSandwhich

[Mike in Horseheads]

5 minutes ago, wagne591 said:

I think we should play a lot of 10 and 11 personnel sets and run the ball off those formations.

Umm Shouldn't we always have 11 players on the field?

[wagne591]

Just now, Mike in Horseheads said:

Umm Shouldn't we always have 11 players on the field?

Funny....I think you know what I mean....lol

[Sugar High JA17]

10 minutes ago, wagne591 said:

On Offense:

We need to have the calm JA17 who does not push the ball down field and takes what the D gives him and let his playmakers do the work.  I think we should play a lot of 10 and 11 personnel sets and run the ball off those formations.  Two go long and medium and leave a couple short range every play early.  I think we should throw deep a couple times early even if the play isn't there and Josh throws it deep out of bounds intentionally I think that will scare the Pats into thinking we are scared to go deep. Then use the short passing game underneath crossing routs and sit in the zone reads to drive down the field.  I don't think we throw the ball enough to scare anyone from the other formations (i.e. 1 back and 2 TEs) 9 times out of 10 we are running the ball out of that formation.  I also think Knox and Beasley are a mismatch for anyone they can throw at them expect CB1 and maybe CB2 on the Pats and I think those two will have a field day.  

 

On Defense:

 

Its tough without Tre but I don't see the Bills D doing anything different.  I would like to see the D-line get their hands up more this game since Mac likes to throw short I think we can knock a couple balls down with the length we have on the line.  I also think the defenders need to exaggerate with they are getting held and unable to get their hands up because of it.  I think Ed Oliver needs to have a big game...the last month Ed has been on a tear but it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.  He is getting a lot of penetration up the middle making QB's scramble left or right and into the arms of Madison, Hughes, and others.  Even if it doesn't result in a sack the QB is flustered and it totally disrupts their timing.  And to be honest our Lines both of them need to man up and not play scared.  I don't understand what happened its not like we changed personnel and last year especially on D late in the season they played mean, we need that for the rest of the year.  Maybe losing Tre as crappy as this may sound, maybe the D will play as a unit with a chip on their shoulder with something to prove that Tre is 1/11 on Defense and not the whole D.  I believe in our boys, and this is the game that will put them back on the mat and in total control of the division.  

 

One last thing I said this in a thread last night...this game reminds me of the 49er's game on Monday night last year.  The game before the 9er's game Josh had a bad week against LAC and only threw for like 165 yards give or take (not his best) then he went on a tear to finish the season starting on Monday Night.  Hopefully history repeats itself.  

 

Message for JOSH....take what the D gives you and lets roll...yes everyone likes a big play here and there and you are sure capable of doing it...but winning is more fun at the end of the day.  Just win Baby!!!

Josh message is spot on!

[Dablitzkrieg]

You should put that here...

 

 

[Augie]

26 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Umm Shouldn't we always have 11 players on the field?

 

The Patriots* seem to get away with a lot of 12 personnel. I’m not even surprised any more. 

[Hebert19]

33 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

We should be flooding the short and intermediate routes with 8 in the box to stop Macs passing game and to stop the run. Dare him to beat us deep. 

This.  With up to 50mph gusts we stack the box and jam receivers and attack.  Keep Hyde or poyer deep or both and just go after him. 

[marky]

We need to burst Belichick's ear drum from crowd noise.

[Blank Stare]

I could be completely wrong here, but I don’t worry about Josh just taking what the defense gives him against a Belly defense. If you recall, this is the team where Josh had that really bad interception game earlier in his career and had an epiphany about trying to do too much. I don’t know whether it results in a win or not, but I think Josh knows (and McD, Daboll, and Dorsey will drill him on it) to take what’s there against this team. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

This.  With up to 50mph gusts we stack the box and jam receivers and attack.  Keep Hyde or poyer deep or both and just go after him. 

that's the forecast?  OMG

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

This.  With up to 50mph gusts we stack the box and jam receivers and attack.  Keep Hyde or poyer deep or both and just go after him. 

I agree.  Be aggressive on defense.  Jones is still a rookie.  Get in his face and force him to get rid of the ball early.  Blitz Taron Johnson off the slot.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

This.  With up to 50mph gusts we stack the box and jam receivers and attack.  Keep Hyde or poyer deep or both and just go after him. 

 

46 minutes ago, klos63 said:

that's the forecast?  OMG

 

No, it's not the forecast.  I don't know where these guys are getting this stuff. 

Here's weather.com.  26 degrees is the overnight low, should be in the 30's at game time.

 

Here's Weather Underground:

 

The point here is that there's likely to be some poor weather moving through, and at this point 5 days from kickoff the models are not gonna be accurate enough.  It could move faster, it could move slower

[DQW87]

We need to dominate them in every facit of the game and let them know this division is not going to be theirs fora long long time. 

[John from Riverside]

We can’t constantly get be on our line of scrimmages on office in Defense and expect to win the game that is our Achilles’ heel and this team needs to recognize it and show up

[Da webster guy]

Yeah temp forecasts 5 days out can be fairly close but precip and especially wind very difficult to predict.  Unless there's a big system moving through the wind generally settles as the sun sets, a sustained wind over 15mph is unlikely at night.

 

It won't matter because we'll be warmed by the pure joy of beating these chumps.

[NewEra]

Sweeeeeeet!!!!  Just what we needed!   “Hey guys, look at me create yet another pats thread!!” 

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

Latest  from Patrick Hammer at WGRZ ...  Let's go 'American Model' as Howard Simon tweeted.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by BillsFanThru-N-Thru

[sunshynman]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We can’t constantly get be on our line of scrimmages on office in Defense and expect to win the game that is our Achilles’ heel and this team needs to recognize it and show up

Is there a translation available? 

[TAinLack.]

33 minutes ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

Latest  from Patrick Hammer at WGRZ ...  Let's go 'American Model' as Howard Simon tweeted.

 

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Well at least the Patriots can't do this here!!

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by TAinLA
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[Haslett_Stomp]

14 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

We should be flooding the short and intermediate routes with 8 in the box to stop Macs passing game and to stop the run. Dare him to beat us deep. 

 

^ this.  That said, I have a feeling Stevenson is going to have a big game for the Pats.  I hope I am wrong.

[LABILLBACKER]

Unfortunately no matter how well we play, this game will be in the hands of the refs. Brace yourself now for multiple terrible calls that go against us. You can set your watch to it.

[WhoTom]

14 hours ago, Augie said:

 

The Patriots* seem to get away with a lot of 12 personnel. I’m not even surprised any more. 

 

Eleven players and the referee.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

No one thought of score more points than them yet?

[FilthyBeast]

15 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

We should be flooding the short and intermediate routes with 8 in the box to stop Macs passing game and to stop the run. Dare him to beat us deep. 

 

Don't be surprised if this is the game where Mac Jones does in fact light it up downfield especially given the ill timed loss of White on this defense and Belichik being one step ahead and anticipating this type of strategy from Frazier and McD.

 

Patriots don't have near the talent the Bills do at WR but they have a few guys that can get that type of separation and both their TE's are capable of some big seam type of plays down the middle especially Henry who showed that with the Chargers.

[Philly McButterpants]

15 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

We should be flooding the short and intermediate routes with 8 in the box to stop Macs passing game and to stop the run. Dare him to beat us deep. 

This - if the kid beats you, then hats off to him.  But i don't think he can - so make him do it.

[CSBill]

34 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Unfortunately no matter how well we play, this game will be in the hands of the refs. Brace yourself now for multiple terrible calls that go against us. You can set your watch to it.

 

An early entry for the Game Day thread.

[YattaOkasan]

 Disagree with the OP. We need 12 and 21 personnel. Get diggs isolated so they have to either commit to stopping him or the run. I also expect Allen to be a big part of the running game. Fun things I found last night on pro football reference, we have the highest number of play action pass attempts and we are pretty efficient (> 10 YPA).  Josh under center with lots of Sweeney and Gilliam makes us our most versatile. 
 

defense I think has been mentioned but press coverage probably cover 1 robber to put an extra guy in the box for the run.  Also would expect a good bit of cover 3 to again put another player in the box. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by YattaOkasan

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Don't be surprised if this is the game where Mac Jones does in fact light it up downfield especially given the ill timed loss of White on this defense and Belichik being one step ahead and anticipating this type of strategy from Frazier and McD.

 

Patriots don't have near the talent the Bills do at WR but they have a few guys that can get that type of separation and both their TE's are capable of some big seam type of plays down the middle especially Henry who showed that with the Chargers.

I’m not afraid

[KGun12TD]

I really thought you were going to say "We should score more points". Oh well.😛

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Don't be surprised if this is the game where Mac Jones does in fact light it up downfield especially given the ill timed loss of White on this defense and Belichik being one step ahead and anticipating this type of strategy from Frazier and McD.

 

Patriots don't have near the talent the Bills do at WR but they have a few guys that can get that type of separation and both their TE's are capable of some big seam type of plays down the middle especially Henry who showed that with the Chargers.

 

Mac Jones...  more of a dunker and dinker... not as strong-armed as Josh...   in a cold, windy stadium...  against a good pass D (even without Tre)...  against a front four that proficient at pressuring QBs...    It just doesn't seem to add up to a game where Mac 'lights it up downfield.'   

 

But who knows?  

[hondo in seattle]

54 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

I’m not afraid

 

I'm with you, brother.  

 

I was afraid once when a drugged out kid tried to gut me with his knife... and again when enemy mortar rounds were being fired upon me in the desert and there was nothing much I could do about it... and again when I had to rappel down a rocky cliff - I don't like heights...   

 

But I won't be afraid Monday night when I sit in the comfort of my home, eating wings, watching the Bills - even as I acknowledge the possibility that they may lose.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I still believe that this is a fundamentals game. Bills need to stay even with Pats in regards to turnovers, penalties, missed tackles, assignments, blocks etc. We do that and we will win.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Mango]

A few things that I think doesn't get enough credit on the board this week: 

The Pats defense has been statistically phenomenal. On paper they have been dominant. They are the secret sauce to Mac Jones, who basically does a bit more than "enough". The Pats have one of the best starting field positions in the league, and their opponents have one of the worst. They don't allow many points and create a ton of turn overs. 

The Pats offense is remarkably efficient. Mac Jones sucks throwing deep, but they are good enough underneath that it has not been a deterrent to their success. The Pats are second in the league in drive time and % of drives ending in points. 50%. Buffalo was 2nd in the league last year with 44% for reference, we are top 10 at the moment at 40% now. 

 

The Pats are winning games by keeping you off the field and scoring almost every time they have the ball with a short field. I don't think our defensive game plan is my worry this week. Buffalo cannot afford to have any stalled out drives. They have to score points when and where they can get them and try and force NE and Co. to play catch up/keep up, which is not necessarily their wheelhouse. But that is a tough ask of any team against that NE defense. 

[FilthyBeast]

48 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Mac Jones...  more of a dunker and dinker... not as strong-armed as Josh...   in a cold, windy stadium...  against a good pass D (even without Tre)...  against a front four that proficient at pressuring QBs...    It just doesn't seem to add up to a game where Mac 'lights it up downfield.'   

 

But who knows?  

 

Not saying it's going to happen but I would suspect that regardless of the weather conditions Belichik and McDaniel will dial up some shots if anything to test Dane Jackson just like every other team is going to do going forward.

 

But my premise is that Belichik knows we are going to try and stack the line and sit on all the short screens and routes the Pats love running so he'll have a plan to do opposite of what's expected and realistically it's probably run the ball down this teams throat like the Colts did and the Pats did last year in the game in Buffalo that they almost won in the final minutes if not for the Newton fumble that Zimmer recovered.

[Boatdrinks]

Umm, Score more points than the Patriots ? Kidding, but not really. To achieve victory, they must follow this script:

 

Don’t turn the ball over 

don’t commit Pf’s or pre snap penalties 
form tackling 

swarm to the ball

Thats about it. If they do this, the Bills will win the game. 

 

[TC in St. Louis]

I just watched an NFL show on ESPN, and all the analysts agree that Bill Bellichick's defense is incomprehensible and dominant, and the Bills are screwed.  Then I remembered that the Bills have a pretty good defense too, and wondered if they even know that.  I'd play clips like that for our defense as an example that, despite their achievements, they're considered nothing compared to the Patriots defense.

 

This might be a game where the players run right through those schemes and take care of business.  

[Einstein's Dog]

I don't like the idea of thinking you come out dinking and dunking.  That's the Pats* game plan.

 

One team has a QB that can fire 25 yard lasers that can travel through 15mph winds like a knife through butter, and the other team doesn't.  Lets make sure they are selling out to stop those lasers.  Then we can proceed to march down the field with Beas and Knox.

[Weatherman]

19 hours ago, klos63 said:

that's the forecast?  OMG

No…looks to be gusts in the 30MPH range with snow flurries (Lake effect off of Lake Erie) 

[Just in Atlanta]

Step 1: Limit penalties and have no turnovers

Step 2: Bring the the linebackers and secondary closer to the LOS with a healthy dose of Breida to the outside

Step 3: Exploit the middle with Beasley/Knox on quick plays

Step 4: Wait — patiently — for the deep plays to open for Diggs

Step 5: Keep on doing great things in the secondary

Step 6: Remind Mac Jones he’s a rookie near or at his ceiling.